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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

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Conservative said:
Yeah, let's win with character assassination since you cannot win at the ballot box in TX
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Well, Rick pretty much shot himself (assassinated) in the 2012 debates with his brain farts, can't believe that some people actually want to see this man become POTUS, he probably can't remember what he had for dinner yesterday.

But personally, I relished the fingerprint/mugshot sequence, the only thing missing was the bright orange jumpsuit.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Well, Rick pretty much shot himself (assassinated) in the 2012 debates with his brain farts, can't believe that some people actually want to see this man become POTUS, he probably can't remember what he had for dinner yesterday.

But personally, I relished the fingerprint/mugshot sequence, the only thing missing was the bright orange jumpsuit.
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If Perry had only kept his mouth shut, he would have finished his office in a few months and that would be that.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
So it would be legal for me, if I were the governor of Texas, to threaten vetoes of legislation unless certain people were to perform sexual favors?
That is a reason which falls under the category of "whatever reason".

See, I don't think that's true.
I think it's blatantly obvious that withholding vetoes for sexual favors is obviously illegal.
So I cannot get on board with the idea that a Gov can veto for any reason whatsoever.



Perry was not charged with "asking for a resignation".
The actual charges are laid out in the indictment.
"Asking for a resignation" is not among the charges.
There are only two charges. Neither one of the charges is "asking for a resignation".

It's totally awesome that you have all of these defenses for Perry.
Unfortunately, most of these defenses you're offering for Perry are defenses for charges which are not being made.


I'll take this opportunity to say again that you have been repeatedly mistaken and are still mistaken about what I think.
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Wow, you just don't get it and apparently never will. this is an act, has to be. Sexual favors would be personal gain for the individual and an ethics violation. Asking for a resignation and not getting it happens all the time in business and in politics. That is far from an ethics violation. There was no personal gain for Perry, NONE. What part of that don't you understand?

The indictment claims Perry abused is power by asking for a resignation and then vetoing legislation. He protected taxpayer money by not authorizing to a department head who was the real ethics violator and also violated the trust of the TX taxpayers. You cannot seem to comprehend who was the violator here.
 
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Texmex said:
If Perry had only kept his mouth shut, he would have finished his office in a few months and that would be that.
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Doesn't matter what Perry said, people like you are going to try to destroy his character as he is a threat to the liberal ideology, a failed ideology that does nothing but spread misery and dependence. You just cannot stand that TX is successful and it is due to conservative principles therefore you have to destroy the governor and promote and support trumped up charges.
 
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I think Perry had zero chance over ever being president and I don't agree with the guy politically at all, but the charges are total BS.
 
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Conservative said:
Doesn't matter what Perry said, people like you are going to try to destroy his character
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It's hard to destroy something someone doesn't have.

as he is a threat to the liberal ideology, a failed ideology that does nothing but spread misery and dependence.
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I'm a liberal, yet you seem to be the one complaining. I'm fat and happy!

You just cannot stand that TX is successful and it is due to conservative principles therefore you have to destroy the governor and promote and support trumped up charges.
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I bet I've been in Texas a lot longer than you have. I was born here in 1952. I believe these conservative principles have done as much bad as they have good. The main reason Texas is successful is due to the dumb luck that oil just happened to be here in this part of the world. Don't get me wrong, this is one liberal who depends on money from oil wells to keep his liberal ass alive. Live is good!
 
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Texmex said:
It could also be that Perry isn't following his lawyer's instructions.
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Since we're guessing, perhaps Perry used the same legal standard that President Obama did when he traded away terrorists from gitmo?
 
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Texmex said:
It's hard to destroy something someone doesn't have.



I'm a liberal, yet you seem to be the one complaining. I'm fat and happy!



