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Nice try, but your anti-police knee jerk


Show that supposed behavior NOW!!!!!!!!!! I ****ing dare you!

and comments about a culture you obviously don't understand

Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

any more than what you've read in the press won't be repaired by calling others racist. In your case, it is indeed simple namecalling.

Yeah, maybe for someone who likes defending racists. Turning up before the facts are known, to defend the officer no matter what may come up, from a guy who previously posted similar stuff, is racist.

Btw, never even been to the Southern States. I'm a Northern boy born and bred. Left Coast if you understand the reference.

I didnt say that you were a southerner. show me where I did?!

Why do you constantly insist that I posted things that I didnt even post?!
 
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It DOESNT HAVE TOO. All it has to do is impair your perception of reality. Make you less fearful. That is it. Do you think pot can do that?

Hell. You can't say for certain what impacts it has, because like all drugs, the reaction depends on the person. And if the person is ALREADY a violent person...then he may make a bad decision because he can think right in a drug induced fog.

Not every pot head is a giggly school girl who sits on the couch eating Cheetos getting baked. Some are trouble makers. I've had plenty of experience with them too...including a former friend who stalked, beat, and raped his ex wife. He was the biggest stoner I ever met, and the reason I will never touch pot.

Did Mr. Brown have a history of violent behavior before that day?
 
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I am fully aware of this. And unlike your kind, I have nbever had a problem with admiting when I am wrong.

None of which you have demonstrated here.

Ok. Show me where exactly I am doing that! You cant!? Well what a ****ing suprise!

Stop ****ing accusing me of posting things that I didnt!

EVERY post you've made to this thread accuses the officer of either racism and/or murder when you do not have a clue if either is the case.

I called specific individuals racist.

And I called them racist because they rushed to condem the black kid and praise the cop, before most facts were on the table.

No matter how this will turn out in the end, it will remain that these individuals emidiatly rushed to the conclusion that it was the black kids fault.

No, you indict whole groups of people as well as specific individuals. So that's a porky pie right there. Tell us you haven't been calling Southern folks racist. Go ahead.

And no, you call them racists because your arguments against the police are crumbling before the facts and there's nowhere else to go for the anti-police mindset than to play the race card.

Btw, for your education, there are quite a few non-racist people here in the states that will generally condemn the criminal and defend the cop before the whole story is available. Cops, no matter their color, will get the benefit of the doubt and the criminals won't, no matter their color.
 
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Yes. Every reasonable person does.

Oh wait, Gonzales? I think he was just incompetent. But Holder? Competently agenda driven.


Did you always assume that Gonzales was pushing an agenda.
 
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Did Mr. Brown have a history of violent behavior before that day?


Lol...he definitely did before before the Cop stopped him.

And given his predisposition to ignore the law and to bully those weaker than him, there's a Good chance he had a violent personality.
 
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Did Mr. Brown have a history of violent behavior before that day?

You don't just wake up one day and choke a store clerk to get away with a robbery. The only thing a lack of a record tells us is that thus far he's avoided arrest and/or his record is sealed.
 
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There are a few things that become apparent when these types of scenarios present themselves.

1. Any time something happens where a white person and a black person are involved people auto assume racism.

The fact is we live in a culturally diverse country where blacks, whites, Browns, yellows, red and every other race and mix exist. They are going to situations, even unfortunate ones where different races interact with one another. That does not automatically mean race is a factor or a cause. This case does not seem racially motivated. It is more a case of a cop shooting a suspect.

2. Every time these things come about many people instantly take the same side they always do. "right wingers" always seem to side with the cop/shooter and the "left wingers" always seem to side with the victim/non cop.

I don't understand why so many people can't put their political allegiances aside and recognize that not every shooting is justified and not every shooting is wrong. Can anyone explain to me why every shooting has to be the same?

3. These cases have little to do with the shooter/victim or justice. It only has to do with political alliances.

Somehow the left thinks that cops are always wrong. And they exploit people's fears of authority. It seems they use these situations to make people of all races feel like they are going to be next. It's always an abuse of power and race and if you don't agree you are a bigot. The right is no better. They use these instances to push the agenda that criminals are going to kill us all and we all need to take arms, and kill at the slightest threat and the left is going to take away your right to defend yourself.

