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'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of police re

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I wonder how much of that is tit-for-tat BS. "You don't want to support us and see what happens to you" kind of crap.
 
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I wonder how much of that is tit-for-tat BS. "You don't want to support us and see what happens to you" kind of crap.

Well what can they do? If they go in with riot gear the media attacks them for being too heavy handed.
 
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The police created this problem, so it all falls on their shoulders.
 
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Why did you mention the man's skin color? What does his ethnicity have to fo with his competence?

That highway police chief was put in charge because he was born and raised in the african-american community in fergusson. He wasn't put in charge because he was black, but because he was "local", which most of the cops and the mayor aren't "local" as in, they aren't blacks from the african-american community in fergusson which is also the vast majority of the population.

I cannot speak for the OP but I am guessing this is what he was trying to say, but you know... in a simplistic and stupid way.

My opinion is that everyone is stupid in fergusson. Lets see the autopsy result, the forensic result and then the end of the investigation before people start protesting and rioting and before the mayor deploys the police, that looks like a god damn army, on the streets.
 
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Why did you mention the man's skin color? What does his ethnicity have to fo with his competence?

I mentioned it because this entire blot on history is about SKIN COLOR. And that is the ONLY REASON the governor named that guy as the in-charge cop on the scene. And he IS BLACK.
 
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Well what can they do? If they go in with riot gear the media attacks them for being too heavy handed.

For one thing lose the military weapons, storm trooper body armor, MRAPS etc. They are police, not soldiers in a war zone.
 
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The police created this problem, so it all falls on their shoulders.

Well... HE STARTED IT!!!

Yeah that sounds good guys, let's use that as an excuse to pillage our community.
 
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Well... HE STARTED IT!!!

Yeah that sounds good guys, let's use that as an excuse to pillage our community.

That's their mentality, alright.
 
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That highway police chief was put in charge because he was born and raised in the african-american community in fergusson. He wasn't put in charge because he was black, but because he was "local", which most of the cops and the mayor aren't "local" as in, they aren't blacks from the african-american community in fergusson which is also the vast majority of the population.

That would make sense. A lot more sense than handing him that kind of responsibility because he's black.

I cannot speak for the OP but I am guessing this is what he was trying to say, but you know... in a simplistic and stupid way.

If only that were true. :lol:

TMy opinion is that everyone is stupid in fergusson. Lets see the autopsy result, the forensic result and then the end of the investigation before people start protesting and rioting and before the mayor deploys the police, that looks like a god damn army, on the streets.

Personally, I think this explosion is likely the result of a long-simmering problem:

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily Beast

I think that if this other incident, coupled with this most recent explosion, are indicative of a pattern of behavior, the protests and riots aren't happening because people are stupid. They're happening because people are fed-up.
 
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I mentioned it because this entire blot on history is about SKIN COLOR. And that is the ONLY REASON the governor named that guy as the in-charge cop on the scene. And he IS BLACK.

Either the man is competent or he is not. His skin color has nothing to do with his competence and as such is nothing more than a red herring.
 
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For one thing lose the military weapons, storm trooper body armor, MRAPS etc. They are police, not soldiers in a war zone.

So I guess you prefer them facing rioters with just clothes and batons? That's going to go great for the police who are trying to protect store owners..
 
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So I guess you prefer them facing rioters with just clothes and batons? That's going to go great for the police who are trying to protect store owners..

I think it's pretty obvious there's a middle ground between paramilitary equipment and going in bare-knuckled.

There are not enough police in the whole of the United States to stop the rest of the population from doing whatever it wants. The authority and capabilities of any police officer are limited by common agreement among the rest of us, functionally a shared hallucination. A smart officer knows that keeping the peace is less about being armed for anything and more about their relationship with the community they are charged with protecting.

You do not address a community angry at a perceived abuse of authority or force by suiting up for war unless your intent is to start a war.
 
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'There are no police': Ferguson store owners guard businesses; cite lack of police response | Fox News

response.

Well, it look like the new black highway patrol officer who was put in charge of the situation by the governor has everything UNDER CONTROL....NOT.

GD incredible!

