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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

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We'll see how this works out in court for Perry.

Political power won't help him there.

I sincerely hope his slimy ass goes to prison.
 
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sangha said:
And Governors can appoint people to political positions

How'd that work out for Blago?
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Last I heard he was serving his 14-year sentence, and learning to play a guitar. :lol: If the current trend continues, we're going to have to build more prisons just to house corrupt politicians! Apparently if they're not currently in prison, it's because they haven't been caught yet - and that goes for both sides of the aisle. I wonder if they're still partisan behind bars? :mrgreen:

Greetings, Sangha. :2wave:
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

This is the kind of thing which may boost his value among the hard core GOP zealots purely as a knee-jerk reaction - but it does not help him with any long term presidential aspirations.
 
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To Polgara: Nevertheless, trying to compare Blagojevich to Perry is more than a little silly.
 
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shrubnose said:
It's not the vetoing of a bill that's likely to put a striped jumpsuit on Perry.

It's the reason that he vetoed the bill that's likely to get him sent 'up the river'.
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And why is the reason, publicly stated, an abuse of the law?

Seems to me, Obama has done nothing but threaten vetoes and executive action if Congress doesn't do what he wants to do politically. I appreciate that the federal government in the US doesn't have an independent judiciary, far from it, but promising a political action and carrying it through is something the electorate should be judging, not a court.
 
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danarhea said:
Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prosecutors' funds



All I can say is HOLY CRAP. This is going to be a political crapstorm.

Article is here.
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Yes, while Cuomo gets barely a glance from you....pfft.
 
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shrubnose said:
We'll see how this works out in court for Perry.

Political power won't help him there.

I sincerely hope his slimy ass goes to prison.
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Yes, political prosecutors and charges ruined Tom Delay in Texas and may well ruin Rick Perry as well.

Remarkable that you'd cheer on the politicization of justice in America. Can't beat em at the ballot box, ruin their reputations in court.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Rick Perry is pretty much an idiot and a jackass, but this case is going nowhere. Vetoing a bill is perfectly within the prerogative of a State Governor and no rationale is necessary for the action. Hell, pretty much any President who vetoes a bill does so for political reasons.

Only in America could a politician be indicted for actually keeping a promise and doing what he publicly said he'd do.
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Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Excellent! :thumbs: It's the shock of it that annoys people - who expects a politician to tell the truth? He must be punished for that - it's wrong somehow! :lamo:
 
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sangha said:
And appointing people to political positions is the right of any Governor

How'd that work out for Blago?
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How about answering the question I posed, what have Republicans done that has hurt you and your family creating such hatred. Blago took money for the political appointment
 
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polgara said:
Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Excellent! :thumbs: It's the shock of it that annoys people - who expects a politician to tell the truth? He must be punished for that - it's wrong somehow! :lamo:
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Good morning Lady P.
 
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shrubnose said:
It's not the vetoing of a bill that's likely to put a striped jumpsuit on Perry.

It's the reason that he vetoed the bill that's likely to get him sent 'up the river'.
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Again, I am waiting for you to show me the law that a Governor has to have a reason to veto the bill? Do you understand how the Legislature works?
 
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WCH said:
POLITICAL WITCH HUNT

Limberg is a lush who got away with spending significant time in jail and berated officer involved in her arrest and confinement. She was stopped as she pulled out of a liquor store parking lot and had another full quart in her vehicle.


INTEGRITY ......NOT! She should have resigned
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Maybe so, but the problem here is the tactic Gov. Perry used to force her to resign AND the fact that he threatened to use his veto power before he actually exercised such to force her out. That is the root of this ethics violation: Making the threat to removed someone from their duly elected position and using a power only you have as Chief Executive to affect the outcome you wanted. That's the reason for the indictment, not whether or not you or anyone else believes Rosemary Lehmberg is a drunkard or that she should have resigned.

It's clear abuse of power.

Moreover, by vetoing the bill Gov. Perry withheld funds from a department or division whose job it is to investigate ethics violations. Kinda seems like a contradictory action to me.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Maybe so, but the problem here is the tactic Gov. Perry used to force her to resign AND the fact that he threatened to use his veto power before he actually exercised such to force her out. That is the root of this ethics violation: Making the threat to removed someone from their duly elected position using a power only you have as Chief Executive to oust someone for something they didn't do while not acting in the capacity of their position. That's the reason for the indictment, not whether or not you or anyone else believes Rosemary Lehmberg is a drunkard or that she should have resigned.

It's clear abuse of power.
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Your opinion noted, please show me the law that says what Perry did was illegal? Threatening a veto, a veto that can be overturned by the legislature isn't a violation of the law nor should it be. Obama does it all the time, is that illegal?
 
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Objective Voice said:
Maybe so, but the problem here is the tactic Gov. Perry used to force her to resign AND the fact that he threatened to use his veto power before he actually exercised such to force her out. That is the root of this ethics violation: Making the threat to removed someone from their duly elected position using a power only you have as Chief Executive to oust someone for something they didn't do while not acting in the capacity of their position. That's the reason for the indictment, not whether or not you or anyone else believes Rosemary Lehmberg is a drunkard or that she should have resigned.

