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Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

Moot said:
Really and what was the "lawful investigation" about in the Brown case, Lutherf? Was it over a pack of cigarellos, perhaps?


In Garners case he was stopped because why? Oh he had a record of selling untaxed cigarettes, you say?


In both cases tobacco was indeed the instigating factor to stop and question Garner and Brown.
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OK. Great. Smoking is bad for your health and in these two cases it's apparently deadly. Congratulations, you're right.:roll:
 
reinoe said:
The recent announcement is that the store video had absolutely no bearing on why Brown was stopped.

Like I said earlier: the video has nothing to do with anything except trolling. And of course the usual suspects come crawling out from under the rocks to spout their bull****.
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your kidding yourself by making such an absurd argument.

You think if they had video of this guy helping an old lady across the street 5 minutes before the shooting YOU and all the media pundits wouldn't be shouting "LOOK, what a great citizen and wonderful human being he was. HERE IS PROOF."

but instead, we have video showing what a piece of human garbage this guy was, and what a DANGER he was to the average citizen(anyone who gets physical with an old man is the worst kind of coward), now you want to argue it doesn't make any difference.

you people take the cake, honestly
 
Wiggen said:
Great argument, except the cop didn't know anything about the robbery. There goes that justification for killing.
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Let's see a cop with a spotless record vs a thief. Hmm!
 
tres borrachos said:
Not anyone. I'm not capable of it.
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I wouldn't say so. I would say that under most normal situations you would be very unlikely to do so. But as a statement of absolute? I don't know, perhaps there could be scenarios in which it could happen.
 
Wiggen said:
Great argument, except the cop didn't know anything about the robbery. There goes that justification for killing.
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According to the radio interview by someone associated with the cop he got the call about the robbery at roughly the same as he was telling Brown and his companion to get out of the middle of the street.
 
JoeTrumps said:
your kidding yourself by making such an absurd argument.

You think if they had video of this guy helping an old lady across the street 5 minutes before the shooting YOU and all the media pundits wouldn't be shouting "LOOK, what a great citizen and wonderful human being he was. HERE IS PROOF."

but instead, we have video showing what a piece of human garbage this guy was, and what a DANGER he was to the average citizen(anyone who gets physical with an old man is the worst kind of coward), now you want to argue it doesn't make any difference.

you people take the cake, honestly
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No, people like you who value cigars over human life take the cake.
 
Ikari said:
Also true. There are many caveats that could be explored. My main contention, however, was to contest the notion those shot by police owe it 100% to themselves for having been shot.
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I guess we could do another lap around the may-pole on this. If those people weren't anywhere near the police, they wouldn't have been shot by them, so it's 100% their fault.

Ok. I get your point.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Not getting out of the street is a capital offence?
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No, but assaulting a police officer and trying to take his gun can get you killed.

Since Brown is confirmed to be a thief, it looks like karma caught with his ass. :shrug:
 
Lutherf said:
According to the radio interview by someone associated with the cop he got the call about the robbery at roughly the same as he was telling Brown and his companion to get out of the middle of the street.
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'Somebody associated with the cop'? No thanks, I'm not buying that one. It's an attempt to justify an unjustifiable act. Cops are famous for lying like hell to protect their own.
 
reinoe said:
Wasn't your point that bringing up things that have nothing to do with the topic at hand could be used to justify tainting the character of someone?
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No. Hasn't your point been to try and reject things that do relate to the topic at hand?
 
Ikari said:
I wouldn't say so. I would say that under most normal situations you would be very unlikely to do so. But as a statement of absolute? I don't know, perhaps there could be scenarios in which it could happen.
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I can make the statement as an absolute, Ikari. The ONLY reason I would shoot someone is if my life or my kids' lives were in danger. I could never shoot anyone just to shoot the person. Yes, I say that with absolute conviction, more than I could state I would never cheat on my husband, never lie to my boss, never steal, and never run naked through Central Park.
 
apdst said:
No, but assaulting a police officer and trying to take his gun can get you killed.

Since Brown is confirmed to be a thief, it looks like karma caught with his ass. :shrug:
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Try to restrain your joy at the notion of one of your 'brothers' :)lamo) being killed.
 
Excon said:
As some one pointed out earlier, the Officer may have come to that knowledge during their interaction.


A third person recounting of what they were told by the Officer, seems to confirm this.






As in a thread started by Josie.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...shot-michael-brown-calls-into-radio-show.html
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I'm not interested in hearsay or speculation. I'm interested in facts. The only facts everyone agrees on right now is that Brown was unarmed, that he was shot several times and that he died.
 
danarhea said:
There is a video of a black guy assaulting the store clerk. Yea, I know, I know, they all look alike. Right?
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At least someone gets it. These reich-wing racists are trying to hide what we all know. And that is that soft-spoken Michael, the innocent young black man murdered by that bloodthirsty white fascist cop, had a hell-raising twin brother, Marquel. And that was Marquel acting up again on that video, not Michael.

Sure, there's no birth certificate for Marquel, but he was born under unusual circumstances--too long a story to go into here. And there are no school records, because Marquel never gone to no school. Same with medical and dental records--he didn't need doctors, because he was healthy as a horse. And Marquel hated the very idea of going to a dentist.

So if you want to job a black man for this, go find Marquel, and hang it on him. He's around someplace. Nothing but a damn box of cigars anyway--if they've got to make a big fuss about that, give him a couple hours community service or something. Power to the people! Black power! Down with the man!
 
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Arcana XV said:
I'm not interested in hearsay or speculation. I'm interested in facts. The only facts everyone agrees on right now is that Brown was unarmed, that he was shot several times and that he died.
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Those are the ONLY facts we know right now, correct. Which is why the people making accusations against either the cop or Brown are basing their posts on assumptions, not facts.
 
tres borrachos said:
I can make the statement as an absolute, Ikari. The ONLY reason I would shoot someone is if my life or my kids' lives were in danger. I could never shoot anyone just to shoot the person. Yes, I say that with absolute conviction, more than I could state I would never cheat on my husband, never lie to my boss, never steal, and never run naked through Central Park.
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What if someone stole food from your starving kids?
 
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