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Convicted Child Molester Suing After Being Raped in Garfield County Jail[W:186]

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What kind of child rapist was he?
The 18 year old banging his 16 year old girl friend that he has already been ****ing for years or the more egregious kind?
 
Yeah, but we as a culture do put child murderers and rapists on the bottom of the criminal heap. If you reported on the rapist in this story without mentioning the victim then the narrative would be about a criminal continuing his crime spree in prison. I think even knowing the crimes of the perpetrator wouldn't change the impression most would get once they learned the crimes of the victim, though. It starts to sound more like an episode of DEXTER.
Yes we do put child murderers and rapists on the bottom of the criminal heap.

Here is the point though, from the sense of fair play and justice, is there ever a time we as a society can support violence being done to an individual who is under our care and in vulnerable situation? I don't believe so, I say unequivocally, no. Neither do I think we can look at the past of that individual and make that a justification for violence done to him.

To me, it has to be clear that we as a society do not condone such action. Therefore I can not condone such action.

I personally do not believe our criminal sentencing should be an act of revenge. Punishment yes, reform yes, revenge...no.
 
It is unlikely that this suit will go anywhere UNLESS it can be proven that the state in some way facilitated the assault.

Think about the can of worms it opens if someone were to successfully sue because something bad happened to them in prison.

The flip side to this is of course...the chutzpah that it takes to sue because someone committed a violent sexual act against you when you are in prison for committing a violent sexual act...
 
What kind of child rapist was he?
The 18 year old banging his 16 year old girl friend that he has already been ****ing for years or the more egregious kind?
I dont know that you will find that a crime in any state in the country but certainly not most states. The concept of 'Statutory rape' isnt necessarily what people think it is. Most states have age of consent laws that begin at 15 and up pertaining to people within a certain age range(though some have them starting even younger. Pennsylvania is I believe 13). Virtually impossible to be jailed for 10 years on a statutory charge (though I have seen some weird individual cases).
 
The fact that you think a prison should work like this makes me sick.

He was also a prison guard. Yeah, so maybe people like him shouldn't be prison guards.
 
Who said anything about fun? Do you think cages are fun? Do you think having your actions controlled by others is fun? Exactly what do you think is fun about prison? I suggest that there is no excuse to not protect prisoners from rape and you honestly think I'm promoting prisons be fun? Is being against prison rape somehow lead to carnival rides for prisoners?

Only death row inmates are kept in cages, 23 hours a day. I already know you aren't proposing that we treat all inmates like death row inmates.
 
Only death row inmates are kept in cages, 23 hours a day. I already know you aren't proposing that we treat all inmates like death row inmates.

What does that have to do with my argument? When did I say they were cages all day long?
 
**** that child molesting piece of scum...... Wait...... They already did. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Article is here.

Seems that fake isn't without a sense of irony. Not that I'm glad that this happened, but I'm far from broke up about it.

I wonder, if in front of the right activist judge, he's not going to get some sort of compensation, but, if he's in prison, how's he going to collect? Or is it going to wait for him to be released from prison?
 
It is unlikely that this suit will go anywhere UNLESS it can be proven that the state in some way facilitated the assault.

Think about the can of worms it opens if someone were to successfully sue because something bad happened to them in prison.

The flip side to this is of course...the chutzpah that it takes to sue because someone committed a violent sexual act against you when you are in prison for committing a violent sexual act...

The prison is responsible for what happens in their walls and should be held accountable for it. Just because they fail so hard that it would hurt if prisoners held them accountable doesn't mean anything towards the facts.
 
But you still have to grapple with the fundamental point, is Prison a place where denial of freedom is enough of a punishment, or is rape suppose to be part of that punishment.

I don't agree that prison should be roses, but the American system in particular is poorly run and funded and countries with less harsh prison systems such as the Scandinavian countries have a far lower rate of return guests because of it.

American prisons turn small time criminals that could be rehabilitated into hardened criminals because of conditions but now I'm getting off point.

The point is if we make rape permissible as part of the prison system, then we are essentially sentencing someone to rape as a punishment for their crimes which is cruel and unusual punishment which goes against the constitution.

You are 100% correct.

But, I'll be damned if I can muster up an ounce of sympathy for a child rapist.
 
**** that child molesting piece of scum...... Wait...... They already did. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Article is here.