It's sad how often these sad situations are exploited. Not for the betterment of mankind or the United States but rather to push a social and/or political agenda.

Very few look at any situation openly and determine right or wrong. They see cop shooting and they assume right or wrong immediately and determine right and wrong based solely on that. Ignoring the full picture and focusing on what they want see. People are saying this guy was a gentle man, who was on his way to college and going to see his grandmother. Others act like he was a horrible person deserving of death.

Look at the whole picture. Leave your political biases aside. Understand what happened before assuming guilt or innocence for either guy.
 
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Why don't you calm down Red Baron, or are you always this emotional?

Show that supposed behavior NOW!!!!!!!!!! I ****ing dare you!



Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.



Yeah, maybe for someone who likes defending racists. Turning up before the facts are known, to defend the officer no matter what may come up, from a guy who previously posted similar stuff, is racist.



I didnt say that you were a southerner. show me where I did?!

Why do you constantly insist that I posted things that I didnt even post?!
 
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Why don't you calm down Red Baron, or are you always this emotional?

You should wait until he really gets going.

It's the Beer Hall Putsch all over again.
 
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Lol...he definitely did before before the Cop stopped him.

And given his predisposition to ignore the law and to bully those weaker than him, there's a Good chance he had a violent personality.

yeah, I'd say that old man he strong armed in the store would back up that statement.
what really scares me is if the officers account is true then the witnesses are lying through their TEETH. What does that say for the future of race relations?
 
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There are a few things that become apparent when these types of scenarios present themselves.

1. Any time something happens where a white person and a black person are involved people auto assume racism.

The fact is we live in a culturally diverse country where blacks, whites, Browns, yellows, red and every other race and mix exist. They are going to situations, even unfortunate ones where different races interact with one another. That does not automatically mean race is a factor or a cause. This case does not seem racially motivated. It is more a case of a cop shooting a suspect.

2. Every time these things come about many people instantly take the same side they always do. "right wingers" always seem to side with the cop/shooter and the "left wingers" always seem to side with the victim/non cop.

I don't understand why so many people can't put their political allegiances aside and recognize that not every shooting is justified and not every shooting is wrong. Can anyone explain to me why every shooting has to be the same?

3. These cases have little to do with the shooter/victim or justice. It only has to do with political alliances.

Somehow the left thinks that cops are always wrong. And they exploit people's fears of authority. It seems they use these situations to make people of all races feel like they are going to be next. It's always an abuse of power and race and if you don't agree you are a bigot. The right is no better. They use these instances to push the agenda that criminals are going to kill us all and we all need to take arms, and kill at the slightest threat and the left is going to take away your right to defend yourself.

It's sad how often these sad situations are exploited. Not for the betterment of mankind or the United States but rather to push a social and/or political agenda.

Very few look at any situation openly and determine right or wrong. They see cop shooting and they assume right or wrong immediately and determine right and wrong based solely on that. Ignoring the full picture and focusing on what they want see. People are saying this guy was a gentle man, who was on his way to college and going to see his grandmother. Others act like he was a horrible person deserving of death.

Look at the whole picture. Leave your political biases aside. Understand what happened before assuming guilt or innocence for either guy.

That should be required reading front page, every media. Excellent post!
 
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Did Mr. Brown have a history of violent behavior before that day?

He was 18, records much further back than that day would be sealed, assuming there were any records.

However, there is video of him engaging in violent behavior 10 minutes earlier and the guy that says he was surrendering was with him during the robbery.
 
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yeah, I'd say that old man he strong armed in the store would back up that statement.
what really scares me is if the officers account is true then the witnesses are lying through their TEETH. What does that say for the future of race relations?

I've watched COPS shows from all around the world, and time after time, with almost no exceptions, people lie to the COPS. Witnesses and perpetrators. Different cultures, different countries, all the same in that respect.

Police know worldwide that they'll be lied to regularly throughout their day.
 
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Show that supposed behavior NOW!!!!!!!!!! I ****ing dare you!

