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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Conservative said:
Again, I am waiting for you to show me the law that a Governor has to have a reason to veto the bill?
Do you understand how the Legislature works?
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I understand if Governor Perry is convicted in court he has a serious problem. His political power won't help him there.

Wait and see.
 
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shrubnose said:
Tom Delay is one slimy critter that I could never stand.

If he was under the jail right now I'd be a lot happier.
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How very "centrist" of you....:lamo
 
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shrubnose said:
Tom Delay is one slimy critter that I could never stand.

If he was under the jail right now I'd be a lot happier.
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So you confirm your support for using the American judicial system to exact revenge on political enemies?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

danarhea said:
Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prosecutors' funds



All I can say is HOLY CRAP. This is going to be a political crapstorm.

Article is here.
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Proving the old adage that even a mediocre DA could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. Indictment is not a guilty verdict, it's not even the result of a trial. Just one DA holding a bunch of unpaid folks captive, sometimes for months, until they acquiesce and finally say, yes, you can take it to court.
 
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nota bene said:
To Polgara: Nevertheless, trying to compare Blagojevich to Perry is more than a little silly.
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Oh, I wasn't comparing the two - there is no valid comparison, IMO. I was answering Sangha's question regarding a governor's power to appoint people to various political positions. The difference is that Texas is Red, and Illinois is blue, and everyone can see which is the better-run state, fiscally speaking. Perry is the longest serving Governor in Texas history, and the voters liked his work enough to keep him in that position. Three of my children and their families live there, and they love it! Why do you think businesses fleeing California and other blue states move to Texas? It's because it's a business-friendly state, among other things, which puts them on some kind of Dem hate list, it appears. Most of the refugees from Katrina that were bused to Texas like it better, and will not move back to Louisiana. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Greetings, nota bene. :2wave:
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Objective Voice said:
Conservative,

I want you to read the opening paragraph from the article I linked to again quoted below then let's discuss:



Not the same as threatening a presidential veto if Congress puts forward a bill the President disagrees with. I'm sure state legislatures have provisions within their Constitutions to overturn a Governor's veto much as Congress has the power to overturn a President's veto, but whenever a President uses his veto threat it's to force Congress to put forward a bill more to his liking, not to force a member of Congress or some member from a department ushered in by laws of Congress. That's the difference here.



Gov. Perry clearly abused his power as Chief Executive simply because he wanted this woman gone, not because he believed that the work she was doing or that of her department was faulty.
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So what? I see nothing here that requires any Governor to have a reason for a veto. Trying to get rid of a political hack if illegal would put a lot of politicians in jail. Threatening a veto is within the rights of any governor. How exactly did Perry abuse his power? Simply wanting a person gone and exercising his veto power are two different issue and even though you and others connect the two it is within the power of any Governor to exercise a veto then the legislature to decide if that veto is valid.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Not the same as threatening a presidential veto if Congress puts forward a bill the President disagrees with. I'm sure state legislatures have provisions within their Constitutions to overturn a Governor's veto much as Congress has the power to overturn a President's veto, but whenever a President uses his veto threat it's to force Congress to put forward a bill more to his liking, not to force a member of Congress or some member from a department ushered in by laws of Congress. That's the difference here.

Gov. Perry clearly abused his power as Chief Executive simply because he wanted this woman gone, not because he believed that the work she was doing or that of her department was faulty.
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You've never seen a President threaten a veto of legislation in order to get Congress to act on an issue of personal interest to the President, such as approving the appointment of a judicial nominee as an example? Why would threatening the veto of legislation to effect an appointment be any different than vetoing legislation to effect a resignation?
 
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shrubnose said:
I understand if Governor Perry is convicted in court he has a serious problem. His political power won't help him there.

Wait and see.
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So again you have no law supporting you thus the allegation is more important than the reality that Governors don't need a reason to veto any legislation.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Conservative said:
So again you have no law supporting you thus the allegation is more important than the reality that Governors don't need a reason to veto any legislation.
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I don't give a damn about the law, I'd just like to see Perry convicted and locked up.

I'll let you worry about the law 24/7, I have better things to do with my time.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
So you confirm your support for using the American judicial system to exact revenge on political enemies?
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Of course he does....Shrub is a progressive authoritarian regardless of what he chose for his "lean"
 
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Objective Voice said:
Maybe so, but the problem here is the tactic Gov. Perry used to force her to resign AND the fact that he threatened to use his veto power before he actually exercised such to force her out. That is the root of this ethics violation: Making the threat to removed someone from their duly elected position and using a power only you have as Chief Executive to affect the outcome you wanted. That's the reason for the indictment, not whether or not you or anyone else believes Rosemary Lehmberg is a drunkard or that she should have resigned.

It's clear abuse of power.

Moreover, by vetoing the bill Gov. Perry withheld funds from a department or division whose job it is to investigate ethics violations. Kinda seems like a contradictory action to me.
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They went after DeLay...he's free. They went after Kay Baily...no conviction, they won't get one for Perry either.

Ronnie Earle was a POS and so is Lehmberg. That whole unit needs to be squashed. it's nothing but a partisan political attack machine disguised using the moron Travis county Leftist jury pool as a watchdog.
 
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Excon said:
What an absurd comment.
No right wingers are excusing thug Brown's actions.
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Can you clear your PM In-Box? I would like to send you a PM on this matter without derailing the thread topic.

Thanks.
 
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shrubnose said:
I don't give a damn about the law, I'd just like to see Perry convicted and locked up.
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Then you are not only dangerous to this country's system, but not too bright as well.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
They are copying Portland Oregon ..Thats sad.
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Keep Austin Weird is the slogan adopted by the Austin Independent Business Alliance to promote small businesses in Austin, Texas. It is intended to promote local businesses and is inspired by comments made by Red Wassenich in 2000 while giving a pledge to an Austin radio station.
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Other cities adopted similar slogans later, such as Portland, Oregon in 2003.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

shrubnose said:
I don't give a damn about the law, I'd just like to see Perry convicted and locked up.