I can see this lawsuit working out, I've wondered when it would come about. Essentially an inmate could sue for any of the multitude of dangers in prison that comes from our broken system. Is it right? Will it win out? Don't know, but I would prepare for a whole army of various lawsuits.
 
Wait. I thought that was the whole point. If you are convicted of molesting a child you get raped in jail or prison. Is that not how it is supposed to work?

No, that is not how it works. Torture, rape, murder, etc. are not part, nor should be part, of the prison system.
 
I can see this lawsuit working out, I've wondered when it would come about. Essentially an inmate could sue for any of the multitude of dangers in prison that comes from our broken system. Is it right? Will it win out? Don't know, but I would prepare for a whole army of various lawsuits.

I want to be a lawyer so bad right now. I would have so much fun holding prisons responsible.
 
A child molester getting ****ed in ass, against his will, while he's in prison for, child molesting, sounds purdy right to me. ;)

That's not part of civilized punishment, that's backwater revenge. Revenge is not to be part of our judicial system.
 
I want to be a lawyer so bad right now. I would have so much fun holding prisons responsible.

And our prison system is, for the most part, private. You could get after corporations with very deep pockets as well.
 
That's not part of civilized punishment, that's backwater revenge. Revenge is not to be part of our judicial system.

Punishment isn't necessarily meant to be, "civilized".
 
The fact that someone is so spineless towards criminals makes me laugh.

The fact that someone is so spineless towards the principles of the Republic makes me sad.
 
Punishment isn't necessarily meant to be, "civilized".

But it is in an advanced and civilized society such as our own. We don't do cruel and unusual punishments in America. Revenge is not part of Justice.
 
The prison is responsible for what happens in their walls and should be held accountable for it. Just because they fail so hard that it would hurt if prisoners held them accountable doesn't mean anything towards the facts.
Unless intentional negligence can be proven, how is a prison any mor eliable than say, the DOD for sexual assaults that occur on military installations or on boats? Or colleges? Or really ANYWHERE? Just as lawsuits have been declined because police forces arent in place to prevent crimes, I dont know that beyond reasonable measures, prisons are or should be considered any different.
 
I can see this lawsuit working out, I've wondered when it would come about. Essentially an inmate could sue for any of the multitude of dangers in prison that comes from our broken system. Is it right? Will it win out? Don't know, but I would prepare for a whole army of various lawsuits.
True...especially if it is awarded. Imagine...kids getting bullied/hazed at schools. Those are all potential lawsuits. Oh...and Social Media...hellooooooooooooo lawsuits against Facebook...
 
Unless intentional negligence can be proven, how is a prison any mor eliable than say, the DOD for sexual assaults that occur on military installations or on boats? Or colleges? Or really ANYWHERE? Just as lawsuits have been declined because police forces arent in place to prevent crimes, I dont know that beyond reasonable measures, prisons are or should be considered any different.

Colleges get sued all the time, the deepest pockets get the lawsuits for better or for worse. Here the prison is on the line more than any other thing you mentioned because we put the people in prison by force and through force keep them there (which is all legitimate, not saying otherwise). Ultimately we put them there and we are responsible for their welfare. We cannot make prison a way around the death penalty, for instance. We are responsible for the health and well being of our prisoners.
 
True...especially if it is awarded. Imagine...kids getting bullied/hazed at schools. Those are all potential lawsuits. Oh...and Social Media...hellooooooooooooo lawsuits against Facebook...

Oh, it will all get super out of hand until we figure out how to control the system well enough and perhaps to man up a little bit.
 
That all depends on who those acts happen to.

Which makes you a moral subjectivist. Rape, sodomy, and all other manner of perverted acts can never be justified. You are no better than the rabid liberals who condone gay marriage.
 
But, I'll be damned if I can muster up an ounce of sympathy for a child rapist.

Well again I can't blame folks for feeling that way about this particular case, but I was touching on the broader issues with that stance.
 
Unless intentional negligence can be proven, how is a prison any mor eliable than say, the DOD for sexual assaults that occur on military installations or on boats? Or colleges? Or really ANYWHERE? Just as lawsuits have been declined because police forces arent in place to prevent crimes, I dont know that beyond reasonable measures, prisons are or should be considered any different.

Negligence does not need to be intentional.
 
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