It's clear abuse of power.
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Rosemary Lehmberg and her office have been abusing their power for a very long time.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Yes, political prosecutors and charges ruined Tom Delay in Texas and may well ruin Rick Perry as well.

Remarkable that you'd cheer on the politicization of justice in America. Can't beat em at the ballot box, ruin their reputations in court.
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I do think that this is a "Gotcha!" issue and am going to be very curious to learn how Texans respond to the indictment.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
And why is the reason, publicly stated, an abuse of the law?

Seems to me, Obama has done nothing but threaten vetoes and executive action if Congress doesn't do what he wants to do politically. I appreciate that the federal government in the US doesn't have an independent judiciary, far from it, but promising a political action and carrying it through is something the electorate should be judging, not a court.
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But all you ever say is that Bush was an angel and Obama's the devil. I never hear your thoughts on Harper.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
And why is the reason, publicly stated, an abuse of the law?

Seems to me, Obama has done nothing but threaten vetoes and executive action if Congress doesn't do what he wants to do politically. I appreciate that the federal government in the US doesn't have an independent judiciary, far from it,
but promising a political action and carrying it through is something the electorate should be judging, not a court.
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True, but this case will be decided in a court of law and Perry's political power will have little effect on the outcome.
 
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Montecresto said:
But all you ever say is that Bush was an angel and Obama's the devil. I never hear your thoughts on Harper.
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And it does seem that all you do is try to defend the indefensible. We could easily turn this around and point out how many here believe Bush is the devil and Obama can do no wrong. We know both are inconsistent with reality. Bush is no angel and made mistakes, not as bad as the ones liberals want you to believe and the Obama economic and foreign policy results deserve the scrutiny and the negative comments.
 
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Montecresto said:
But all you ever say is that Bush was an angel and Obama's the devil. I never hear your thoughts on Harper.
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And it does seem that all you do is try to defend the indefensible. We could easily turn this around and point out how many here believe Bush is the devil and Obama can do no wrong. We know both are inconsistent with reality. Bush is no angel and made mistakes, not as bad as the ones liberals want you to believe and the Obama economic and foreign policy results deserve the scrutiny and the negative comments.
 
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nota bene said:
I do think that this is a "Gotcha!" issue and am going to be very curious to learn how Texans respond to the indictment.
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A simple reading of the article attached to the OP shows the totality of the politicization of this issue.

1. The prosecutor who struck the grand jury is a Democrat.

2. The prosecutor who struck the grand jury was charged and plead guilty to a DUI in 2013 at which time Perry and others called for her resignation.

3. The grand jury was struck in highly Democrat Austin, even though Texas is overwhelmingly Republican.

It's no wonder Governor Perry sought to rein in this run-away abuser of her office. Would be nice to see a prosecutor in another jurisdiction of Texas investigate this Democrat prosecutor's office and her abuse of power.
 
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Montecresto said:
But all you ever say is that Bush was an angel and Obama's the devil. I never hear your thoughts on Harper.
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Harper is a gift from God, an Arch Angel of the highest order.

How's that?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Yes, political prosecutors and charges ruined Tom Delay in Texas and may well ruin Rick Perry as well.

Remarkable that you'd cheer on the politicization of justice in America. Can't beat em at the ballot box, ruin their reputations in court.
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Tom Delay is one slimy critter that I could never stand.

If he was under the jail right now I'd be a lot happier.
 
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shrubnose said:
True, but this case will be decided in a court of law and Perry's political power will have little effect on the outcome.
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True - and the good citizens of Texas will be saddled with another multi-$million court case that will go nowhere and if, as with Delay, a conviction is handed down, the appeals court will overturn and vacate that decision at a later date. But Mr. Perry's name will be dragged through the mud for a few years and the State will be out for the legal costs of both the State and Perry.

Since it's entirely political, how about the political parties in the State, both Democrat and Republican, fund the legal costs and take the State off the hook? You think the Texas Democrat party would roll the dice if they had to pay for it?
 
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Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, please show me the law that says what Perry did was illegal? Threatening a veto, a veto that can be overturned by the legislature isn't a violation of the law nor should it be. Obama does it all the time, is that illegal?
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Conservative,

I want you to read the opening paragraph from the article I linked to again quoted below then let's discuss:

Gov. Rick Perry continued to work to get Travis County DA Rosemary Lehmberg to resign even after following through on the threat to veto money for the public integrity unit. The Tribune's Terri Langford reported Tuesday night — citing unnamed sources — that Perry through emissaries offered to restore the money if Lehmberg would leave:
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Not the same as threatening a presidential veto if Congress puts forward a bill the President disagrees with. I'm sure state legislatures have provisions within their Constitutions to overturn a Governor's veto much as Congress has the power to overturn a President's veto, but whenever a President uses his veto threat it's to force Congress to put forward a bill more to his liking, not to force a member of Congress or some member from a department ushered in by laws of Congress. That's the difference here.

humbolt said:
Rosemary Lehmberg and her office have been abusing their power for a very long time.
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Gov. Perry clearly abused his power as Chief Executive simply because he wanted this woman gone, not because he believed that the work she was doing or that of her department was faulty.
 
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