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Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat [W:613/629]

Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Yes, she did, but was it conducted in the performance of her duties?

You see, an elected official can be charged with misconduct and such could be applied her performance on and off duty. But that's not the charge levied against her. Her's is public intoxication. As such, was she drinking on or off the clock?

It may sound like semantics, but it really isn't. Regardless, I agree that she should have resigned. However, I disagree that she should be forced to do so by the TX Governor.

I agree - but she wasn't forced to resign by the TX Governor, was she?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

You don't see how cutting the budget to the office she had a duty to oversee made doing her job more difficult? I'm sure you see what Gov. Perry did as using the power of the purse. I'd take the position as well IF the funding cut was done due to necessary budgetary reductions, but it wasn't.

You don't see how the Governor of any given state making public statements that equate to "either you'll leave office or I'll force you out" and then following through with that forceful action as a problem? If that's not a clear violation of ethics, I don't know what is. But that's in effect what Gov. Perry did. It's unfortunate that on the one hand you see what Gov. Perry (R) did as right and just, but you condemn President Obama (D) when he makes similar veto threats only they aren't made to force someone to resign from their duly elected position. But I think I understand now why you see Gov. Perry's actions as just.

It comes down to the power of the purse. If Congress can do it to the President to render him ineffective, why not a Governor (of a Republican-held state)?

I actually had a large budget and faced cuts all the time, did more with less. Still waiting for you to explain to me how her job was threatened because she faced a budget cut?

In fact the Congress did cut the President's budget, he proposed a 3.9 trillion dollar budget that got zero votes. The power of the purse works well in TX which is why we don't have debt, have a strong economy, massive population growth, large job growths. No wonder Democrats want to destroy Perry as he is making them look bad but then again that really isn't that hard to do.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

No he should have cut funding then when asked explained his action. Instead he used threats and the DA of Travis county called him on it.

Now I am not going to argue that this isn't politics as usual, but Perry walked himself into this problem.

As I've said previously, it's sad that some people consider it wrong for a politician to be honest with the public about what his actions/intentions are and then he keeps that promise.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

No, but that is what Gov. Perry is trying to do.

And that is a problem for you why? She wasn't forced to resign so how was she hurt? You claim to run a business, did you ever cut a department's budget and if so what happened?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

No, but that is what Gov. Perry is trying to do.

Ask President Obama what he is doing to affect change using the powers of his office. And just as a side note, isn't it true that President Obama has threatened vetoes or refused to have legislation considered in exchange for getting some of his appointments through Congress? Is there a difference, in principle?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

As I've said previously, it's sad that some people consider it wrong for a politician to be honest with the public about what his actions/intentions are and then he keeps that promise.

Well like I said there is a legal question that has been raised. The courts will decide...
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Yes, I looked. The stories are all about the present, partially or even largely unknown facts of the indictment. So that'd be parroting the biased lame stream media then.
The indictment is public record (last line of Count 1 didn't get faxed/scanned properly and is missing a few words):

The State of Texas v. James Richard "Rick" Perry

INDICTMENT

Count I - Abuse of Official Capacity 39.02 DPS 23990064
Count II - Coercion of Public Servant 36.03 DPS 13990027
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In the 390th Judicial District Court of Travis County, Texas

IN THE NAME AND BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:

THE GRAND JURY for the County of Travis, State of Texas, duly selected, empaneled, sworn, charged, and organized as such at the January 2014 Term, A.D., of
the 390th Judicial District Court for said County, upon its oath presents in and to said Court at said term, that in Travis County, Texas, and anterior to the presentment of this indictment, James Richard "Rick" Perry, committed the following offenses:

Count I
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On or about June 14, 2013, in the County of Travis, Texas, James Richard "Rick" Perry, with intent to harm another, to-wit, Rosemary Lehmberg and the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office, intentionally or knowingly misused government property by dealing with such property contrary to an agreement under which defendant held such property or contrary to the oath of office he took as a public servant, such government property being monies having a value of in excess of $200,000 which were approved and authorized by the Legislature of the State of Texas to fund the continued operation of the Public Integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's ... defendant's office as a public servant, namely, ...

