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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

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BWG said:
To the bolded, I'll just assume you are ill-informed.

I'd hardly say Michael McCrum is a Democrat and I'll bet it is news to him that he was charged and plead guilty to a DUI charge in 2013.

Michael McCrum was nominated by Texas two senators, Kay Bailey Hutchison and John Cornyn for U.S. Attorney


Michael McCrum, Special Prosecutor of Texas's Rick Perry, and the Road Not Taken | Main Justice
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My apologies - I misread the article attached to the OP, which indicates the issue revolves around the District Attorney in the jurisdiction, who is a Democrat and who did get charged and plead guilty to a DUI.
 
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shrubnose said:
Conservative said:
You didn't save my ass anytime, anywhere.

I'm a U.S. citizen and Vietnam War Veteran who was born in 1943 in the USA.

It's easy to run your mouth when you're anonymous on the internet.
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LOL, it is also easy to run your mouth about something or someone you don't know just because of what you are told. I am waiting for you to tell me what Rick Perry did to you or your family that generates this kind of hatred?
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Objective Voice said:
I can't speak to why Gov. Perry wanted Mrs. Lehmberg gone. All I can tell you is based on what's been reported, he threatened to use his veto power to force her to resign ahead of actually putting that power in effect.
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But how does that make it a personal self-interest? What specific benefit does Governor Perry personally acquire as a result of exercising his veto power as he promised?
 
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Conservative said:
shrubnose said:
LOL, it is also easy to run your mouth about something or someone you don't know just because of what you are told.
I am waiting for you to tell me what Rick Perry did to you or your family that generates this kind of hatred?
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Hold your breath while you wait.

That should make your life interesting.

I don't hate Rick Perry, I'd just like to see him do a perp' walk in a striped jumpsuit
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sangha said:
My point is that one must incredible ignorant to think that a governor can accept a bribe.
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Can Presidents accept a bribe/threat in return for executive action?

If a President did something to ensure that he and his party received campaign donations, would that be legal?
 
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Conservative said:
I have no idea what you are talking about as you continue to ignore the basic point, ANY GOVERNOR HAS THE RIGHT TO VETO LEGISLATION FOR ANY REASON.............!!!!!
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sangha said:
Governors can veto bills because someone paid them to veto a bill?
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eohrnberger said:
Is the 'someone paid them to veto a bill' part factual or conjecture?

Yeah, I can see where this Republican's troubles will be trumpeted across the media where as Cuomo's scandal be confined to the back pages, if covered at all.
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sangha said:
Can a Governor veto a bill because he was bribed to do so?
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Show your evidence that bribery has taken place. Show your evidence that Perry took a bribe.

Otherwise it's little more than your conjecture and casting unwarranted and unfounded aspersions.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Show your evidence that bribery has taken place. Show your evidence that Perry took a bribe.

Otherwise it's little more than your conjecture and casting unwarranted and unfounded aspersions.
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Now you have done it, asking a liberal for proof? Their opinions are all the proof they ever need. Don't expect an answer
 
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Objective Voice said:
Can you clear your PM In-Box? I would like to send you a PM on this matter without derailing the thread topic.

Thanks.
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Anything you have to say can be said openly, elsewhere openly, or not at all.
 
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danarhea said:
**Dana points at this thread**
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Then Dana fails at supporting his assertion.
Which your inability to support your assertion was already known, hence the question in the first place.
You were speaking nonsense as no Conservatives were screaming "bloody murder at the indictment of Rick Perry".
 
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Objective Voice said:
Hence, the reason I continue to make the distinction between "duly elected official" and someone appointed to their position by the Governor. Gov. Perry can't fire her and he can't force her to resign through humiliation. So, what's next? Strong-arm her, and it would appear he's hiding behind TX coercion law to do it. Still, I think folks should really start asking themselves "Why her"? And now that you've mentioned it, if DA Lehmberg does come under the control of the county commissioner, wouldn't it make sense to go through him to get her fired than to try and bully her into do so from the executive office?

People really need to start thinking about this beyond the politics of the moment. I'm hard pressed to believe Perry would want her out just because he thinks her drunk driving/DUI conviction violates the public trust, honor and integrity the voters placed in her. His actions makes me wonder if Gov. Perry either has something to hide or something to gain and he's trying to get this woman out of power before the beans are spilled.
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I'm not ready to draw any conclusions yet. But Lehmberg should have resigned, and I mean immediately. In any other county but Travis County, maybe she would've. From Slate:

Police found an open vodka bottle in the car and arrested her. She verbally berated the arresting officers, and she didn’t stop the verbal abuse when she got to jail. Lehmberg was strapped into a restraining chair. Hours after her arrest, she blew a .239, almost three times the legal limit. Lehmberg’s jailers starting filming her, as they sometimes do with uncooperative detainees. That footage quickly found its way into the hands of media outlets. It’s incredibly embarrassing stuff—from Lehmberg’s thinly veiled threats against sheriff’s deputies, to her repeated requests to call Travis County Sheriff Greg Hamilton (“He’s not going to let me sit in jail all night”) to the placement of a hood, commonly known as a “spit mask,” on Lehmberg’s head. She ultimately pleaded guilty and served about half of a 45-day jail term. Calls for Lehmberg to resign started circulating immediately. She didn’t.

