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Hatuey said:

He was otherwise innocent in the eyes of the law. The police officer did in fact belong to a corrupt organization. Do you dispute those facts? Yes or no? I don't care about your life in Denver.

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In the eyes of the law, the Police Officer is also afforded the same consideration. Please don't burn down a city because you want to believe whatever fits the appropriate narrative.

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Soupnazi630 said:

Or it was on his clothes which the second ME did not have access to

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That is another weird thing about this second autopsy. When that autopsy was conducted Brown had already been embalmed and prepped for burial. How thoroughly was the body cleaned before that second autopsy?

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tres borrachos said:

The officer has no history of corruption. In America we don't play the "guilt by association" game.

The cop is also innocent right now. Constitution and all that. You've declared him guilty and Brown innocent. That's all well and good, but why don't we let the justice system decide?

There has been corruption in our Federal government, among some elected reps, and some employees. By your logic, everyone in the Federal government is guilty of something.

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That's the phrase I was looking for. Hatuey thinks he can make the ridiculous assumption of guilt by association.

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Fenton said:

Judging by the video footage of the strong arm robbery it looks like the victim and the witness were a little corrupt too.

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Were they now? When is the arrest for Dorian Johnson? That's right. It isn't.

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tres borrachos said:

There has been corruption in our Federal government, among some elected reps, and some employees. By your logic, everyone in the Federal government is guilty of something.

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We are. I am guilty of retiring. Now I am guilty of living in the mountains and doing whatever I damn well please.

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Hatuey said:

And yet, the organization which represents him does. That makes their reports as inadmissible as the friend's statement.

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Nonsense. Do some research on the US justice system before making such ridiculous statements.

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NonoBadDog said:

We are. I am guilty of retiring. Now I am guilty of living in the mountains and doing whatever I damn well please.

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Hey, the punishment sounds good.

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Hatuey said:

And yet, the organization which represents him does. That makes their reports as inadmissible as the friend's statement.

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Are you disputing the plausibility of the version of events though? It's remarkably consistent with the store footage and preliminary autopsy. Much more so than the other witness testimonies

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Caine said:

What evidence do you have that he had his hands up?

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I read it in the news reports.

What evidence do you have that he didn't have his hands up?

Fill us in.

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dirtpoorchris said:

THen why would the shots be on the inside of teh bicep and the palm? Seems more likely to be from a guy down on his belly, propped on his elbows with his hands up. When I run my arms cross to the center of my body with my elbows pointing out more than my hands.

Also everyone seems to be ignoring the shot that went through his eye, out of teh bottom of his jaw and into his collar bone. That cant happen standing up.

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The shots are consistent with a man running as in raising and lowering his arms.

The head wounds expecially so as I have demonstrated and proven very clearly that people tend to run bent over somewhat and lower the head presenting the top of their head.

The officer never said he was standing up but running toward him.

Some supposed witnesses agree with the officer some supposed witnesses do not. The medical evidence is most consistent with his claim. Other supposed witnesses against this officer have claimed Brown was running away. Throw them out because the shots all hit the front none entered the back. Some have claimed he was kneeling. HAve to throw them out because of the medical evidence once again. STanding with is hands up facing Wilson is also inconsistent with the medical evidence.

The only way to make the scenario fit the evidence is if as you have said Wilson were laying prone with his head toward the officer. The problem there is none of the witnesses gave any such description and like any other case you need the witnesses who'se description best fits the evidence.

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shrubnose said:

I read it in the news reports.

What evidence do you have that he didn't have his hands up?

Fill us in.

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Charging the Police officer with your hands up is a bit of a contradiction. According to a cell phone recording he turned back towards the officer and ran towards him.

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Looks more and more like this kid charged the cop and got exactly what he deserved.

And when that decision is rendered, and media really starts playing it up a la Trayvon Martin, it's going to get uglier.

This is really making the black community in Ferguson look horrible, and the media even worse.

Nationally, people are disgusted by both. And Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson trying to stoke the fires further..........wow, this is not going to play well.

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Excon said:

That isn't what happened, so you are speaking nonsense.

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You weren't there, Mr. Excon, so you don't know any more than I know, And you could know a lot less.

My sources might be more accurate than your sources.




In the long run, only the decision of a court will matter in this case.

