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Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police[W:302,693:992]

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Thorgasm said:
I'm not dancing. You are the one assuming that he bum rushed the armed officer. It's possible, but not conclusive from the video of him stealing cigars and intimidating the clerk.
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I'm not assuming anything. One of the eye witness accounts states that he did, the forensics say he was shot from the front...not the back as reported by his cohort, the same one the said he was shot while kneeling, hands up in surrender. Forgive me if I find the guy's testimony, the one that robbed the store with Brown, extremely suspect.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/14/michael-brown-ferguson-missouri-timeline/14051827/

Sunday Aug. 10

10 a.m. – Michael Brown, 18, was unarmed, St. Louis County Police Chief Joe Belmar says in a news conference. Belmar says Brown physically assaulted the officer, and during a struggle between the two, Brown reached for the officer's gun. One shot was fired in the car followed by other gunshots outside of the car.
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Kreton said:
Look at most police shootings. Order does not result. More often chaos does.
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Not true
 
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AJiveMan said:
Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times; police use more tear gas on protesters | Fox News

So, the pig just basically was enraged that he got his ass whooped, and decided to empty his pistol into someone kneeling on the ground with his hands in the air in surrender.

Kind of like a gangland murder.
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Got his ass whooped? Who ended up in control of the gun??? Tell me....how long have you hated cops?
 
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Your Star said:
It is HIGHLY different when a police officer, one of the people we charge to uphold the law, guns down an unarmed and surrendering man. That is why this is causing so much attention.
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Suggesting that Brown was surrendering is quite a stretch.
 
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Kreton said:
If you are saying most criminals are guilty I absolutely agree. Without doubt. But when a cop kills someone their guilt of a crime doesn't mean it was OK to kill them.

This case for instance. The suspect here was certainly guilty of robbery, however does that make shooting him OK? No day in court. Running at an officer doesn't warrant lethal force in my mind. Now I wasn't there and I can't say for if lethal force was the only option, but in some cases it isn't. And just because some or many are, it is wrong to assume that all are
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No? How big are you? A 6'4" 300lb guy is running at you. Presumably had already gone for your gun. What do you do?
 
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AJiveMan said:
You probably frothed at the jowls when the Kent State massacre happened, crying for more blood to be spilled.

never bring a $48 box of cigars to a gunfight with a ****ing pig.
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How long have you hated cops?
 
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Your Star said:
Riots, no. Mass protests, I'd say yes.
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As long as they are peaceful and lawful protests.
 
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Your Star said:
You don't get shot in the palm of the hand like Brown did unless you're putting your hands up to surrender.
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Me thinks he was laying on the ground, on his belly with his head cocked up and his arms raised as much as he could. That would explain the gunshots on the inside of his arms and the trajectory of the one that went through his eye, out the bottom of his jaw and into his collar bone.

Had he been charging at the cop the arms would have curled inward (the way every human runs) and the shots would have entered the outside part of his bicep. And hit his knuckles instead of the palm.

Had he been laying on the ground with his arms and head raised as much as he could the shots would have hit him in the palm, inside of his bicep, eyes and top of head.

Lets take a look at the picture.

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Sabanist said:
No? How big are you? A 6'4" 300lb guy is running at you. Presumably had already gone for your gun. What do you do?
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Maybe Shoot him in the leg and immobilize him. But like I said I wasn't there and there are far too many differing accounts for me to say what I would have done. I am still not clear on what happened to say for sure what I'd do or what I would have liked the cop to do.
 
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Your Star said:
If the bullet entered into the palm of his hand it is pretty obvious.
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The simple act of "palms out" is not surrendering. Surrendering is putting your hands up.
 
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AJiveMan said:
So you believe it is okay for a ****ing pig to pump 6 or more shots into someone surrendering? Talk about absurd, you're embarrassing yourself now. Glad you're not a pig. Or are you one of those stinking cops that likes to execute people? a pig.
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Why are you displaying such frothing hatred of cops? It destroys any credibility that you think you have.
 
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jmotivator said:
The only thing conclusive is that the "witness" report that he was shot in the back with his hands up is a lie.
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he was shot AT as he was running. He then surrendered after he heard shots. Im guessing he didnt get hit until he became a motionless target.
 