Rick Perry Indicted After Cutting the Funding for a State Corruption Investigation
 
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nota bene said:
I'm not ready to draw any conclusions yet. But Lehmberg should have resigned, and I mean immediately. In any other county but Travis County, maybe she would've. From Slate:

Police found an open vodka bottle in the car and arrested her. She verbally berated the arresting officers, and she didn’t stop the verbal abuse when she got to jail. Lehmberg was strapped into a restraining chair. Hours after her arrest, she blew a .239, almost three times the legal limit. Lehmberg’s jailers starting filming her, as they sometimes do with uncooperative detainees. That footage quickly found its way into the hands of media outlets. It’s incredibly embarrassing stuff—from Lehmberg’s thinly veiled threats against sheriff’s deputies, to her repeated requests to call Travis County Sheriff Greg Hamilton (“He’s not going to let me sit in jail all night”) to the placement of a hood, commonly known as a “spit mask,” on Lehmberg’s head. She ultimately pleaded guilty and served about half of a 45-day jail term. Calls for Lehmberg to resign started circulating immediately. She didn’t.

Rick Perry Indicted After Cutting the Funding for a State Corruption Investigation
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Isn't a criminal conviction ground to be disbarred?
 
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disneydude said:
Oh puh-lease. Perry has been giving Texas away to anyone who will come there. There is a reason why corporations would want to accept all of that free corporate welfare. Meanwhile....Texas is tied with Mississippi for having the highest percentage of minimum wage jobs in the entire US. You might want to get your facts straight next time before commenting.
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Wait a minute. Offering tax incentives to lure in new investment is " giving the State away " ?? New York is running National adds promising Businesses that relocate there a 10 year tax exemption.

So is Michigan.

Your description is ridiculous.

And Texas leads the Nation in Jobs created across ALL income levels.

That includes High paying jobs.
 
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shrubnose said:
Conservative said:
Hold your breath while you wait.

That should make your life interesting.

I don't hate Rick Perry, I'd just like to see him do a perp' walk in a striped jumpsuit
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You hate him because ......?
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eohrnberger said:
Show your evidence that bribery has taken place. Show your evidence that Perry took a bribe.

Otherwise it's little more than your conjecture and casting unwarranted and unfounded aspersions.
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It pains me to do it, but to be fair to Sangha he didn't claim that Perry took a bribe. If you look back, he originally said "Can a Governor veto a bill because he was bribed to do so?" in response to a poster claiming that a Governor can legally veto any bill for any reason. He was asking the hypothetical, not laying a charge.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
It pains me to do it, but to be fair to Sangha he didn't claim that Perry took a bribe. If you look back, he originally said "Can a Governor veto a bill because he was bribed to do so?" in response to a poster claiming that a Governor can legally veto any bill for any reason. He was asking the hypothetical, not laying a charge.
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Agreed. Sangha did exactly that.
However, the subtext is that Perry took a bribe, and that's not demonstrated with any evidence at all, at this point, which was my point.
 
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Fenton said:
Wait a minute. Offering tax incentives to lure in new investment is " giving the State away " ?? New York is running National adds promising Businesses that relocate there a 10 year tax exemption.

So is Michigan.

Your description is ridiculous.

And Texas leads the Nation in Jobs created across ALL income levels.

That includes High paying jobs.
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Tax incentives? LOL....Like...."Come to Texas and we will make you pay no taxes for 20 years". How is that productive for the State? The answer is...it isn't...which is why Texas is at the bottom of the barrel in healthcare, education and high paying jobs. Sorry....but the reality is that Texas leads the country with Mississippi in having the highest number of people working for minimum wage. Not exactly something to be proud of.
 
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Conservative said:
Tell me exactly when you met and what you know about Rick Perry? You buy what the media tells you. I live a little closer to the situation than you do and have a better understanding of Perry and TX politics. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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I live in Austin. Is that close enough for you? You have no idea what you are talking about. Rick Perry is a jackass that not even many Texas conservatives like. Texas liberals certainly don't like him, but the point is, Perry over-stepped his bounds in demanding for Lehmberg to vacate her position using his power of veto to defund the office so that he could appoint his own replacement to his liking. It was an abuse of power.

I'm not saying that Lehmberg is a great person, and I remember when she got arrested. Her blatancy in demanding a sheriff give her special treatment as she pounded on the jail door was practically unbearable to watch, and there are many democratic representatives here in Austin that I disagree with in their actions, but that doesn't change the fact that Perry abused his power as Governor.

FYI: Did you know that Rick Perry was at one point a Democrat?
 
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John Chait of New York magazine, who is pretty left but also pretty sharp, gives us a good rundown of exactly why this indictment is complete BS:

Rick Perry Indictment Is Unbelievably Ridiculous -- NYMag

This is scummy Texas Democrats going after a scummy Texas Republican. Pretty much naked political gamesmanship.
 
