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‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’

Lutherf said:
So the people of Ferguson are stuck with the option of a tyranny of the masses or a tyranny of the state. So far the masses have managed to shut down the town and destroy several properties owned and operated by people wholly uninvolved in the point of their frustration. If you want to see that continue I'm all for it.
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There doesn't need to be either based upon the complete turnaround the state police had when they came in and took over from the town police.
 
maquiscat said:
There doesn't need to be either based upon the complete turnaround the state police had when they came in and took over from the town police.
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The mobs thinking they were appeased was not a complete turn around.
When they saw they were not getting what the wanted, they turned right back around and started with the same **** all over again.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
‘I just kept asking: Why am I being arrested for sitting in my aunt’s driveway?’ - The Washington Post

Wait.. So I thought the media was trying to portray the 7 arrested as rowdy. (not said directly but it sure seemed that way)

Turns out 5 of the people arrested that night were smoking in a car on private property??? Ummmm. If this is true then all the leadership in this police force needs to be stripped and re-established by the community. This is really starting to sound like some NAZI crap. Are the police trying to inflame the local populace on purpose or something? Who the **** pulls a gun out on someone for sitting in a car? Is curfew enough to aim a deadly weapon at someone??
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If everyone is outside at 2 a.m. it becomes difficult for the police to do their job protecting businesses because their attention to spread to thin. And of course they need to assume in that situation that everyone is innocent.

The whole point of a curfew is to separate those intent on breaking the law from peaceful people. It is not a permanent regime. The government asks people to stay off the street to give a situation time to settle and to make it more clear for the government who the instigators are --- those who are out on the street during curfew, presumably, are up to no good.

I don't have much problem with these arrests.
 
maquiscat said:
What law was broken by this person sitting in his car which was in turn sitting in his aunt's driveway? You need to specifically cite the wording of the law and not make some vague reference of what you think the law says.
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There was a curfew. That means, "get your ass inside your own house".
 
maquiscat said:
Inside the house, out on the lawn, it is all being at home. Show me where the curfew requires you to be inside the physical structure of the residence.
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Sitting in a car, in someone elses driveway isn't, "being at home"
 
Lutherf said:
So the people of Ferguson are stuck with the option of a tyranny of the masses or a tyranny of the state. So far the masses have managed to shut down the town and destroy several properties owned and operated by people wholly uninvolved in the point of their frustration. If you want to see that continue I'm all for it.
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If you were to look at curfews set on the youth it's becomes obvious that all they do is waste government resources and strain the relationship between cops and those they are imposed on. It's not at all different for curfews set on the general population and it would better suit the police to deal with criminals than to impose themselves on everyone.
 
Helix said:
it doesn't sound anything like a Nazi camp. Nazis rounds up millions of people and murdered them. this sounds like cops ****ing up. big difference.
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It sounds more like there are a lot of folks in that town that think the law doesn't apply to them.
 
maquiscat said:
There doesn't need to be either based upon the complete turnaround the state police had when they came in and took over from the town police.
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How long did that last?
 
Lutherf said:
So the people of Ferguson are stuck with the option of a tyranny of the masses or a tyranny of the state. So far the masses have managed to shut down the town and destroy several properties owned and operated by people wholly uninvolved in the point of their frustration. If you want to see that continue I'm all for it.
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Oh, and I would rather pick the mob than be a prisoner. :shrug: It's the difference between a sure thing and a possibility.
 
maquiscat said:
What law was broken by this person sitting in his car which was in turn sitting in his aunt's driveway? You need to specifically cite the wording of the law and not make some vague reference of what you think the law says.
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The governor has the legal authority to impose emergency curfews. Curfews mean "stay indoors" not simply "be on your property". They violated the curfew and were arrested for it.
 
Uhm, he violated the Curfew laws.

Whats the issue here ?
 
~SAL said:
Buddy was only sitting in his car, minding his own business. Agreed. However, think about the big picture here, a curfew has been placed, police behaviour has been put into question, protesters behaviour has been questioned, why oh why, take a chance with your life for a cigarette? Why pick now to be defiant, is buddies life worth being right... I say no...if you have to smoke do so from the house with your window up and your head out, I don't care. A curfew is just that. This is exactly what that black preacher was talking about in the other thread...don't do stupid things...use your head. Stay safe.

okay kudos to you, if you thinking dying for a cigarette in your car is worth being right. I personally am into choosing my battles and living to fight another day, when I can win.
Bottom line, might is right, they have the curfew and the fire power, you have one life...why waste it?
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If you think there is even a CHANCE the police could possible "accidentally" kill a man for smoking a cigerette on private property then... well... ummm.. something is wrong with the state of police?
 