Stay tuned.

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Hatuey said:

Were they now? When is the arrest for Dorian Johnson? That's right. It isn't.

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Do you not know the evidence concerning him too?
He has a criminal history, but in this instance, when Brown handed him a box if cigars to take, he placed them back on the counter and is reported to have said, "I don't steal".

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vesper said:

What was so wrong with releasing the video of Brown involved in a strong arm robbery after days of media coverage depicting Brown as this saintly "gentle giant". Where countless reports in the media reporting he was shot in the back by a white cop? Or other eyewitness accounts that stated he had surrendered and the white cop ruthlessly gunned him down. This became the clarion call for the race baiters like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and social welfare groups to ratchet up the rhetoric and whip the people into a frenzy on the basis of what appears to be lies as evidence is collected and forensics experts have a chance to do their job. The only people who had a problem with the video being released are those who wanted the story of Brown to be a "gentle giant" shot in the back by a white cop to be true. The release of the video was important to show the mindset of Brown and his disrespect for laws and his willingness to use his size to intimidate and rough people up and to force the media to take accountability for their feckless coverage of the incident.

The best thing that could have happened was for the friend of the officer to give his account over the radio early on.

It was because of that account that sent others not associated with the police department in Ferguson to study the coverage of witnesses loading coverage onto social media. It is in one of those videos loaded that the account of a witness in the background just minutes after the shooting occurred giving an account of what he saw just happen to match the officer's account. And mind you this is before any media or race baiter or the police department video release of the robbery involving Brown to taint their account in any way. It isn't hard to believe that others in the area share the same account. Currently, 57% of the people in the area believe the cop is guilty of wrongdoing. 43% do not.

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What is 'wrong' with them releasing the video is that it destroys that image of the cute soft puppy that those invested in making this a violent racial scene (and lets be clear...there are a LOT of 'they' and 'they' are in the media, on this site, out in the streets...'they' are white and black) tried to depict the victim as. It completely destroys the mental image they were trying to create that has people believing the unopposed visual that once there was this poor gentle kid who went to school and loved his mama and was going to go to college and cure polio...and the poor innocent tender little guy was just minding his own business when a eeeevil police man pulled up next to him and then tried to drag a 6'4"300 pound plus man onto his lap in the drivers seat through the drivers window and when that failed he got angry and came out of his car with his weapon drawn and executed the poor guy while he was on his knees with his hands up beggin the lawd please but no, the evil police man shot him from behind. Or...in front. Or...well...somewhere...you know...eyewitness accounts all are different. They DONT want you to see a guy who only moments before the incident committed a violent act of strong armed robbery and was capable of throwing around people not because they were harassing him but because they were trying to prevent him from robbing them.

Its no different with the media blitz that came 45 days after the Trayvon Martin shooting. The narrative was cute little boy who was just soft and cuddly and....LOOK at these pictures of him...he's 12...he has cute little cheeks, and he....wait...what are you doing. Dont show those pictures! You cant show pictures of who he is TODAY. You cant show pictures from his own Facebook page or reveal that in fact he had a violent recent history and that he was suspended from school for breaking into peoples lockers. That doesnt jive with what we are trying to present. Thats not fair!

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jmotivator said:

That is another weird thing about this second autopsy. When that autopsy was conducted Brown had already been embalmed and prepped for burial. How thoroughly was the body cleaned before that second autopsy?

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There are many wierd things.

I have been asking a couple of questions from the beginning which no one seems able to answer.

AG Holder has ordered a third autopsy on the federal governments dime.

The problem as I see it is that any autopsy involves invasive surgical procedures. Incisions, removal of organs, exploration of wounds, stitching the body back up etc. It would seem that any follow up autopsy would have massive problems due to the changes made in the first one. So which one is more accurate? In addition if , as seems inevitible , conflicting information comes out of them which autopsy is to be trusted.

No doubt those supporting the cop may end up trusting the first one and argueing for it's credibility. Those wishing to blame him will trust the second one by Dr. Baden. Big government cult members will state only the one ordered by Holder is valid.

The only good news for the cop is that the second and third autopsies are inadmissable in criminals court. Clearly the one performed by Baden will be used in the civil law suit. But the fact that it makes him less than objective is ignored.

