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Navy reverses Bible ban

ObamacareFail said:
If any hotel chain had a practice of banning the Gideon bibles in their rooms, such as Travelodge in the UK currently does, I would personally boycott that chain.
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Then do that. You don't have to stay at the Navy Lodge, even if you are in the military, in most cases (sometimes you are just out of luck). But that is your choice. Personally I think it is stupid to boycott or call for a boycott of a place just for refusing to provide you with a Bible in your room.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Who cares about appearance? The reality is that the bibles are donated. You cannot discriminate merely based on perception.
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The government, the SCOTUS, the military (appearance is big in the military), and other people who are not Christian, for a start. There is no discrimination involved in refusing to provide a Bible or any other book to a person so long as they aren't doing it for anyone.
 
ObamacareFail said:
That's because you do not understand the first amendment to the US constitution. Banning the bible even in government rooms is a violation of that amendment.
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No. You misunderstand what this is about. No one is banning Bibles from hotel rooms, even Navy hotel rooms. What was going on was Bibles were not being provided in the rooms of the Navy Lodge. People were completely free to bring their own Bibles to read for themselves. Not providing Bibles in Navy run hotel rooms in no way violates any part of the US Constitution.
 
voyager1 said:
No it doesn't make a difference. When you wear the uniform you are defending the rights of all
Americans. If you can't do that the you have no business wearing a uniform. However the armed forced does have religious services for the people serving, but the military welcomes all who is willing to take the oath to defend the Constitution. When religion becomes a prerequisite then problems arise, just look at the issues the USAF has had.
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Strawman. There is no prerequisite.
 
roguenuke said:
Then do that. You don't have to stay at the Navy Lodge, even if you are in the military, in most cases (sometimes you are just out of luck). But that is your choice. Personally I think it is stupid to boycott or call for a boycott of a place just for refusing to provide you with a Bible in your room.
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You are not getting it. The hotels are not providing the bibles. They are donated. I am not asking for the hotel to provide a bible and they have never done so. Gideons is providing them. What I am saying is, if a given hotel chain bans those donated bibles from the rooms, I would boycott that given chain. I also boycott Target department stores because they ban the Salvation Army bell ringers around Christmas time.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You are not getting it. The hotels are not providing the bibles. They are donated. I am not asking for the hotel to provide a bible and they have never done so. Gideons is providing them. What I am saying is, if a given hotel chain bans those donated bibles from the rooms, I would boycott that given chain. I also boycott Target department stores because they ban the Salvation Army bell ringers around Christmas time.
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It doesn't matter. You have no right to a Bible be provided for you, even by some other group besides the hotel you are staying at. It doesn't matter if they want to. Their religious beliefs are not being restricted and neither are yours by not putting that Bible in those hotel rooms.

You are personally able to boycott whoever you want for whatever reason, but that does not mean that what they are doing is unconstitutional, violates the First Amendment, as you claimed.
 
roguenuke said:
The government, the SCOTUS, the military (appearance is big in the military), and other people who are not Christian, for a start. There is no discrimination involved in refusing to provide a Bible or any other book to a person so long as they aren't doing it for anyone.
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The vast majority of Americans are Christians. I am betting that in the middle east....copies of the Koran are probably left in hotel rooms. If I were staying in a hotel in Kuwait, I would not be offended by that. And a muslim living in or visiting a hotel in this country should not be offended by a bible in the room. But that is a quirk with progressives......looking for a way to be offended.
 
roguenuke said:
It doesn't matter. You have no right to a Bible be provided for you, even by some other group besides the hotel you are staying at. It doesn't matter if they want to. Their religious beliefs are not being restricted and neither are yours by not putting that Bible in those hotel rooms.

You are personally able to boycott whoever you want for whatever reason, but that does not mean that what they are doing is unconstitutional, violates the First Amendment, as you claimed.
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It matters perfectly. If the government is not providing the bibles or called for the donation of the bibles then there is no issue in the books being provided. It is just individuals deciding to donate bibles on their own free will.
 
roguenuke said:
It doesn't matter. You have no right to a Bible be provided for you, even by some other group besides the hotel you are staying at. It doesn't matter if they want to. Their religious beliefs are not being restricted and neither are yours by not putting that Bible in those hotel rooms.

You are personally able to boycott whoever you want for whatever reason, but that does not mean that what they are doing is unconstitutional, violates the First Amendment, as you claimed.
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Well, sport. I am sitting in a hotel room right now....and I certainly do appreciate that a Gideon bible was left in the room. And I don't care who is offended.
 