Count II
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Beginning on or about June 10, 2013, and continuing through June 14, 2013, in the County of Travis, Texas, by means of coercion, to-wit: threatening to veto legislation that had been approved and authorized by the Legislature of the State of Texas to provide funding for the continued operation of the Public integrity Unit of the Travis County District Attorney's Office unless Travis County District Attorney Rosemary Lehmberg resigned from her official position as elected District Attorney, James Richard "Rick" Perry, intentionally or knowingly influenced or attempted to influence Rosemary Lehmberg, a public servant, namely, the elected District Attorney for Travis County, Texas, in the specifIc performance of her official duty, to-wit: the duty to continue to carry out her responsibilities as the elected District Attorney for the County of Travis, Texas through the completion of her elected term of office, and the defendant and Rosemary Lehmberg were not members of the same governing body of a governmental entity, such offense having been committed by defendant, a public servant, while acting in an official capacity as a public servant.

AGAINST THE PEACE AND DIGNITY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.

signed
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Foreperson of the Grand Jury

https://lintvkxan.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/rick-perry-indictment.pdf
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

And that is a problem for you why? She wasn't forced to resign so how was she hurt? You claim to run a business, did you ever cut a department's budget and if so what happened?

You just explained why the governor is being indicted on this. He doesn't have the authority to force her to resign.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Who was punished outside of the legal system?
The attempt was made. If you attempt to rob a bank or steal a car, but are unsuccessful, did you break the law?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The indictment is public record (last line of Count 1 didn't get faxed/scanned properly and is missing a few words):

Wow, threatening to veto legislation which is within the authority of the Governor, why lock him up, hang him? What a bunch of bs. The Legislature passed a budget, the Governor has line item veto authority and exercised it. You aren't going to like the court's decision but apparently a bunch of like people like you hope beyond hope for a conviction
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

I actually had a large budget and faced cuts all the time, did more with less. Still waiting for you to explain to me how her job was threatened because she faced a budget cut?

Let's see...

Travel expenses for those under her cognizance, serving warrants, possible reduction in force of investigative staff and that's off the top of my head. I'm not familiar with all this office does. So, I'd be hard pressed to provide a more comprehensive list of other ways a funding reduction might negatively impact this office (PIU).

You've mentioned that DA Lehmberg's salary wasn't part of the funding reduction in the bill Gov. Perry vetoed. You're correct in that her salary wasn't specifically mentioned in the court document covering the charges levied against him, but the $200,000 dollar amount may be telling. Care to guess how much DA Lehmberg's annual salary is?

Per the Texas Tribune, $125,000 (last updated 2/27/2013). So, if her salary is actually part of the PUI's annual budget, her salary likely would have been impacted.

The rest of your post is irrelevant to me as I fully understand how Congress can and has used the power of the purse to pressure a sitting President bend to their will just as Presidents have used their veto threat to pressure Congress to act accordingly.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The attempt was made. If you attempt to rob a bank or steal a car, but are unsuccessful, did you break the law?

Attempted robbery is a crime and punishable, not vetoing legislation. Noticed you ran when you were told that the DA didn't lose her job only some funding. You seem to have a problem with Perry saving taxpayer dollars
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Well like I said there is a legal question that has been raised. The courts will decide...

The point is, from my perspective, the courts have no business deciding such issues.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Let's see...

Travel expenses for those under her cognizance, serving warrants, possible reduction in force of investigative staff and that's off the top of my head. I'm not familiar with all this office does. So, I'd be hard pressed to provide a more comprehensive list of other ways a funding reduction might negatively impact this office (PIU).

You've mentioned that DA Lehmberg's salary wasn't part of the funding reduction in the bill Gov. Perry vetoed. You're correct in that her salary wasn't specifically mentioned in the court document covering the charges levied against him, but the $200,000 dollar amount may be telling. Care to guess how much DA Lehmberg's annual salary is?

Per the Texas Tribune, $125,000 (last updated 2/27/2013). So, if her salary is actually part of the PUI's annual budget, her salary likely would have been impacted.

