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Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police[W:302,693:992]

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I'm on the fence here. I find the officer's story plausible, as mentioned in a prior post. But one thing I find interesting is that there is no allegation that Wilson saw a gun or anything like that. Don't officers carry pepper spray, mace, etc. (I mean, they seem to have a stockpile now....)? If Brown was "bum rushing" from 30 feet away, without any indication of a weapon . . . obviously an officer has the right to protect himself, but I believe the rule is actually you can only use that proportion of force reasonably necessary to stop the crime. Did he have access to any kind of non-lethal weapon that he could have used?

He may not. Just thought it was worth adding to the discussion.
 
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Please cite photographic/visual evidence that documents your version of the events.
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The evidence has already been presented in the multiple threads. Learn it before attempting to discuss it.





No, the cops making total, incompetent asses of themselves has been documented by the very journalists that are covering them. . .
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Again showing that you know not of what you speak.
 
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So you believe it is okay for a ****ing pig to pump 6 or more shots into someone surrendering? Talk about absurd, you're embarrassing yourself now. Glad you're not a pig. Or are you one of those stinking cops that likes to execute people? a pig.

do you have ANY reliable evidence the deceased was surrendering?
 
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No.
You are the one that appears to be butt hurt because you don't know the evidence.

Like I said, learn the evidence if you are going to attempt to discuss it.

And since you have already been informed that that evidence includes that from the criminal cohort, your claim of believing something without question,is an absurd lie.

Why are you the one cussing at me if I'm the one that's butthurt.

Projection much? lol

I'm actually commenting on the evidence that's there and waiting for more evidence to appear. You, however, are all in with whatever the cops say. And you present it as all the evidence you need.
 
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do you have ANY reliable evidence the deceased was surrendering?

So far the only evidence is that witnesses have said he had his hands up and the autopsy said he was shot in the palm which kind of supports the witnesses' story but doesn't exactly put it in stone.
 
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You don't get shot in the palm of the hand like Brown did unless you're putting your hands up to surrender.

The sketch I saw had all the entry points along the fore-arm side of the right arm. They would have been on the underside had arms been raised in surrender. Additionally, the failure-to-stop final rounds went into right side and top of the skull, but guns kick up and to the right when in rapid semi-auto. A series of shots that start at the skull and then travel up and to the left would have required A) that the body not move despite having just received two shots to the head and B) that the officer either be firing upside down, or severely overmuscling the weapon.

:shrug: which isn't to say that either scenario isn't possible. I've just dealt with a few shot-up people before, and from the list of wounds that were given, the traveling-up-the-forearm-and-into-the-skull is the most likely path.
 
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So far the only evidence is that witnesses have said he had his hands up and the autopsy said he was shot in the palm which kind of supports the witnesses' story but doesn't exactly put it in stone.

the bullet wound to the hand does not seem consistent with hands raised above the shoulders

yeah I know a bit about people being shot by police since I used to handle "use of force" cases
 
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What - you mean like the type of gangland murder that happens in every major city across the US that no one in the 'black community' actually gives a flying **** about?

Like those?

I really don't think they care because when any other murder has happened crap like riots and violent protests were not the response - not just in Ferguson - but anywhere. Only when a white cop shoots the occasional minority do people suddenly claim they have issues. Black on black crime? Eh - they don't care.

But really - I think people just want to be wild and out of control - and when a few people had genuine cause for emotional upheaval (the Browne family) and something worthy of investigating everyone else took a dive.

The offenders in the aftermath are just using the suffering of the Brown family to further their desire for mayhem.

What is it exactly that informs this opinion? Do you know these people? Do you live in Ferguson?
 
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I'm on the fence here. I find the officer's story plausible, as mentioned in a prior post. But one thing I find interesting is that there is no allegation that Wilson saw a gun or anything like that. Don't officers carry pepper spray, mace, etc. (I mean, they seem to have a stockpile now....)? If Brown was "bum rushing" from 30 feet away, without any indication of a weapon . . . obviously an officer has the right to protect himself, but I believe the rule is actually you can only use that proportion of force reasonably necessary to stop the crime. Did he have access to any kind of non-lethal weapon that he could have used?

