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Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police[W:302,693:992]

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As I understand this, even civilian witnesses agree with the cops story.

So does the autopsy report, which is consistent with a man running, with the right arm folded at the elbow and raised toward the chest...and inconsistent with the arms of a man raised above his head, which can not account for multiple wounds from a single round.
 
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What is it exactly that informs this opinion? Do you know these people? Do you live in Ferguson?

I've heard all these same comments and complaints about the law before - time and again. Hardly something 'only found in Ferguson'. I've been around for while.
 
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CNN is embarrassing itself tonight at a level even extreme for them.
 
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Then why didnt they find any gun powder on brown's body? Does this suggest that the cops examiner groomed evidence off the body?

I have been wondering about that myself. I imagine it was taken off by the last autopsy tests.
 
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CNN is embarrassing itself tonight at a level even extreme for them.

How so?
 
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The autopsy by this NY doctor was the second autopsy. The first one was done by St Louis officials. And I'm assuming the analysis of his clothes so the gun residue would go with that which hasn't been released yet.

Then why didnt they find any gun powder on brown's body? Does this suggest that the cops examiner groomed evidence off the body?

I have been wondering about that myself. I imagine it was taken off by the last autopsy tests.
 
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The autopsy by this NY doctor was the second autopsy. The first one was done by St Louis officials. And I'm assuming the analysis of his clothes so the gun residue would go with that which hasn't been released yet.

One would think he would have gunpowder residue from when the gun was fired inside the vehicle. If he was reaching for the gun, some should be on his hand/arm?
 
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We don't know where the gun was when it went off. Maybe it was away from Brown. As long as they find it in the car somewhere or find the bullet it should corroborate the cop's story.

One would think he would have gunpowder residue from when the gun was fired inside the vehicle. If he was reaching for the gun, some should be on his hand/arm?
 
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So does the autopsy report, which is consistent with a man running, with the right arm folded at the elbow and raised toward the chest...and inconsistent with the arms of a man raised above his head, which can not account for multiple wounds from a single round.

Agreed, good point. BTW I see you are a conservative from mass, greetings from a conservative from california.
 
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CNN is embarrassing itself tonight at a level even extreme for them.

They have to milk this "crises" for all the ratings its got. Just like trayvon martin.
 
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The officer had to keep a hold of the gun. The suspect had already tried to take the gun once.

Altho the buddy with Brown seems to confirm that the weapon was drawn from within the car in his statement, he does not say that Brown went for the gun. So that is still just the cop's statement.

At this point, it could even have been an accidental discharge. We dont know.

I still find it odd no GSR was reported on Brown if he was shot from inside the car....Shawn Purcells, medical investigator today, said that *preliminary findings* indicated that the shots all come from a distance.

So there is no clear truth here yet.
 
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The sketch of the shots is far more consistent with a man running towards the shooter.

In addition it is much too late to claim he was laying down as not one witness has made such a claim

THen why would the shots be on the inside of teh bicep and the palm? Seems more likely to be from a guy down on his belly, propped on his elbows with his hands up. When I run my arms cross to the center of my body with my elbows pointing out more than my hands.

Also everyone seems to be ignoring the shot that went through his eye, out of teh bottom of his jaw and into his collar bone. That cant happen standing up.
 
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Take a good look at the (preliminary) autopsy report. There are more wounds than are accounted for by the reported six rounds fired. What that means is that there are multiple wounds for at least two rounds. Look at the autopsy image again and take the right arm and fold it up at the elbow. Some of the wounds match almost perfectly, which indicates that his arms were not up, but rather bent at the elbow and raised toward the chest, which indicates a running position.

Most people haven't given it too much thought yet, probably because they're too busy shooting their mouths off, but this autopsy report actually supports the officer's story, or what little we know of it so far from second hand sources.

?? It's probably not that hard to verify how many shots the cop fired....did he have a full magazine and one in the chamber at the time of the shooting? So then what was left after? Perhaps not every shot has been accounted for or reported, esp. if it didnt hit anything.
 
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One would think he would have gunpowder residue from when the gun was fired inside the vehicle. If he was reaching for the gun, some should be on his hand/arm?

Police and the buddy with Brown have stated this so I also find it odd that no GSR was found --or--released--yet.
 
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Altho the buddy with Brown seems to confirm that the weapon was drawn from within the car in his statement, he does not say that Brown went for the gun. So that is still just the cop's statement.

At this point, it could even have been an accidental discharge. We dont know.

I still find it odd no GSR was reported on Brown if he was shot from inside the car....Shawn Purcells, medical investigator today, said that *preliminary findings* indicated that the shots all come from a distance.

So there is no clear truth here yet.

As I understand it at least one on scene witness told the media virtually the same story that the cop had told. The pattern here, are lies, inferences, inflammation, violence, etc from one side. There has been no trial, and the more we know-the worse this teen looks. There are plenty of groups out there who would love for violence and crime to spread everywhere. Some of the same occupy thugs that rioted in oakland apparently have been seen there agitating.
 