The rest of your post is irrelevant to me as I fully understand how Congress can and has used the power of the purse to pressure a sitting President bend to their will just as Presidents have used their veto threat to pressure Congress to act accordingly.

No, sorry, that was a typo her salary wasn't affected at all. She was a DA and managed the budget, her salary was exempt
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The indictment is public record (last line of Count 1 didn't get faxed/scanned properly and is missing a few words):

The actual language of the indictment makes zero sense and is probably why most independent people and legal types call it a reach at best and an abuse of process, not by Perry, but by the special prosecutor.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Ask President Obama what he is doing to affect change using the powers of his office. And just as a side note, isn't it true that President Obama has threatened vetoes or refused to have legislation considered in exchange for getting some of his appointments through Congress? Is there a difference, in principle?

The difference is he never used his veto power to force another duly elected official to resign from their position nor did he act on such a threat which purposely reduced funding to a specific department or program for the sole purpose of attempting to pressure said duly elected official to resign their position. That's the difference.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The difference is he never used his veto power to force another duly elected official to resign from their position nor did he act on such a threat which purposely reduced funding to a specific department or program for the sole purpose of attempting to pressure said duly elected official to resign their position. That's the difference.

Sorry - look at the indictment presented above. It says that Perry acted illegally by coercing the DA in the performance of her duties - that's the charge. How is it any different when a President tells Congress that he will veto a bill if they include some language or don't include some language? Isn't the President coercing an outcome by using the power of his office?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

No, sorry, that was a typo her salary wasn't affected at all. She was a DA and managed the budget, her salary was exempt

The same "typo" the President and Democrats claimed was made in the PPACA? :lamo :lamo

Pot, meet kettle...kettle, meet pot. You crack me up! :lamo :lamo
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The indictment is public record (last line of Count 1 didn't get faxed/scanned properly and is missing a few words):

All that is just claims by the DA filed for the court proceedings, all of which have yet to stand up in court and be proven.
Asserting that the side you favor's claims are facts now? How is that any different than 'don't believe your lying eyes, believe what I tell you'?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Just wanted to say thanks everyone for the interesting and civil discussion of the issues today. I'm off for the night.

Have fun and enjoy.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

No matter how many times you try to spin and shuffle....the facts speak for themselves Con. How does it feel being in the same class as Mississippi when it comes to the lowest wages in the country? You must be proud!

LOL Con.....Texas has the lowest wages in the country....in fact 13% of all the minimum age workers in America live in Texas. This is the result of your state giving away tons of corporate welfare....which is good for the corporations and their shareholders....not so much for the workers.
Texas has nation
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

Sorry - look at the indictment presented above. It says that Perry acted illegally by coercing the DA in the performance of her duties - that's the charge. How is it any different when a President tells Congress that he will veto a bill if they include some language or don't include some language? Isn't the President coercing an outcome by using the power of his office?

Indeed. Observation made with clarity of thought. Well done.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

The same "typo" the President and Democrats claimed was made in the PPACA? :lamo :lamo

Pot, meet kettle...kettle, meet pot. You crack me up! :lamo :lamo

No, I left out the words her salary wasn't cut. I believe honest individuals here understand that cutting the budget normally doesn't affect the Department Heads own salary, You really don't seem to grasp the concept that she was given the choice to resign or face a budget cut. She chose the budget cut and there is nothing wrong with that
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry indicted for abuse of power for carrying out threat to veto prose

LOL Con.....Texas has the lowest wages in the country....in fact 13% of all the minimum age workers in America live in Texas. This is the result of your state giving away tons of corporate welfare....which is good for the corporations and their shareholders....not so much for the workers.
Texas has nation

That is a lie, 13% of minimum wage workers don't live in TX, your state has 1.6 million of them

I understand your love for your state but it isn't called the "Land of Fruits and Nuts" by accident. It is an economic disaster which doesn't seem to bother you
Kind of goes with the cost of living in TX which is quite a bit lower than California so now are you changing your tune? Corporate welfare isn't a gift, it is an investment that allows businesses to keep more of what they earn which normally they grow their employment with. Still waiting for you to explain why so many are moving to TX, businesses and employees?
 
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