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Michael Brown was a robbery suspect before he was shot to death, police say

!. the perp was wearing flipflops

2. the perp was wearing a Cardinals hat,

The perp was smoking Swisher Sweets he was filmed stealing and then hitting the clerk.

How do you know the cops didn't film the whole thing themselves using 2-3 Black actors?
 
Maybe everybody should be up in arms and wreak havoc on the neighborhood it happened in just to bring attention to it.
And to teach those in the neighborhood a lesson not to act that way.
But alas, I am sure reasonable folks know that would work.

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Actually, I think from what I've seen and heard in interviews that there are a lot of good people, people of faith, people with principle and decency to guide them, in this little place called Ferguson, Missouri. Some of the people who've come out and spoken against the violence, burning and looting, and some who've said let the investigation play out. I don't think they need to be taught a lesson but the media needs to spend less time focused on the bad actors or this isn't going to move forward.
Oh boy.
My bad.
My quote was edited before you posted, but the edit should have read.
But alas, I am sure reasonable folks know that wouldn't work.
 
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I really really really could have done without seeing the picture of the dead man. Who the hell took that? How disrespectful to him and his family, I don't care what he did.
I would say inappropriate for the forum, but I see no disrespect in posting it.
 
Ok, I am really confused now....The Police chief said today that this officer was not responding to the cigar theft...Seems like both sides are kind of blurring intentionally....
My understanding is that when he initially made contact with the thugs he wasn't responding to the robbery. He just told them to get on the sidewalk because they were walking down the middle of the street like a couple of complete idiots. Then after he started driving away a description of the robbers came over the radio and he threw it in reverse.
 
How do you know the cops didn't film the whole thing themselves using 2-3 Black actors?

How do you know they did?

If your going to make claims like this, you should at least back it up with some evidence.
 
This is what gets me about these bleeding hearts... They act as if this POlice officer went out of his way to shoot some black kid that day? Like he was planning on it, that nothing would stop him from getting him some bad arse looking black kid. They convince themselves that this could be the only thing that happened, and that the story of the blacks at the scene would be wholesome testimonies to the integrity of the loving son that got shot down in the street. It boggles my mind how incredibly gullible people are. It's like they've never been to the hood or seen ghetto culture up close, and to think that wearing your pants down to your knees, dreads and Tat's up the neck, and unable to form a coherent sentence in English would remind us all that it's really nothing to be concerned or evaluated, no, we only need to condemn the cop that undergoes periodic psychological testing, intense training, and situational awareness because he's the evil PIGS..

Jesus Christ almighty.. Granted, no rush to condemn the kid, but hell, utilizing a modicum of common sense one cannot possibly rush to condemn the cop either, if anything, this would be the last person to blame.


Tim-

What kind of message does that send? That cops can shoot and kill people without good reason and get away with it? Giving cops the benefit of the doubt is very dangerous. We must hold them to a higher standard or they lose their credibility as "protectors" and become predators instead.
This story from 2000 is burned into my mind as an example of police as predators. What do you think of the police behavior here?

Los Angeles Halloween party ended in tragedy Sunday morning when actor Anthony Dwain Lee was shot and killed by police

Lee, 39, who appeared in the 1997 movie Liar, Liar and on several television shows, including NYPD Blue, was shot several times by Officer Tarriel Hopper, the Los Angeles Police Department said in a statement. Hopper said Lee pointed what turned out to be a fake gun at him from inside the Benedict Canyon mansion known as "The Castle."

The police officer and his partner were responding to a noise complaint about the party. They arrived at approximately 1 a.m. and went around back to search for the owner, police said. The police spotted Lee and two other partygoers in a small room. According to the police, Lee then pointed what appeared to be a gun at the officers, and Hopper responded by firing several times, fatally wounding the actor.

Friends of Lee told television station KTLA-5 that some guests at the party were costumed as police, and that the real police never identified themselves as such before opening fire. According to radio station KROQ, Lee was in costume as a devil.

"[Police Officer Hopper] had no way of knowing [the gun] was fake, even though people were in costume. If you feel your life is threatened, you react in the way you were trained," said Officer Charlotte Broughton, a police spokeswoman.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=113971
 
What kind of message does that send? That cops can shoot and kill people without good reason and get away with it? Giving cops the benefit of the doubt is very dangerous. We must hold them to a higher standard or they lose their credibility as "protectors" and become predators instead.
Do you not know the evidence in this case? Brown attacked the Officer, tried to get his gun. The Officer received injury to his face from Brown.




And then there is this.
An eye witness basically saying the same thing that has been reported.


The Conservative Treehouse said:

@6:28/6:29 of video

#1 How’d he get from there to there?

#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck

{crosstalk}

#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him

{crosstalk}

#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –

#1. Oh, the police got his gun

#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him

{crosstalk}

#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing

#1 The Police?

