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Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

Until more facts come out, the only thing the video shows is someone (not verified it was Brown) stealing and possibly assault. That in and of itself is not enough to justify a cop shooting Brown eight times.

However if (big if) that was Brown and it's verified - and if more facts come out in favor of the cop, it may have been a justifiable shooting. We just don't know yet. What that big if will also do if verified, will show that the innocent black man story was contrived and propagandized to make a racial issue out of the incident. How about we just wait and see if the cop was dirty and deserves murder charges or if Brown was shot justifiably.
 
iliveonramen said:
If Michael Brown pointed a gun at the officer would the officer of had cause to shoot Michael Brown?

People at the Bundy Ranch trained guns on Federal Officers.

We're talking about the escalation of force here...when is it warranted and when is it not.

Michael Brown (according to reports) was told to comply and refused

Bundy was told to comply and refused.
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Alleged...speculated...unconfirmed reports...

The haters are really doing everything they can do to make this innocent person seem guilty.
 
Manc Skipper said:
It's not uncommon with this force.

This innocent man was mistakenly arrested, but having already been beaten up by them, was charged with bleeding on their uniforms...

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The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie - The Daily Beast
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And this has what to do with Ferguson today?
 
j-mac said:
Does this change how those defending Brown's friends versions perceive the lead up to the altercation between Brown and the police?
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I imagine if we give the police department long enough, Brown will have also murdered and raped someone prior to this shooting taking place. Given enough time and they might even claim Brown was part of ISIS.
 
clownboy said:
No, that probability increasing or decreasing depends solely upon YOUR behavior when you're interacting with police. For most folks your statement isn't true.
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Not quite, as police have shot up many an innocent. So it's not 100% restricted to my own behavior.
 
Lutherf said:
That's not the way it works. Cope are held accountable for bad shoots all the time. Maybe it doesn't happen every time but they are held to roughly the same standards as anyone else.
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How many cops end up in jail for voluntary manslaughter or greater? "Held accountable"? Not really. Some are when there is enough video evidence to show, but that explains police officers reluctance to incorporate video into their daily routine.
 
Texmex said:
I imagine if we give the police department long enough, Brown will have also murdered and raped someone prior to this shooting taking place. Given enough time and they might even claim Brown was part of ISIS.
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They will claim anything they can to maintain their power and immunity from law.
 
Now this **** gets interesting.
 
 
clownboy said:
The difference in this context is that Brown fought with the officer, according to his accomplice and the police.
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Yes those details also came out today that the police officer sustained injuries bad enough to require medical attention.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson says the officer who shot and killed unarmed black teenager Michael Brown last Saturday is Darren Wilson, a six-year veteran of the force who has no disciplinary actions on his record with the department.

The release of Wilson's name comes after Jackson said he wouldn't identify the man out of concerns for his safety, citing death threats made to Ferguson police and on social media. Jackson said that Wilson was treated for injuries he sustained Saturday.
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Sure looking a whole lot different than it did a few days ago. Brown caught on tape getting physical with the store manager, Brown gets physical with the police officer who sustained injuries and Brown ends up dead.

Ferguson Police Release Name Of Officer Who Shot Michael Brown : The Two-Way : NPR
 
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Lutherf said:
Orlando police officer arrested in on-duty shooting | News - Home
Baltimore Police Officer Arrested In York Shooting « CBS Baltimore
Tulsa officers Shannon Kepler, Gina Kepler arrested for murder after Tuesday night shooting - KJRH.com
NC police officer arrested after unarmed man shot, killed | North Carolina News - WXII Home
Jay Poggi, NYPD cop, arrested after accidentally shooting partner, police say - Newsday
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So you got, what 5 there? I didn't look to see if they are all different. How many people are killed by police every year? I found about 500/year (which if true isn't all that high). so assuming your links are all from the same year, 1%? I didn't perform an exhaustive search, maybe you can turn up different numbers. So at most 1% are held accountable. Now all of those 500 aren't unjustified; but how many are investigated? How often are abuses uncovered and punished? And that's just in killing...how many other nonfatal abuses are going on?
 