Btw, at what point did congress pass a law establishing a state religion? They didn't. Seriously, do people even read the first amendment before running their mouths about it?
 
roguenuke said:
No. You misunderstand what this is about. No one is banning Bibles from hotel rooms, even Navy hotel rooms. What was going on was Bibles were not being provided in the rooms of the Navy Lodge. People were completely free to bring their own Bibles to read for themselves. Not providing Bibles in Navy run hotel rooms in no way violates any part of the US Constitution.
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Whatever. In the US, the Gideon bibles being left is a long standing tradition that has lasted for over a century. And I will boycott any hotel chain that bans the donated bibles from being left in a room. My own bible was given to me in the late 1960s. I appreciate not having to transport it on planes, trains, and automobiles all of these years. It would be very dog eared by now.
 
Henrin said:
It matters perfectly. If the government is not providing the bibles or called for the donation of the bibles then there is no issue in the books being provided. It is just individuals deciding to donate bibles on their own free will.
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It is where they are, who is providing them. It really isn't the Gideons, it is the military lodging agency providing them, even if they didn't actually pay for them. That is the issue, and it is an issue to some people.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Well, sport. I am sitting in a hotel room right now....and I certainly do appreciate that a Gideon bible was left in the room. And I don't care who is offended.
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So what? It doesn't matter if you want one, that doesn't mean you are entitled to have one in your room.
 
ObamacareFail said:
The vast majority of Americans are Christians. I am betting that in the middle east....copies of the Koran are probably left in hotel rooms. If I were staying in a hotel in Kuwait, I would not be offended by that. And a muslim living in or visiting a hotel in this country should not be offended by a bible in the room. But that is a quirk with progressives......looking for a way to be offended.
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Then at sometime in the future when you open that drawer and alongside the Gideons Bible, is the Torah, Koran, Apocrypha, Tripitakas, Bhagavad Gita, Avesta, Book of Mormon, and the Wiccan Bible you will not be upset.

Because the government couldn't accept one and not all the rest as long as someone provided them free of cost.
 
Crosscheck said:
Then at sometime in the future when you open that drawer and alongside the Gideons Bible, is the Torah, Koran, Apocrypha, Tripitakas, Bhagavad Gita, Avesta, Book of Mormon, and the Wiccan Bible you will not be upset.

Because the government couldn't accept one and not all the rest as long as someone provided them free of cost.
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The only reason it currently might appear as bias is because no one is providing the others free of cost.
 
The Mark said:
The only reason it currently might appear as bias is because no one is providing the others free of cost.
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No one else is providing them free YET. Don't know if any will but they would have a right to now. Many here are doing a happy dance for the decision to allow the bibles in the rooms may do a different dance when the Queen James Gay Bible is laying on top of the King James Bible.

May never happen but they certainly have that legal right.
 
A bible should not be provided to you period if you are working for the United States Federal Government.
 
Crosscheck said:
No one else is providing them free YET. Don't know if any will but they would have a right to now. Many here are doing a happy dance for the decision to allow the bibles in the rooms may do a different dance when the Queen James Gay Bible is laying on top of the King James Bible.

May never happen but they certainly have that legal right.
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I was speaking in the present tense.

So I agree.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
A bible should not be provided to you period if you are working for the United States Federal Government.
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Both the title and the discussion is misleading.

No provision of bibles by any government organization has occurred.
 
roguenuke said:
So what? It doesn't matter if you want one, that doesn't mean you are entitled to have one in your room.
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However I am entitled to patronize whichever hotel chain I please based on what I want.
 
Crosscheck said:
Then at sometime in the future when you open that drawer and alongside the Gideons Bible, is the Torah, Koran, Apocrypha, Tripitakas, Bhagavad Gita, Avesta, Book of Mormon, and the Wiccan Bible you will not be upset.

Because the government couldn't accept one and not all the rest as long as someone provided them free of cost.
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Such a silly strawman argument. The hotels wisely choose to accept the Gideons bible based on the fact that the majority of Americans are Christians. No offense intended to all other religions.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
A bible should not be provided to you period if you are working for the United States Federal Government.
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Perhaps someday you will understand the 1st amendment to the US constitution.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Such a silly strawman argument. The hotels wisely choose to accept the Gideons bible based on the fact that the majority of Americans are Christians. No offense intended to all other religions.
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Is it really that silly. You deny my gift of the Wiccan bible to your rooms and I bet you I will have a line of lawyers waiting in line to sue them. Especially a government facility.

Am just sayn.
 
In any hotel room where I've ever seen a Gideon Bible, it was tucked away out of sight in a drawer. Assuming that's also where they were in this case, this doesn't even begin to be an unconstitutional endorsement of Christianity by the Navy. Hell, it wasn't unconstitutional for Ohio to let the Ku Klux Klan put up a large Christian cross, and nearby a Klan cross, on public land right across from the state capitol building. Don't try to tell me the Navy can't put a damn Gideon bible in each room of a lodge.

Having seen hundreds of soi-disant liberals show their abysmal ignorance of constitutional law, I'm never surprised to see the most trivial thing start them shrieking about someone's supposed constitutional rights. But their concern about those rights is curiously selective. Their outrage over this Bible issue, just like their outrage over the Hobby Lobby decision, shows what disdain they have for the free exercise of religion.
 
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