He may not. Just thought it was worth adding to the discussion.

A good question - but one that comes with a problem. You often don't get time to employ two weapons' systems in an actual charging scenario. That forces you to choose between maybe putting them down and saving yourself, or very likely putting them down and saving yourself. :shrug: I know plenty of guys who, once they felt their lives were in danger, took whatever steps they saw necessary to make sure that they chose the latter. If you charge an armed person, don't be surprised if they use the weapon - because that's the decision you've put them in.
 
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Why are you the one cussing at me if I'm the one that's butthurt.

Projection much? lol

I'm actually commenting on the evidence that's there and waiting for more evidence to appear. You, however, are all in with whatever the cops say. And you present it as all the evidence you need.
Using the word damn is not cussing at you. Just something more you have shown not to know. Figures.

And no, you are not commenting on the evidence, as you have already shown you do not know it.
You obviously can't even tell what corroborates what.

So as usual, you will continue to be wrong until you let go of your bias and pay attention to the evidence.
 
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the bullet wound to the hand does not seem consistent with hands raised above the shoulders

yeah I know a bit about people being shot by police since I used to handle "use of force" cases

Hands up doesn't necessarily have to be over the head. By your head. Out in front of your chest. Not fully 90 degrees to the ground.
 
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What is it exactly that informs this opinion?

Perhaps you've been out of the news cycle for a while - some seem to have taken the "protests" as a venue to "riot" and "steal lots of crap" and "destroy lots of other stuff."

My bet would be that is what she is speaking to. Along perhaps with Sharpton and the rest of the opportunists.
 
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I'm on the fence here. I find the officer's story plausible, as mentioned in a prior post. But one thing I find interesting is that there is no allegation that Wilson saw a gun or anything like that. Don't officers carry pepper spray, mace, etc. (I mean, they seem to have a stockpile now....)? If Brown was "bum rushing" from 30 feet away, without any indication of a weapon . . . obviously an officer has the right to protect himself, but I believe the rule is actually you can only use that proportion of force reasonably necessary to stop the crime. Did he have access to any kind of non-lethal weapon that he could have used?

He may not. Just thought it was worth adding to the discussion.
You need to learn all the evidence first.

So start with the cohorts account if you don't think he saw a gun or even knew there was a gun.

 
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Using the word damn is not cussing at you. Just something more you have shown not to know. Figures.

And no, you are not commenting on the evidence, as you have already shown you do not know it.
You obviously can't even tell what corroborates what.

So as usual, you will continue to be wrong until you let go of your bias and pay attention to the evidence.

And here we go with the usual Excon "he who posts last wins" logic so the content doesn't actually matter. Stop becoming unhinged and try to follow the conversation instead of just saying the same thing over and over and getting more and more irrelevant with each post you make.
 
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Perhaps you've been out of the news cycle for a while - some seem to have taken the "protests" as a venue to "riot" and "steal lots of crap" and "destroy lots of other stuff."

My bet would be that is what she is speaking to. Along perhaps with Sharpton and the rest of the opportunists.

and therein lies the problem. It's the assumptions made about the character of the protesters and the willingness to be distracted from the real issue
 
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Hands up doesn't necessarily have to be over the head. By your head. Out in front of your chest. Not fully 90 degrees to the ground.

Right now we need to find out what really happened.

maybe the cop was out of control-maybe he was scared. Maybe the deceased deserved getting shot, maybe he did not

what I do know is that assholes who are raping and pillaging and using this shooting as an excuse to act like thugs need to be dead ASAP.
 
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Right now we need to find out what really happened.

maybe the cop was out of control-maybe he was scared. Maybe the deceased deserved getting shot, maybe he did not

I absolutely agree 100%. I tend to always question authority because it's basically the only way to police the police. While I think there is a place for authority I tend have a very healthy distrust of it. But not dislike until there is a reason.


TurtleDude said:
what I do know is that assholes who are raping and pillaging and using this shooting as an excuse to act like thugs need to be dead ASAP.