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Sabanist said:
No? How big are you? A 6'4" 300lb guy is running at you. Presumably had already gone for your gun. What do you do?
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Offer him a cigar. :mrgreen:

Later we'll laugh at it over a couple beers.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times; police use more tear gas on protesters | Fox News

So, the pig just basically was enraged that he got his ass whooped, and decided to empty his pistol into someone kneeling on the ground with his hands in the air in surrender.

Kind of like a gangland murder.
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What evidence do you have that he had his hands in the air?

Your Star said:
It is HIGHLY different when a police officer, one of the people we charge to uphold the law, guns down an unarmed and surrendering man. That is why this is causing so much attention.
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What evidence do you have that he was surrendering?
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
he was shot AT as he was running. He then surrendered after he heard shots. Im guessing he didnt get hit until he became a motionless target.
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There is an account out now that he turned and charged at the officer, so your characterization of him "surrendering" is in question.
 
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Kreton said:
Maybe Shoot him in the leg and immobilize him. But like I said I wasn't there and there are far too many differing accounts for me to say what I would have done. I am still not clear on what happened to say for sure what I'd do or what I would have liked the cop to do.
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Presumably limb shot weren't enough to 'immobilize' him. That's a dangerous thing to have cops go for immobilizing. Cop may become dead before that happens.
 
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Your Star said:
You don't get shot in the palm of the hand like Brown did unless you're putting your hands up to surrender.
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Holy dog****.... I didn't know you were an expert in investigating gunshot wounds.

There would be MANY different scenarios that provide that outcome, you chose the one you wanted to sympathize with.
 
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AJiveMan said:
I see you're not familiar with gangland style murders, where the gunny has the person on his knees and shoots him in the back, usually after they're face down, they pump a couple more into the back of the head.

You wanna talk about the subject, or derail it with the current occurrences of civil unrest?
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Nobody was shot in the back.

Owned.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
he was shot AT as he was running. He then surrendered after he heard shots. Im guessing he didnt get hit until he became a motionless target.
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That's not what the accomplice said as a witness, he said he was shot and then turned around and surrendered.
 
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rocket88 said:
And that's the problem. We have one side of the story, except for his friend's testimony that he was surrendering.

Somebody is lying, and we don't know who. We know who you believe, but not the actual facts.
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No. The evidence is known.
Not my problem if you do not know it or not properly weigh it.
 
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upsideguy said:
Wow... You speak with such authority as to how the events transpired. I didn't realize you actually witnessed this. Thanks for contributing facts to the discussion that has been nothing but speculation to date. (no one likes people that just spout off their unfounded personal impressions... they add nothing intelligent to the discussion).

It is rather interesting, however, that this particular autopsy seems to run contrary to your eyewitness account. Remember, when you testify, you will be under oath. Perhaps you should rethink you story in light of new facts.
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No, the autopsy certainly doesn't run contrary to what is known. It actually supports what is already known.
 
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Btw, one thing that hasn't been mentioned from this autopsy is the angle of the entry wounds. It seems that would at least tell us if he was on his knees and surrendering when he was fired upon. Seems like a material lack of detail.
 
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clownboy said:
Btw, one thing that hasn't been mentioned from this autopsy is the angle of the entry wounds. It seems that would at least tell us if he was on his knees and surrendering when he was fired upon. Seems like a material lack of detail.
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I think that's a detail they'd rather save for the courtroom if it goes there.
 
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Mason66 said:
Would you consider the hand wound in the palm? From the drawing it looks like the edge behind the thumb, not on the palm.
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Instead of being pedantic I decided to go with her wording. which is wording that is generally accepted for that area.

Yet the specific wording does not change what the elongated wound indicates.
It does not indicate his hands were up in a surrendering fashion.
 
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While Brown was clearly a societal thug from obvious video + other sources as well as that I personally think his fate adds up to what a thug should get in an ideal society, it is extremely disturbing considering our societies laws are rather clear and that he was shot 6 times unarmed for a technicality stop is outrageous.


I've been pulled over by white cops as a white guy myself and one thing is most certainly true, all police forces of any stripe do have extremely 'Good ol' Boy' scum elements (and not just among the white cops) throughout them. I can tell you if this good ol' boy piece of **** could have shot me dead in my car all over a bs traffic stop that I got dismissed later on, he would have no questions asked. That entire stop was essentially a class warfare traffic stop. Tried to give me a $500 ticket. Had it removed.
 
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