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disneydude said:
Tax incentives? LOL....Like...."Come to Texas and we will make you pay no taxes for 20 years". How is that productive for the State? The answer is...it isn't...which is why Texas is at the bottom of the barrel in healthcare, education and high paying jobs. Sorry....but the reality is that Texas leads the country with Mississippi in having the highest number of people working for minimum wage. Not exactly something to be proud of.
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Lol...you stated an opinion....

Given your predisposition to the liberal ideology I wouldn't expect you to understand the concept or the advantage of luring new investment with tax breaks.

Texas lured Toyota out of that Blue plague State California with 40 Million in relocation assistance so Toyota could come here and spend 300 Million setting up their new head quarters. For that 40 Million Texas also gets 3000 Professional High paying jobs that move into the Dallas area.

Are you getting it yet ?

Since 2011 more than two dozen California companies including Titan Laboratories, Xeris Pharmaceuticals, Superconductor Technologies, SCON +1.04% Pacific Union Financial and Med-Logics have relocated in Texas from Jerry Brown's disaster of a State, and for Texas that equates to increased revenue which will no doubt be added to our existing 10 Billion dollar Surplus.

So as California struggles with their growing fiscal nightmare, and their huge population of people totally dependent on the Government, Texas is going to continue doing what works.
 
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disneydude said:
Tax incentives? LOL....Like...."Come to Texas and we will make you pay no taxes for 20 years". How is that productive for the State? The answer is...it isn't...which is why Texas is at the bottom of the barrel in healthcare, education and high paying jobs. Sorry....but the reality is that Texas leads the country with Mississippi in having the highest number of people working for minimum wage. Not exactly something to be proud of.
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Same old lies, same old bs from you. You have no idea what you are talking about and buy the leftwing spin. California leads the nation in minimum wage jobs, leads the nation in poverty, and leads the nation in the number of people getting taxpayer assistance. You must be so proud.

TX has no state income taxes, has a low cost of living, is at the top in job creation, has 52 Fortune 500 companies and that simply drives you crazy. All those people and businesses moving to TX so they can make low wages, have no insurance, and living in poverty. That is liberal logic

Saying the same lies over and over again don't make those lies true. TX does not lead the nation in the number of people making minimum wage, they have the most in the nation, 500,000 out of a 13 million labor force making the FEDERAL MINIMUM Wage, California has the most people making a minimum wage, three times the number in TX. Suggest you learn how to do research. California minimum wage up to July 1 was $8 an hour. How was it living in California living on $8 an hour?
 
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Raven1 said:
I live in Austin. Is that close enough for you? You have no idea what you are talking about. Rick Perry is a jackass that not even many Texas conservatives like. Texas liberals certainly don't like him, but the point is, Perry over-stepped his bounds in demanding for Lehmberg to vacate her position using his power of veto to defund the office so that he could appoint his own replacement to his liking. It was an abuse of power.

I'm not saying that Lehmberg is a great person, and I remember when she got arrested. Her blatancy in demanding a sheriff give her special treatment as she pounded on the jail door was practically unbearable to watch, and there are many democratic representatives here in Austin that I disagree with in their actions, but that doesn't change the fact that Perry abused his power as Governor.

FYI: Did you know that Rick Perry was at one point a Democrat?
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Living in Austin says it all, thanks. How does it feel to be in the minority in a state that leads the nation in job creation, population growth,, has 52 and growing Fortune 500 companies and a booming economy? Must frustrate people like you knowing that this state is doing so well without liberalism.
 
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Objective Voice said:
By "illegal" you mean criminal, no. But we're not talking criminal actions here, now are we? We're talking violating ethics rules which when looking at things from the primus of character, honor and integrity for someone holding the highest office in the land - or in this case, the Great State of Texas - I'd think you kind folks would want someone sitting in your state's big chair who was of the highest moral fiber, not someone who would use shady politics to get what he wants or abuse his Executive Power. I mean, my God...isn't this the very claim you guys wage against the President of the United States? Executive overreach?
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No we're talking about 5 to 99 on one count and 5 to 20 on the other. Felonies.

You really think Perry would commit felonies just for political points?

He didn't just do this off the cuff, it happened over time and with much legal consultation.
 
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Conservative said:
Living in Austin says it all, thanks. How does it feel to be in the minority in a state that leads the nation in job creation, population growth,, has 52 and growing Fortune 500 companies and a booming economy? Must frustrate people like you knowing that this state is doing so well without liberalism.
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You mean I live in one of the fastest growing cities, population-wise and economically? Oh, it really pains me to live in this liberal mecca. Highly educated and beautiful city that it is, I can't bear the pain it causes me to keep Austin weird. :roll:

You think it is because of Rick Perry that our state does so well? While you proclaim that low taxes are your answer, have you seen what Texas Republicans have done to property taxes? Oh, and have you been to the local DPS office lately? How's that working out for you? How did you like it when Rick Perry refused federal funding for healthcare, in a state that ranks at the bottom for people covered by healthcare? How do you like the changes in education books that Texas Republicans put forth under Rick Perry's direction to further stupefy our state as a whole, and with it many other states?
 
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