Lutherf said:
So the people of Ferguson are stuck with the option of a tyranny of the masses or a tyranny of the state. So far the masses have managed to shut down the town and destroy several properties owned and operated by people wholly uninvolved in the point of their frustration. If you want to see that continue I'm all for it.
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This reminds me of the restrictions put in place by someone - city or police department? - after the Boston Marathon bombings and shootings. Apparently they have the authority to keep people in their homes. I'm not sure I like that, either, but to be on the safe side, I guess I would obey.

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:
 
~SAL said:
we ARE the government. They were to blame, they broke curfew even if on their own property, common sense would dictate, stay inside. If I am a law abiding citizen and a curfew has been called, I am staying inside not pressing the issue. If someone would have been hurt here it wouldn't have mattered about rights. Which is my point. This is not the time to press the issue.

Choose your time, choose your battle and win.
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Im a peaceful guy. But I also dont tolerate bull****. If a cop tells me I have to stay inside the very first thing im going to do is sit my ass right on my porch. Just because they have a badge doesnt mean they can bully. Well it can... but that doesnt mean im going to respect them. Its insane that a cop would point a deadly weapon at this guy for being on welcomed private property doing nothing. People taking the cops on this side are ****ing insane.
 
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apdst said:
There was a curfew. That means, "get your ass inside your own house".
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No it does not. It means stay off public streets and way. Like I said. A 10 year old could be sitting on their porch at 2 a.m. and if there is a child curfew in the town the cops cant do crap about it.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Its insane that a cop would point a deadly weapon at this guy for being on his own private property doing nothing.
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:naughty
No.
What is insane is that there are folks who wont follow the laws, and then try to cry foul when they are caught.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
No it does not. It means stay off public streets and way. Like I said. A 10 year old could be sitting on their porch at 2 a.m. and if there is a child curfew in the town the cops cant do crap about it.
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:naughty
No.
Apples to oranges.

But since you think it is the same, please show they are.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Im a peaceful guy. But I also dont tolerate bull****. If a cop tells me I have to stay inside the very first thing im going to do is sit my ass right on my porch. Just because they have a badge doesnt mean they can bully. Well it can... but that doesnt mean im going to respect them. Its insane that a cop would point a deadly weapon at this guy for being on welcomed private property doing nothing. People taking the cops on this side are ****ing insane.
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When I was teenager the government set a curfew in my area and I spent the night sitting on my porch smoking pot and getting nice and drunk. I was a minor, so techincally I was breaking three laws. :mrgreen: Guess how much property damage I did that night? None. Guess how people I hurt in any sort of way? None. Yet, I was breaking the law. Tyranny is awesome.
 
Henrin said:
When I was teenager the government set a curfew in my area and I spent the night sitting on my porch smoking pot and getting nice and drunk. I was a minor, so techincally I was breaking three laws. :mrgreen: Guess how much property damage I did that night? None. Guess how people I hurt in any sort of way? None. Yet, I was breaking the law. Tyranny is awesome.
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You are lucky they werent hunting for numbers to put into the media. People in their driveway = arrested. Looters = not arrested. Just think about that. Its almost as if they want to give the world a news report to see. "People arrested, people still looting" seems to be the mantra.
 
Henrin said:
When I was teenager the government set a curfew in my area and I spent the night sitting on my porch smoking pot and getting nice and drunk. I was a minor, so techincally I was breaking three laws. :mrgreen: Guess how much property damage I did that night? None. Guess how people I hurt in any sort of way? None. Yet, I was breaking the law. Tyranny is awesome.
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So you are saying the curfew worked.
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dirtpoorchris said:
YPeople in their driveway = arrested. Looters = not arrested.
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Another apples to oranges comparison by you.

Was there any looting or property damage during the imposed curfew hours? If not, it worked.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
Well I didnt say nazi camp. I more mean like the begining of their rise. With the curfews and such. How are we free if we cant even smoke on our own property? They even took the extra step to sit in a car so it didnt look like they were standing outside in protest.
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the cops ****ed up. that's not anything like what the Nazis did.
 
Excon said:
So you are saying the curfew worked.
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If the objective is to make people defy the law even more, then yeah, the curfew worked great.
 
~SAL said:
I gotta ask here, how high does one's IQ have to be in order to fully comprehend that there has been death and destruction and now a curfew is in place for the good of everyone?

At a certain point I have to say, if you have no common sense, if the need to be defiant, or stupid over-rides basic common sense, I have no further sympathy.

With all that has occurred in this community WHY do people have to stretch the limit out?

They guy does not deserve to die for being stupid, but he didn't so I say, man up be glad you are still breathing and don't be a wiener.

wow hey dude, there's a curfew, it not be pertaining to me though, I be right in a car, in my auntie's driveway smokin'...they be arrestin' me, not my fault bro

yes it is, and if you need an explanation here as to why, your road is going to be a rocky one in the real world
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Please explain to me why they should be arrested for smoking in a driveway, not being a bother to anyone. It really isn't making sense.
 
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