#2 The Police shot him

#1 Police?

#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)


EXCEPTIONAL CATCH – The “JJ Witness Video” – Eye Witness Audio of Mike Brown Shooting Sharing “Brown Doubled Back Toward POlice”… | The Last Refuge
 
I really really really could have done without seeing the picture of the dead man. Who the hell took that? How disrespectful to him and his family, I don't care what he did.

I have no idea who took it. Everybody has a phone with a camera. But I'll tell you what. After watching the video of that piece of **** stealing the cigars from that store and threatening the 5 foot tall owner/employee, I kind of got some satisfaction out of seeing that big bully SoB laying dead in the street. Didn't bother me much at all.
 
I have no idea who took it. Everybody has a phone with a camera. But I'll tell you what. After watching the video of that piece of **** stealing the cigars from that store and threatening the 5 foot tall owner/employee, I kind of got some satisfaction out of seeing that big bully SoB laying dead in the street. Didn't bother me much at all.

How surprising! :3oops::roll:
 
Look at the robbery of that store...you should be impressed.

Theft is not robbery and doesn't warrant a death penalty.
 
Theft is not robbery and doesn't warrant a death penalty.
The Police called it a robbery.

And he wasn't killed because of it.
 
Theft is not robbery ...

It became robbery when he interacted with the store owner in the manner that he did. You might also want to add assault to the list, and given his behavior, it's a good bet that Brown threatened the owner's life when he aggressively moved towards him right before Brown left the store. This is not thuggish behavior. This is sociopathic behavior. Anyone who watches this video is probably not surprised that the altercation between Brown and the Police Officer ended the way it did.
 
No, went by pictures and actions.

Odd to say the least that you can't tell that it's two different people in still images, but a blurry video... no problem!
 
Well, to be fair, it was a black guy wearing the same kind of clothes Mike Brown was wearing when he got shot and, generally, the same size as Mike Brown.

A big black guy wearing urban clothing in a city where 70% of the community is black? Well... you've sure narrowed down the list of suspects. You were a cop right? :lol:
 
Odd to say the least that you can't tell that it's two different people in still images, but a blurry video... no problem!

A big black guy wearing urban clothing in a city where 70% of the community is black? Well... you've sure narrowed down the list of suspects. You were a cop right? :lol:


Hmmm? Let's see.
The police say it is the same person and even revealed that the Officer saw that same person with the box of stolen cigars.
The family's lawyer says it is him in the video.
And the video and images show it is him wearing the same damn thing, accompanied by the same witness who gave a contrived account.

And yet here you are after the fact of the above trying to cast doubt? :doh
Odd to say the least is right, except that it applies to your position.

:lamo
 
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Hmmm? Let's see.
The police say it is the same person and even revealed that the Officer saw that same person with the box of stolen cigars.

Yes, let's: The police said he was a suspect in a robbery that an officer had not stopped them for. You do know what suspect means? Yes?

Ferguson police say Michael Brown was suspect in robbery | Fox News

The family's lawyer says it is him in the video.

Really? When did he say that? Want to show us a link to the statement? Wait... here it is:

Police Name Officer in Michael Brown Shooting

Michael Brown's family is beyond outrages at the devious way the police chief has chosen to disseminate piece mil [sic] information in a manner intended to assassinate the character of their son, following such a brutal assassination of his person in broad daylight.

There is nothing based on the facts that have been placed before us that can justify the execution style murder of their child by this police officer as he held his hands up, which is the universal sign of surrender.

The prolonged release of the officer's name and then the subsequent alleged information regarding a robbery is the reason why the family and the local community have such distrust for the local law enforcement agencies.

It is no way transparent to release the still photographs alleged to be Michael Brown and refuse to release the photographs of the officer that executed him.

The police strategy of attempting to blame the victim will not divert our attention, form being focused on the autopsy, ballistics report and the trajectory of the bullets that caused Michael's death and will demonstrate to the world this brutal execution of an unarmed teenager.

You do know what alleged means, yes?

And the video and images show it is him wearing the same damn thing, accompanied by the same witness who gave a contrived account.

Really? Hm:

Officer who shot Michael Brown didn't know he was a robbery suspect - LA Times

When still photographs of the robbery were shown on a television at a nearby McDonald's, viewers started comparing details of the suspect's clothing to what Brown was wearing when he was shot and killed, arguing that Brown wasn't the man
shown in the pictures.

As for the witness:

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/08/...-not-michael-brown-in-the-surveillance-video/

The woman in the hat is more interesting because she claims the man in the surveillance video was wearing different clothes than Michael Brown was when he was shot.

We must be looking at different witnesses. Even the people who saw it say it's not the same people.

And yet here you are after the fact of the above trying to cast doubt? :doh

Odd to say the least is right, except that it applies to your position.