I don't like that either and want it to stop.
 
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A good question - but one that comes with a problem. You often don't get time to employ two weapons' systems in an actual charging scenario. That forces you to choose between maybe putting them down and saving yourself, or very likely putting them down and saving yourself. :shrug: I know plenty of guys who, once they felt their lives were in danger, took whatever steps they saw necessary to make sure that they chose the latter. If you charge an armed person, don't be surprised if they use the weapon - because that's the decision you've put them in.
Thanks, good point. The risk of grappling for the other weapon while trying to put away or drop the gun would indeed be dangerous.
 
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What is it exactly that informs this opinion? Do you know these people? Do you live in Ferguson?

I live a few miles from Ferguson. More than a couple of my co-workers live in that area. Spiker's right.

Most of the thugs that are rioting are simple street trash that do not live in Ferguson, and have no vested interest there. They're simply capitalizing on an opportunity to cause as much social destruction as possible. In fact, one of my co-workers stood guard in front of her parents' little storefront (on Friday night). She says none of these thugs are interested in "justice." They just blindly hate cops, or hate Whitey, and are taking advantage of the situation.

Protesting shouldn't involve looting or performing acts of violence.
 
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I live a few miles from Ferguson. More than a couple of my co-workers live in that area. Spiker's right.

Most of the thugs that are rioting are simple street trash that do not live in Ferguson, and have no vested interest there. They're simply capitalizing on an opportunity to cause as much social destruction as possible. In fact, one of my co-workers stood guard in front of her parents' little storefront (on Friday night). She says none of these thugs are interested in "justice." They just blindly hate cops, or hate Whitey, and are taking advantage of the situation.

Protesting shouldn't involve looting or performing acts of violence.

Agreed. I find it interesting people pouring in from outside to riot and loot which harms the locals' more than helps.
 
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This is also the opinion I heard from Joe Madison who has talked in person to Ferguson protestors.
He's a liberal Black radio host who called the outsiders "provocateurs" as he slammed TV people for not having the guts to use that word .
Agreed. I find it interesting people pouring in from outside to riot and loot which harms the locals' more than helps.
 
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And here we go with the usual Excon "he who posts last wins" logic so the content doesn't actually matter. Stop becoming unhinged and try to follow the conversation instead of just saying the same thing over and over and getting more and more irrelevant with each post you make.
No. That is your absurd logic.
And this whole post of yours just shows that when you can not logically address the topic or the evidence you just decide to focus on the person.
That is an absurd tactic that just shows you to be in the wrong.

So again learn the evidence if you wish to discuss it.

How about we start with both the Police and the cohort confirming that there was a struggle over the gun which discharged in the vehicle?
Or do you think that hasn't been corroborated? Or maybe it is that you think gentle Mike the giant wouldn't try to prevent an Officer form arresting him for the robbery he was involved it?
 
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No. That is your absurd logic.
And this whole post of yours just shows that when you can not logically address the topic or the evidence you just decide to focus on the person.
That is an absurd tactic that just shows you to be in the wrong.

So again learn the evidence if you wish to discuss it.

How about we start with both the Police and the cohort confirming that there was a struggle over the gun which discharged in the vehicle?
Or do you think that hasn't been corroborated? Or maybe it is that you think gentle Mike the giant wouldn't try to prevent an Officer form arresting him for the robbery he was involved it?

It's absurd. Absurd it is. So absurd. Your using absurd logic making what you say absurd.

How about you question authority for once in your life? Learn some individuality and independence to stand on your own rather having your info spoonfed to you by authority and lapped up to the last drop.
 
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and therein lies the problem. It's the assumptions made about the character of the protesters and the willingness to be distracted from the real issue

:confused: perhaps you could outline a scenario where someone would show up to peacefully protest and accidentally find themselves looting and smashing up storefronts?
 
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:confused: perhaps you could outline a scenario where someone would show up to peacefully protest and accidentally find themselves looting and smashing up storefronts?

It's not black and white like that. People can be protesting in a way this is disorderly without invalidating that they are protesting.
 
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