I'll let you worry about the law 24/7, I have better things to do with my time.
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Sure you would because he is a republican and promotes personal responsibility something you don't seem to understand. How in the hell did Perry affect you and your family to generate such hatred? You are part of the problem, no reason for your feelings but you have them and simply cannot change. What is it about people like you that want to spread European socialist misery everywhere in the world? You don't get it and never will but you are jealous and cannot stand anyone or any state having more than you have.
 
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j-mac said:
Then you are not only dangerous to this country's system, but not too bright as well
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That's your opinion, which you are entitled to, and I choose to ignore.



"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Conservative said:
So what? I see nothing here that requires any Governor to have a reason for a veto. Trying to get rid of a political hack if illegal would put a lot of politicians in jail. Threatening a veto is within the rights of any governor. How exactly did Perry abuse his power? Simply wanting a person gone and exercising his veto power are two different issue and even though you and others connect the two it is within the power of any Governor to exercise a veto then the legislature to decide if that veto is valid.
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Conservative,

If Gov. Perry really wanted her gone, why didn't he just fire her? That's also within his power to do as TX Governor, right? So, why didn't he just do it if he believed the office/department she managed was so inept or that this women violated the trust given her by the people who elected her or himself for hiring her? Why go through this veto process to get her out?

You see, you can argue "it was within his right to use his veto power" all you want, but it's very clear the man overstepped his bounds here. The sad thing is yourself and others who are hardcore Conservatives simply refuse to see issues like this one in a rational manner.

(Personal Note: I'm not going to do your homework for you. You live in the great state of Texas. If you want to know what your state's Constitution says on the matter concerning use of the veto by its Governor or its legislature or its laws on ethics violations for that matter, look them up!)
 
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polgara said:
Last I heard he was serving his 14-year sentence, and learning to play a guitar. :lol: If the current trend continues, we're going to have to build more prisons just to house corrupt politicians! Apparently if they're not currently in prison, it's because they haven't been caught yet - and that goes for both sides of the aisle. I wonder if they're still partisan behind bars? :mrgreen:

Greetings, Sangha. :2wave:
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I recommend the xylophone for Perry
 
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Conservative said:
Sure you would because he is a republican
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and promotes personal responsibility something you don't seem to understand. How in the hell did Perry affect you and your family to generate such hatred? You are part of the problem, no reason for your feelings but you have them and simply cannot change. What is it about people like you that want to spread European socialist misery everywhere in the world? You don't get it and never will but you are jealous and cannot stand anyone or any state having more than you have.
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Wrong.

Because he's Rick Perry. Never liked the guy.

In any case, the court will decide this case not you or I.

I'll be mighty happy if they put him under the jail.
 
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disneydude said:
Perry never had a serious shot at the presidency anyway. This just eliminates the teeny tiny chance that he thought he had in the first place. Good riddance to this idiot.
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If he's an " idiot. " what's that make a guy like Jerry Brown ?

At least Rick Perry knows how to run a State, how to build a Strong economy and how to keep his tax base from leaving his State.

Its typical of the left to characterize politicians from the State of Texas as morons.

But it might help your credibility a bit If you people didn't elect ACTUAL morons.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
You've never seen a President threaten a veto of legislation in order to get Congress to act on an issue of personal interest to the President, such as approving the appointment of a judicial nominee as an example? Why would threatening the veto of legislation to effect an appointment be any different than vetoing legislation to effect a resignation?
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There's a difference between threatening to use one's veto power to enact legislation for the benefit of the whole (i.e., nation or state) versus doing so for one's on personal vendetta. That seems to be the case here with Gov. Perry and if it's proven to be the case (which the evidence is surely pointing in that direction), then he should be held accountable for it.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Conservative,

If Gov. Perry really wanted her gone, why didn't he just fire her? That's also within his power to do as TX Governor, right? So, why didn't he just do it if he believed the office/department she managed was so inept or that this women violated the trust given her by the people who elected her or himself for hiring her? Why go through this veto process to get her out?

You see, you can argue "it was within his right to use his veto power" all you want, but it's very clear the man overstepped his bounds here. The sad thing is yourself and others who are hardcore Conservatives simply refuse to see issues like this one in a rational manner.

(Personal Note: I'm not going to do your homework for you. You live in the great state of Texas. If you want to know what your state's Constitution says on the matter concerning use of the veto by its Governor or its legislature or its laws on ethics violations for that matter, look them up!)
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I am going to ask you again, why does it matter that Perry threatened a veto, a veto that can be overturned? This is personal and nothing more. You have no problem destroying the individual because of the liberal ideology

Texas Politics - The Executive Branch

Have no idea where you get your information but there is no reason required for a veto. Suggest you do your own homework
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Objective Voice said:
There's a difference between threatening to use one's veto power to enact legislation for the benefit of the whole (i.e., nation or state) versus doing so for one's on personal vendetta. That seems to be the case here with Gov. Perry and if it's proven to be the case (which the evidence is surely pointing in that direction), then he should be held accountable for it.
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There may be a difference but there is nothing illegal about either.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

shrubnose said:
I don't give a damn about the law, I'd just like to see Perry convicted and locked up.

I'll let you worry about the law 24/7, I have better things to do with my time.
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I think there's an opening for President of Egypt - they operate under similar principles of governance.
 
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sangha said:
I recommend the xylophone for Perry
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If he's indicted, there could be a new band in the making! :mrgreen:
 
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