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FERGUSON Mo. (Reuters) - Police came under "heavy gunfire" and 31 people were arrested, authorities said on Tuesday, during racially charged protests in Ferguson, Missouri sparked by the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white policeman 10 days ago.


"Not a single bullet was fired by officers despite coming under heavy attack (on Monday night)," State Highway Patrol Captain Ron Johnson told a news conference.

“Our officers came under heavy gunfire,” in one area, he said, and riot police had confiscated two guns from protesters and what looked like a petrol bomb (molotov cocktail).

Police come under gunfire, 31 arrested in Missouri racial unrest

Dear Lord.

I can't wait for Eric Holder to wag his fingers at these maniacs.

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Soupnazi630 said:

Or it was on his clothes which the second ME did not have access to

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That is possible too.

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CanadaJohn said:

You have more information than I've seen - you know the sequence of shots and the stature/position of the "victim" during each?

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I know which way the bullets were pointed when they came out of the barrel of the gun.

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tres borrachos said:

Nonsense. Do some research on the US justice system before making such ridiculous statements.

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Lmao, you're saying the Ferguson PD has no history of corruption? You sure about that or do I need to post the links again?

Let's start with the fact that the organization seems to enjoy beating suspects:

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily Beast

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Davis suggested in his testimony that if the police really thought he had assaulted an officer he would have been charged back when he was jailed.

“They would have filed those charges right then and there, because that’s a major felony,” he noted.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

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The fact that it cooks the numbers on its misconduct allegations:

Before Mike Brown Shooting, Ferguson Police Department Had History Of Misconduct Allegations

The bungling of the crime statistics was the latest black eye on the Ferguson Police Department, which has been sued twice in federal court for alleged civil rights violations since 2008, court records show. One case was dismissed and a ruling on the other is pending. A civil suit was also filed against the department stemming from a 2009 incident in which a resident was charged with destruction of property because he bled on the uniforms of officers who allegedly beat him, the Daily Beast reported. Arguments in that case are scheduled for December.

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Then there are the constant and recorded threats by police to reports. The fact that they've released supposedly damning information only to later claim it is not relevant to the shooting itself etc. Yeah, this department is corrupt, that it's protecting one of their own is no shock.

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Hatuey said:

Lmao, you're saying the Ferguson PD has no history of corruption? You sure about that or do I need to post the links again?

Let's start with the fact that the organization seems to enjoy beating suspects:

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily Beast



The fact that it cooks the numbers on its misconduct allegations:

Before Mike Brown Shooting, Ferguson Police Department Had History Of Misconduct Allegations



Then there are the constant and recorded threats by police to reports. The fact that they've released supposedly damning information only to later claim it is not relevant to the shooting itself etc. Yeah, this department is corrupt, that it's protecting one of their own is no shock.

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LMAO? No, what I said was nonsense to this incorrect statement from you:

And yet, the organization which represents him does. That makes their reports as inadmissible as the friend's statement.

That does NOT make their reports inadmissible. If their reports were deemed "inadmissible", then they could never arrest anyone and make it stick. FFS use your head, Hatuey.

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Fenton said:

Charging the Police officer with your hands up is a bit of a contradiction.

According to a cell phone recording he turned back towards the officer and ran towards him.

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Maybe he wanted to have a little confabulation with the cop in the middle of being shot to set up some ground rules.

Who really knows (Other than the guy who was shot and killed and won't be talking anytime soon.)?

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shrubnose said:

You weren't there, Mr. Excon, so you don't know any more than I know, And you could know a lot less.

My sources might be more accurate than your sources.

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Unlikely.
1.) There is no credible source that says he was surrendering.
2.) An eye witness account makes that scenario highly unlikely. As Brown was approaching the Officer as the Officer was shooting. That is not indicative of surrendering.

shrubnose said:

In the long run, only the decision of a court will matter in this case.

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Only if just one of many wrong things are done.
Hopefully it doesn't make it that far, as it certainly shouldn't.

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mac said:

What else was he engaged in?

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So you haven't read anything, just popped in here for a look.

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Aunt Spiker said:

I've heard all these same comments and complaints about the law before - time and again. Hardly something 'only found in Ferguson'. I've been around for while.

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Not trying to be obstinate but that doesn't really answer my question