:lamo

I don't cast doubt on it. I dismiss its relevance... which is exactly what the Fergusson Police Dept is doing. Actually, here is what the people who released the video had to say on the matter:

Michael Brown shooting: Officer stopped teen for blocking street, 'that was it' - World - CBC News

"[The robbery] had nothing to do with the stop," Ferguson, Mo., police Chief Thomas Jackson told reporters.

So... any more smearing you'd like to do today? Or what are we discussing here? How he deserved to be shot for being a nameless suspect in a robbery that the police officer had no clue about? Or are we discussing the fact that the police who supposedly have both Brown and Johnson in the video in the video won't consider Johnson an accomplice? Or are discussing the fact that the police themselves say the shooting has nothing to do with the stop or the shooting? Keep smearing Excon.
 
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The Ferguson Police Department now has two official stories:

In the first, the men were stopped on suspicion of a robbery.

https://news.yahoo.com/why-isnt-dorian-johnson-under-143711703.html

According to a report released Friday by the Ferguson Police Department, Michael Brown robbed a nearby convenience store just minutes before he was shot and killed by officer Darren Wilson.

The report notes that Wilson shot and killed Brown in the course of trying to apprehend him on suspicion of that robbery.

In the second, they are stopped for blocking traffic:

Police: Officer Wasn't Aware Michael Brown Was Suspect in Alleged Robbery - WSJ

Chief Thomas Jackson also released documents and surveillance video, alleging that Mr. Brown was tied to a robbery at a convenience store shortly before he crossed paths with police. Hours later, Mr. Jackson held another news conference in which he said Mr. Wilson, who is white, wasn't aware of the robbery when he stopped Mr. Brown.

Also of note: In the second story, the robbery has nothing to do with the stop:

Michael Brown shooting: Officer stopped teen for blocking street, 'that was it' - World - CBC News

"[The robbery] had nothing to do with the stop," Ferguson, Mo., police Chief Thomas Jackson told reporters.

"They were walking down the middle of the street, blocking traffic, that was it," he said.

However that contradicts this part of the first story where Wilson himself has responded to the alleged robbery.

Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery

Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson said the officer involved in the shooting -- identified as Darren Wilson -- had gone to the area after a 911 call reporting the robbery. He says a dispatcher gave a description of the suspect, and that Wilson encountered Brown a few minutes before another officer arrived.

Yep, this isn't going to end well for that department. They're either full of **** or hiding something. They're admitting 4 facts which contradict each other in the most basic of ways.

1. Report says officer stopped them on suspicion of robbery. Contradicted by: 1. Police chief admitting that they were stopped for blocking traffic.
2. Officer was the one who responded to the 911 call on the robbery. Contradicted by: 2. Police chief admitting the officer did not know about the robbery.
 
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Whether Brown was truly a robbery suspect or this is just more police misinformation we will soon find out.

What is more disturbing is the police reaction to the protests, they forcefully went after many people and arrested quite a few including a few journalists on false pretenses. There ought to be a follow up on that and any cop acting above and beyond their mandates ought to be fired.
 
The Ferguson Police Department now has two official stories:

In the first, the men were stopped on suspicion of a robbery.

https://news.yahoo.com/why-isnt-dorian-johnson-under-143711703.html



In the second, they are stopped for blocking traffic:

Police: Officer Wasn't Aware Michael Brown Was Suspect in Alleged Robbery - WSJ



Also of note: In the second story, the robbery has nothing to do with the stop:

Michael Brown shooting: Officer stopped teen for blocking street, 'that was it' - World - CBC News



However that contradicts this part of the first story where Wilson himself has responded to the alleged robbery.

Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery



Yep, this isn't going to end well for that department. They're either full of **** or hiding something. They're admitting 4 facts which contradict each other in the most basic of ways.

1. Report says officer stopped them on suspicion of robbery. Contradicted by: 1. Police chief admitting that they were stopped for blocking traffic.
2. Officer was the one who responded to the 911 call on the robbery. Contradicted by: 2. Police chief admitting the officer did not know about the robbery.

I guess the various details point to why it takes a bit of time to investigate what happened. While it's not against the law to add to the evidence that a person is a violent piece of crap, as Brown seemed to want to do, his state of mind after commiting a felony can't be ignored. Given what the "witnesses" chose to lie about, it's going to be a real mess trying to sort it all out.
 
The chief is going to scrifice Wilson, to save his own ass. Til now he thought he could appear to support Wilson, then back-peddle when Wilson got convicted. The more facts that come out, the less guilty Wilson looks.

I wonder the chief of police is elected. The mayor damn sure is and he hires the chief.

It's shameful how Wilson is going to be run rough-shod through a kangaroo court.

I tend to agree with you because I am inclined to give the benefit of the doubt to LE when in concerns matters of he said/he said with only biased witnesses available. However, you have to admit that it looks shady, and brings in doubt when the police withhold information, or give conflicting facts about what went on from their end.
 
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