WCH said:
In the Bundy case, it was about the fed's not having the balls to attack such a large group.

This kid Brown looks as if he beat the cop up enough to be hospitalized. No such damage was caused by Bundy's group.
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So you're saying that Fed's not escalating on Bundy makes their threat of force ok?
 
iliveonramen said:
So you're saying that Fed's not escalating on Bundy makes their threat of force ok?
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Bundy's threat of force came after the government's actions. IMO,he was protecting himself and family.
 
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clownboy said:
The difference in this context is that Brown fought with the officer, according to his accomplice and the police.
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Yes those details also came out today that the police officer sustained injuries bad enough to require medical attention.

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson says the officer who shot and killed unarmed black teenager Michael Brown last Saturday is Darren Wilson, a six-year veteran of the force who has no disciplinary actions on his record with the department.

The release of Wilson's name comes after Jackson said he wouldn't identify the man out of concerns for his safety, citing death threats made to Ferguson police and on social media. Jackson said that Wilson was treated for injuries he sustained Saturday.
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Ferguson Police Release Name Of Officer Who Shot Michael Brown : The Two-Way : NPR
 
Ikari said:
So you got, what 5 there? I didn't look to see if they are all different. How many people are killed by police every year? I found about 500/year (which if true isn't all that high). so assuming your links are all from the same year, 1%? I didn't perform an exhaustive search, maybe you can turn up different numbers. So at most 1% are held accountable. Now all of those 500 aren't unjustified; but how many are investigated? How often are abuses uncovered and punished? And that's just in killing...how many other nonfatal abuses are going on?
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First off, not everyone shot by a cop is innocent.

Second, the results are from a simple google search ("cop arrested for shooting")

I'd suggest that this is ample evidence that cops are absolutely held accountable for their actions. Just like with the civilian population, the results aren't always what we want to see but that doesn't mean that there is no accountability.

Frankly, I'm burnt out on these silly games. I'm sick and tired of people screaming "INJUSTICE" every time their sensibilities are hurt. I don't have any more facts than anyone else here does about the Mike Brown shooting but I'll be damned if I'll condemn either him or the cop until I have those facts.
 
Lutherf said:
First off, not everyone shot by a cop is innocent.

Second, the results are from a simple google search ("cop arrested for shooting")

I'd suggest that this is ample evidence that cops are absolutely held accountable for their actions. Just like with the civilian population, the results aren't always what we want to see but that doesn't mean that there is no accountability.

Frankly, I'm burnt out on these silly games. I'm sick and tired of people screaming "INJUSTICE" every time their sensibilities are hurt. I don't have any more facts than anyone else here does about the Mike Brown shooting but I'll be damned if I'll condemn either him or the cop until I have those facts.
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In threads here yesterday, the cop was called a murderer, and executioner, a killer, and so on. It was as if his trial had already happened.
 
Ikari said:
Not quite, as police have shot up many an innocent. So it's not 100% restricted to my own behavior.
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Yes, it is. First, you have no proof "police have shot up many an innocent", at least not in the modern era. Second, those few who were shot weren't just standing around innocently. That does not justify the shootings, but it does demonstrate that the probability of being shot does not rise simply from greater exposure to police.
 
WCH said:
Bundy's threat of force came after the government's actions. IMO,he was protecting himself and family.
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Bundy broke the law and those officers were making a lawful seizure. He wasn't "protecting himself" because he wasn't in any danger.
 
Mike Browns accomplice in the robbery was a guy named Johnson. He is also one the the eye witnesses who was interviewed at the scene. What about his credibility as a witness?
 
tres borrachos said:
In threads here yesterday, the cop was called a murderer, and executioner, a killer, and so on. It was as if his trial had already happened.
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I'll admit I called the act of shooting him after he surrendered murder - IF what the witnesses said were true. But now that I know the witness statement was from an accomplice and the other witnesses have rehearsed stories, I doubt their testimony thus far.
 
Deuce said:
Which is why he deserved to be shot?
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No, but it casts severe doubt on the accomplice/witness's statement. Even by the accomplice's statement Brown struggled with the officer, and violently if material facts are to be taken into account.
 
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