Considering this highway patrol officer was marching with the protestors, when would the new police in charge have time to actually police the jurisdiction?
 
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I wonder how much of that is tit-for-tat BS. "You don't want to support us and see what happens to you" kind of crap.

It would be awesome if the police were using this as a way to establish a racket right in plain sight. No joke that would be hilariously awesome.

But these store owners should take personal responsibility for their businesses.
 
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I think it's pretty obvious there's a middle ground between paramilitary equipment and going in bare-knuckled.

There are not enough police in the whole of the United States to stop the rest of the population from doing whatever it wants. The authority and capabilities of any police officer are limited by common agreement among the rest of us, functionally a shared hallucination. A smart officer knows that keeping the peace is less about being armed for anything and more about their relationship with the community they are charged with protecting.

You do not address a community angry at a perceived abuse of authority or force by suiting up for war unless your intent is to start a war.

If these police were going after normal protesters, then you'd have grounds for an argument of abuse of power, but so far I've seen several peaceful protests over the past couple of days and not once has there been an outbreak of violence on the part of the police. When a situation is out of control and you have rioting, force is required to bring things under control. And in that situation, do we not want the responders to be as well equipped as possible?
 
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So I guess you prefer them facing rioters with just clothes and batons? That's going to go great for the police who are trying to protect store owners..

How did cops deal with rioters pre War on Drugs?

And more to the point the St Louis PD for the past week has been armed and acting like the 1st Infantry Division landing in Iraq during Persian Gulf 1.
 
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I think it's pretty obvious there's a middle ground between paramilitary equipment and going in bare-knuckled.


You do not address a community angry at a perceived abuse of authority or force by suiting up for war unless your intent is to start a war.

and that community anger is addressed by damaging and hurting their own neighbors.
 
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For one thing lose the military weapons, storm trooper body armor, MRAPS etc. They are police, not soldiers in a war zone.
YOU go put yourself in a riot situation where it is reported civilians are firing at police helicopters adn DONT wear anything and everything available.

The funny thing is...the night before when the police DID respond with all that gear? No riots, the crowd dispersed in literally minutes once the police engaged, no looting...no nothing. Some runny noses and rubber bullet bruises. The riot gear was extraordinarily 'effective'.
 
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It would be awesome if the police were using this as a way to establish a racket right in plain sight. No joke that would be hilariously awesome.

But these store owners should take personal responsibility for their businesses.

Do you also support them getting the appropriate business and property tax rebate from the city/state since they are now required to police themselves?
 
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How did cops deal with rioters pre War on Drugs?

And more to the point the St Louis PD for the past week has been armed and acting like the 1st Infantry Division landing in Iraq during Persian Gulf 1.

I assume they were equipped with the best gear available, just as officers today. Of course, we often just called in the troops to break it up as well...

Like I said to Dan, they haven't attacked any peaceful protest, they've only gone after the rioters and looters.
 
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Either the man is competent or he is not. His skin color has nothing to do with his competence and as such is nothing more than a red herring.

Last night he stood by and watched the blacks in Ferguson loot the stores with no guns pointed at the front door or the broken windows. That was not showing a great deal of competency. The owners were left to their own devices and of course, if some WHITE owner shot and killed some BLACK looter all hell would have broken loose....AGAIN.

You know it and I know it.
 
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considering this highway patrol officer was marching with the protestors, when would the new police in charge have time to actually police the jurisdiction?

exactly.
 
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If these police were going after normal protesters, then you'd have grounds for an argument of abuse of power, but so far I've seen several peaceful protests over the past couple of days and not once has there been an outbreak of violence on the part of the police.

Up until the governor got involved, the police continued to be a cause of the problem on an ongoing basis, for example the arrests of reporters and at least one alderman.

When a situation is out of control and you have rioting, force is required to bring things under control. And in that situation, do we not want the responders to be as well equipped as possible?

You are ignoring the fact that there hasn't been an ongoing riot, whereas if the situation had degenerated into pure chaos you'd have a point. Otherwise, in the shared hallucination that is police authority, you do have to be mindful of the times where the equipment you bring and the tactics you use risk making the problem worse rather than being simple preparation.
 
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