German calls others Klan members then gets fearsome internet muscles when anyone hints at accusing him of anything. He is approaching the hypocrisy singularity.

Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

WHAT??!! Oh good Lord, German, step away from the keyboard.

Yeah, maybe for someone who likes defending racists. Turning up before the facts are known, to defend the officer no matter what may come up, from a guy who previously posted similar stuff, is racist.

You know what you and racists have in common? A strong trust in stereotypes...

I didnt say that you were a southerner. show me where I did?!

You claimed that "a bunch of southerners" are coming in here to defend the police officer. Granted, I wouldn't say that you were calling us all southerners for defending the police officer as much as it was just you saying something monumentally moronic and easily refutable.

Why do you constantly insist that I posted things that I didnt even post?!

I know, right!? Especially when you haven't really been shy with doling out ammunition for the opposition.
 
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There are a few things that become apparent when these types of scenarios present themselves.

1. Any time something happens where a white person and a black person are involved people auto assume racism.

The fact is we live in a culturally diverse country where blacks, whites, Browns, yellows, red and every other race and mix exist. They are going to situations, even unfortunate ones where different races interact with one another. That does not automatically mean race is a factor or a cause. This case does not seem racially motivated. It is more a case of a cop shooting a suspect.

2. Every time these things come about many people instantly take the same side they always do. "right wingers" always seem to side with the cop/shooter and the "left wingers" always seem to side with the victim/non cop.

I don't understand why so many people can't put their political allegiances aside and recognize that not every shooting is justified and not every shooting is wrong. Can anyone explain to me why every shooting has to be the same?

3. These cases have little to do with the shooter/victim or justice. It only has to do with political alliances.

Somehow the left thinks that cops are always wrong. And they exploit people's fears of authority. It seems they use these situations to make people of all races feel like they are going to be next. It's always an abuse of power and race and if you don't agree you are a bigot. The right is no better. They use these instances to push the agenda that criminals are going to kill us all and we all need to take arms, and kill at the slightest threat and the left is going to take away your right to defend yourself.

It's sad how often these sad situations are exploited. Not for the betterment of mankind or the United States but rather to push a social and/or political agenda.

Very few look at any situation openly and determine right or wrong. They see cop shooting and they assume right or wrong immediately and determine right and wrong based solely on that. Ignoring the full picture and focusing on what they want see. People are saying this guy was a gentle man, who was on his way to college and going to see his grandmother. Others act like he was a horrible person deserving of death.

Look at the whole picture. Leave your political biases aside. Understand what happened before assuming guilt or innocence for either guy.

You are partially right, but i dont think people take the side of the cop due to being right wing. They take the side of the cop because he has been trained, likely educated, has no motive, presumably has passed a background check, and the suspect in this case has already been exposed as a criminal. This is aside from the fact that in 99.9 pct of officer involved shootings, the cop was in the right.
 
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Lol...he definitely did before before the Cop stopped him.

And given his predisposition to ignore the law and to bully those weaker than him, there's a Good chance he had a violent personality.

Is a guy with a gun pointed at you weaker?
 
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You don't just wake up one day and choke a store clerk to get away with a robbery. The only thing a lack of a record tells us is that thus far he's avoided arrest and/or his record is sealed.

That's right. We don't know.
 
Re: Private autopsy reportedly reveals Ferguson teen shot six times;police use [W:302

There are a few things that become apparent when these types of scenarios present themselves.

1. Any time something happens where a white person and a black person are involved people auto assume racism.

The fact is we live in a culturally diverse country where blacks, whites, Browns, yellows, red and every other race and mix exist. They are going to situations, even unfortunate ones where different races interact with one another. That does not automatically mean race is a factor or a cause. This case does not seem racially motivated. It is more a case of a cop shooting a suspect.

2. Every time these things come about many people instantly take the same side they always do. "right wingers" always seem to side with the cop/shooter and the "left wingers" always seem to side with the victim/non cop.

I don't understand why so many people can't put their political allegiances aside and recognize that not every shooting is justified and not every shooting is wrong. Can anyone explain to me why every shooting has to be the same?