I bet I've been in Texas a lot longer than you have. I was born here in 1952. I believe these conservative principles have done as much bad as they have good. The main reason Texas is successful is due to the dumb luck that oil just happened to be here in this part of the world. Don't get me wrong, this is one liberal who depends on money from oil wells to keep his liberal ass alive. Live is good!
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Yep, dumb luck that is driving Fortune 500 Companies outside the Oil Industry to move to TX and thousands of people creating this incredible population growth. Some people simply cannot see the forest because of the trees. You are in that group
 
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AJiveMan said:
Well, Rick pretty much shot himself (assassinated) in the 2012 debates with his brain farts, can't believe that some people actually want to see this man become POTUS, he probably can't remember what he had for dinner yesterday.

But personally, I relished the fingerprint/mugshot sequence, the only thing missing was the bright orange jumpsuit.
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Nothing like character assassination of an individual you don't like on bogus charges where there was no personal gain. Glad to see you are happy for apparently that is all that matters.
 
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Conservative said:
Wow, you just don't get it and apparently never will. this is an act, has to be. Sexual favors would be personal gain for the individual and an ethics violation.
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So the governor cannot veto something for "whatever reason" then, yes?
It's possible that the governor could threaten to veto something and that threat could be a crime.
Kind of trashes your assertion that a gov can veto for "whatever reason".
It's clear that vetoes and veto threats have limits.

Conservative said:
Asking for a resignation and not getting it happens all the time in business and in politics. That is far from an ethics violation. There was no personal gain for Perry, NONE. What part of that don't you understand?
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I don't understand why you keep talking about things which Perry is not accused of and then defending him against those non-existent charges.
Perry was not indicted for asking for a resignation.
I can link to the indictment if you would like to see what Perry was actually charged with if you would like to read the indictment.

Conservative said:
The indictment claims Perry abused is power by asking for a resignation and then vetoing legislation.
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The indictment actually does NOT claim that Perry asked for anyone's resignation, iirc.
You're getting warmer, though.
 
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ocean515 said:
Since we're guessing, perhaps Perry used the same legal standard that President Obama did when he traded away terrorists from gitmo?
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I don't know. This thread is about Perry, not Obama.
 
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Conservative said:
Yep, dumb luck that is driving Fortune 500 Companies outside the Oil Industry to move to TX and thousands of people creating this incredible population growth. Some people simply cannot see the forest because of the trees. You are in that group
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I understand your frustration. I have worked my life in Houston, TX; I've got family and friends here, but I cannot wait until early next year when I can move to Colorado. I will enjoy visiting Texas, but I will be glad to finally leave.
 
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Texmex said:
I understand your frustration. I have worked my life in Houston, TX; I've got family and friends here, but I cannot wait until early next year when I can move to Colorado. I will enjoy visiting Texas, but I will be glad to finally leave.
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Frustration? LOL, I am sure the people of TX will be so sad to see you go. I moved to TX in 92 and it was the best move I have ever made. Colorado is a lovely state and a great state to visit. You are going to love the taxes there and the cost of living. I have visited every state in the country and have yet to find anything like it is here. The old adage that the grass is greener on the other side until you get there holds true, but of course in Colorado the grass is brown and you smoke it. Maybe that is why you want to move there.
 
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MTAtech said:
It is said that things are difficult to understand when one is invested in not understanding.

Rick Perry is charged with one count of abuse of official capacity -- a first-degree felony (that's 5 to 99 years in prison) when the amount of government property misused is over $200,000 (as is alleged here), and one count of coercion of a public servant, a third-degree felony (2 to 10 years.)

The basis for the allegations stemmed out of Travis County DA Rosemary Lehmberg's drunk-driving arrest back in April 2013. Lehmberg plead guilty and was sentenced to jail time and a fine. Rick Perry demanded that she resign, and threaten to withhold funding from the Public Integrity Unit -- a division of the Travis County DA's office that is charged with investigating and prosecuting state officials and lawmakers -- if she did not resign. She did not resign, and Perry followed up by vetoing state funding for the unit.