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Police and the buddy with Brown have stated this so I also find it odd that no GSR was found --or--released--yet.

And those same politicians are figuring out if releasing the news is worth one group rioting.
 
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Altho the buddy with Brown seems to confirm that the weapon was drawn from within the car in his statement, he does not say that Brown went for the gun. So that is still just the cop's statement.
Wow?

The witness describes a struggle between the Officer and his friend. And then what? The Officer just shoots himself because the struggle wasn't over a gun?
Wow! Simply wow! :doh

No. What is reported as coming from the Officer as a struggle over the gun, seems more likely given the other evidence. Especially given the following, and then the anonymous witness in the other video saying Brown was all up on the vehicle.





At this point, it could even have been an accidental discharge. We dont know.
Sure it could be that.
An accidental discharge during a life threatening struggle with a robbery suspect.
And then that suspect takes off after the Officer is wounded by the gun.
Yep, you sure could believe that, as it changes nothing about the rest of the incident.


I still find it odd no GSR was reported on Brown if he was shot from inside the car....Shawn Purcells, medical investigator today, said that *preliminary findings* indicated that the shots all come from a distance.

So there is no clear truth here yet.
Where is it reported that Brown was shot from within the vehicle?
If you listen to his cohort above, it appears as though the Officer was shot. Which may be the reported injury to his face which required hospitalization?

As for residue?
While no one knows yet, the Officer very well could have got the gun far enough away from Brown when it discharged. As in jerked it away, and then "bam" at the end of it's travel. Not leaving any residue on his hand or arm. So lack of residue is not really an issue.
 
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As I understand it at least one on scene witness told the media virtually the same story that the cop had told. The pattern here, are lies, inferences, inflammation, violence, etc from one side. There has been no trial, and the more we know-the worse this teen looks. There are plenty of groups out there who would love for violence and crime to spread everywhere. Some of the same occupy thugs that rioted in oakland apparently have been seen there agitating.

Are you assuming I think that the cop made a bad shoot?

I have seen little that supports that Brown was not a threat however the door is still open that mistakes were made IMO.

All evidence is not yet in.
 
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And those same politicians are figuring out if releasing the news is worth one group rioting.

Very possibly.
 
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Wow?

The witness describes a struggle between the Officer and his friend. And then what? The Officer just shoots himself?
Wow! Simply wow! :doh

No. What is reported as coming from the Officer as a struggle over the gun, seems more likely given the other evidence. Especially given the following, and then the anonymous witness in the other video saying Brown was all up on the vehicle.





Sure it could be that.
An accidental discharge during a life threatening struggle with a robbery suspect.
And then that suspect takes off after the Officer is wounded by the gun.
Yep, you sure could believe that, as it changes nothing about the rest of the incident.


Where is it reported that Brown was shot from within the vehicle?
If you listen to his cohort above, it appears as though the Officer was shot. Which may be the reported injury to his face which required hospitalization?

As for residue?
While no one knows yet, the Officer very well could have got the gun far enough away from Brown when it discharged. Not leaving any residue on his hand or arm. So lack of residue is not really an issue.


You 'imagine' alot.

The statement from the buddy clearly states, in the video, that he believed Brown was hit. Did you miss that?

I"m glad you're going with 'more likely.' That's nice. I'm waiting for a full investigation and perhaps even grand jury and trial. But you go ahead and go with 'more likely.' Hey...play the odds, cool.

Regarding GSR...contained within a vehicle....it should show up somewhere....on bodies, uniform, inside vehicle. Do you have some inside track there? You have the definitive answers? I hope they call you on the stand! You can verify it wasnt an AD, esp. if there was a struggle over the gun. Case closed!

I guess I've missed the medical reports that said the cop was shot. Do you have links to that?
 
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You 'imagine' alot.
Not at all.


The statement from the buddy clearly states, in the video, that he believed Brown was hit. Did you miss that?
You are imagining. Try again.

The rest of your hyperbole is irrelevant.
 
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Not at all.


You are imagining. Try again.

The rest of your hyperbole is irrelevant.

Wow, you really got me there! :lamo
 
Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use more t

You 'imagine' alot.

The statement from the buddy clearly states, in the video, that he believed Brown was hit. Did you miss that?

I"m glad you're going with 'more likely.' That's nice. I'm waiting for a full investigation and perhaps even grand jury and trial. But you go ahead and go with 'more likely.' Hey...play the odds, cool.

Regarding GSR...contained within a vehicle....it should show up somewhere....on bodies, uniform, inside vehicle. Do you have some inside track there? You have the definitive answers? I hope they call you on the stand! You can verify it wasnt an AD, esp. if there was a struggle over the gun. Case closed!

I guess I've missed the medical reports that said the cop was shot. Do you have links to that?

Just to be clear, are you aware that kid in the video clip was his accomplice in his assault/robbery, and now is the "eye witness" to the media. He looks really sad in that video though.
 
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