3. These cases have little to do with the shooter/victim or justice. It only has to do with political alliances.

Somehow the left thinks that cops are always wrong. And they exploit people's fears of authority. It seems they use these situations to make people of all races feel like they are going to be next. It's always an abuse of power and race and if you don't agree you are a bigot. The right is no better. They use these instances to push the agenda that criminals are going to kill us all and we all need to take arms, and kill at the slightest threat and the left is going to take away your right to defend yourself.

It's sad how often these sad situations are exploited. Not for the betterment of mankind or the United States but rather to push a social and/or political agenda.

Very few look at any situation openly and determine right or wrong. They see cop shooting and they assume right or wrong immediately and determine right and wrong based solely on that. Ignoring the full picture and focusing on what they want see. People are saying this guy was a gentle man, who was on his way to college and going to see his grandmother. Others act like he was a horrible person deserving of death.

Look at the whole picture. Leave your political biases aside. Understand what happened before assuming guilt or innocence for either guy.


While I appreciate the sentiment I find the broad brush strokes undermine the point you are trying to make. God knows I am guilty of the same numerous times, but if you want to take down the wall you can certainly start by dropping the categorical indictments of the "left" and "right" because in most cases you will find the lines are far more blurred than that.
 
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He was 18, records much further back than that day would be sealed, assuming there were any records.

However, there is video of him engaging in violent behavior 10 minutes earlier and the guy that says he was surrendering was with him during the robbery.

Did the clerk receive medical treatment?
 
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From WaPo:

FERGUSON, Mo. — An unarmed black teenager had marijuana in his system when he was fatally shot six times by a white police officer, two people familiar with the official county autopsy of Michael Brown said Monday.

The autopsy by St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, released to state prosecutors late Friday, found that Brown, 18, had six gunshot wounds to the head and chest and was shot from the front, the people said. They spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of Brown’s death, which has triggered violent protests in this St. Louis suburb that continued Sunday night.

In a brief interview with The Washington Post, Case declined to comment on specifics of her examination of Brown’s body but said she welcomes the two other autopsies being performed. One was done Sunday by forensic pathologists Michael Baden and Shawn Parcells, and Case said the second — ordered on Sunday by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. — will be done by Pentagon medical examiners. County autopsy: Michael Brown shot 6 times from front, had marijuana in system - The Washington Post

And I don't understand why a third autopsy is being conducted.
 
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From WaPo:

FERGUSON, Mo. — An unarmed black teenager had marijuana in his system when he was fatally shot six times by a white police officer, two people familiar with the official county autopsy of Michael Brown said Monday.

The autopsy by St. Louis County chief medical examiner Mary Case, released to state prosecutors late Friday, found that Brown, 18, had six gunshot wounds to the head and chest and was shot from the front, the people said. They spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of Brown’s death, which has triggered violent protests in this St. Louis suburb that continued Sunday night.

In a brief interview with The Washington Post, Case declined to comment on specifics of her examination of Brown’s body but said she welcomes the two other autopsies being performed. One was done Sunday by forensic pathologists Michael Baden and Shawn Parcells, and Case said the second — ordered on Sunday by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. — will be done by Pentagon medical examiners. County autopsy: Michael Brown shot 6 times from front, had marijuana in system - The Washington Post

And I don't understand why a third autopsy is being conducted.

Because holder wants to hang a cop and cant rely on the state exam nor a private exam
 
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Is a guy with a gun pointed at you weaker?

When convinced they won't fire upon you, yes. Never met a real bully before?
 
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That's right. We don't know.

Yep, we do know that he had no problem being violent that day.
 
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You are partially right, but i dont think people take the side of the cop due to being right wing. They take the side of the cop because he has been trained, likely educated, has no motive, presumably has passed a background check, and the suspect in this case has already been exposed as a criminal. This is aside from the fact that in 99.9 pct of officer involved shootings, the cop was in the right.

However you want to justify it, the right sides with the cop almost always regardless of the circumstances. Not all, but a large amount. And not just cops. Any shooter who claims self defense.
 
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However you want to justify it, the right sides with the cop almost always regardless of the circumstances. Not all, but a large amount. And not just cops. Any shooter who claims self defense.

Makes sense, the right generally favors order.
 
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