Perry didn't demand a resignation from former Cameron County DA Armando Villalobos, who was taking payola. Lehmberg's office is in charge of investigating ethics violations by state officials and lawmakers. Were Lehmberg to resign, Perry would be allowed to appoint a replacement to serve until the next regularly-scheduled election. It sure looks as if Lehmberg was, in her official capacity, investigating people Perry didn't want investigated. Using Perry's veto threat to coerce a resignation is improper and may also be obstruction of justice.
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Kaufman County D.A. Rick Harrison (R) drove the wrong way into traffic and was found guilty of drunk driving in 2009

Swisher County DA Terry McEachern (R), was convicted of a DUI in 2003.

Neither seemed to catch the attention of Perry.

Whether the indifference to those two was because of the 'R' behind their name or the fact that they weren't heading up an investigative unit looking into the Texas Cancer Research and Prevention Institute - in which a former high-ranking official was indicted on a state felony in connection with a $11 million grant and is one of Perry's pet projects - is unknown at this time.
 
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BWG said:
Kaufman County D.A. Rick Harrison (R) drove the wrong way into traffic and was found guilty of drunk driving in 2009

Swisher County DA Terry McEachern (R), was convicted of a DUI in 2003.

Neither seemed to catch the attention of Perry.

Whether the indifference to those two was because of the 'R' behind their name or the fact that they weren't heading up an investigative unit looking into the Texas Cancer Research and Prevention Institute - in which a former high-ranking official was indicted on a state felony in connection with a $11 million grant and is one of Perry's pet projects - is unknown at this time.
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All the cards will be laid out on the table during Perry's trial. At this time, Perry is indicted, which does not mean that he is convicted. Innocent until proven guilty. Just because there was probable cause to indict him does not mean that there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. That will be determined by the court.
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I think Perry had zero chance over ever being president and I don't agree with the guy politically at all, but the charges are total BS.
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There's lots of money to be made by running for POTUS or just by being in politics generally. Ask Rick Perry...;)
 
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danarhea said:
All the cards will be laid out on the table during Perry's trial. At this time, Perry is indicted, which does not mean that he is convicted. Innocent until proven guilty. Just because there was probable cause to indict him does not mean that there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. That will be determined by the court.
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Never said or claimed any different.:)
 
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Perry's high priced attorney is getting paid 450+ per hour by the state. I think we had to foot the bill for blago too. Its time we stop subsidizing corruption and make these guys pay for their own lawyers.
 
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Conservative said:
Frustration? LOL, I am sure the people of TX will be so sad to see you go. I moved to TX in 92 and it was the best move I have ever made. Colorado is a lovely state and a great state to visit. You are going to love the taxes there and the cost of living. I have visited every state in the country and have yet to find anything like it is here. The old adage that the grass is greener on the other side until you get there holds true, but of course in Colorado the grass is brown and you smoke it. Maybe that is why you want to move there.
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I will always love Texas, it's my home state. I do look forward to moving though. BTW, it's the brown weed people here in Texas are forced to contend with. Most of it comes from Mexico and is compacted and smuggled in. The weed in Colorado is green and fresh.

You mentioned moving here in 1992. The Texas I grew up in is not the same as when you moved here. I was more comfortable decades ago than now. I am glad you have found this state to your liking. I hope you prosper and enjoy every minute you live here. There are a lot of great people here on both sides of the aisle.
 
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danarhea said:
All the cards will be laid out on the table during Perry's trial. At this time, Perry is indicted, which does not mean that he is convicted. Innocent until proven guilty. Just because there was probable cause to indict him does not mean that there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. That will be determined by the court.
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A very eloquent strawman; well done ;)
 
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Karl said:
A very eloquent strawman; well done ;)
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How is that a straw man? It happens to be the way our system works.
 
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danarhea said:
How is that a straw man? [...]
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I'm here to observe and comment, not to dispense remedial education or debate the obvious.

Google is your friend if you are truly in search of enlightenment ;)
 
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Karl said:
I'm here to observe and comment, not to dispense remedial education or debate the obvious.

Google is your friend if you are truly in search of enlightenment ;)
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In any state, an indictment is given if there is probable cause. Since there was probable cause, Perry was indicted. However, during trial, the bar is higher for conviction, which may or may not happen, depending on the evidence that will be presented. Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt is a much higher bar than probable cause.
 
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