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Putin says Russia should aim to sell energy in roubles

Montecresto said:
The Russians are responding to the US's intrigue. They are not the aggressors in this.
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Actually, the Russians were responding to Title 2, Article 7 of the misbegotten Trade Treaty with the EU.
 
joG said:
Actually, the Russians were responding to Title 2, Article 7 of the misbegotten Trade Treaty with the EU.
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Want to elaborate.
 
Montecresto said:
Want to elaborate.
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It would be best to Google it. But it is a short segment describing how the EU and Ukraine will harmonize their military endeavor. It reads innocuous until you think about it.
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, it's the fault of the US that Putin decided to annex Crimea and try to do the same with the Ukraine?
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Essentially. You've been here all along. Along with the rest of us, didn't you witness Russia, in response to the Maiden Square riots that toppled the Ukrainian government, move into Crimea to secure Russia's assets and people?
 
Dittohead not! said:
So, it's the fault of the US that Putin decided to annex Crimea and try to do the same with the Ukraine?
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The Crimea would still be firmly part of Ukraine if the US and EU hadn't decided to assist pro-Western groups and Neo-Nazis in overthrowing the legally elected government of Ukraine. Putin took adavantage of the situation, to be sure, but he's not the reason for the overthrow of Yanukovich.
 
rocket88 said:
The Crimea would still be firmly part of Ukraine if the US and EU hadn't decided to assist pro-Western groups and Neo-Nazis in overthrowing the legally elected government of Ukraine. Putin took adavantage of the situation, to be sure, but he's not the reason for the overthrow of Yanukovich.
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Somehow, this is lost on many Americans, but then again, given the propaganda in US MSM news, small surprise.
 
Montecresto said:
Essentially. You've been here all along. Along with the rest of us, didn't you witness Russia, in response to the Maiden Square riots that toppled the Ukrainian government, move into Crimea to secure Russia's assets and people?
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Actually, yes.

Now, how do you know that it was the US and/or the EU behind the demise of the Ukrainian government?
 
Dittohead not! said:
Actually, yes.

Now, how do you know that it was the US and/or the EU behind the demise of the Ukrainian government?
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Well, of course it won't be too visible in US news. But did you miss the Nuland/Pyatt leaked phone conversations?
 
rocket88 said:
The Crimea would still be firmly part of Ukraine if the US and EU hadn't decided to assist pro-Western groups and Neo-Nazis in overthrowing the legally elected government of Ukraine. Putin took adavantage of the situation, to be sure, but he's not the reason for the overthrow of Yanukovich.
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Yanukovitch had nothing to do with it?
 
The US orchestrated a ‘coup d'état’ in Ukraine, which resulted in the ouster of President Victor Yanukovych, in an attempt to harness Russia geopolitically and militarily, a political analyst says.

On February 23, amid rising anti-government violence in Ukraine, the country’s parliament ousted Yanukovych and named Oleksandr Turchynov, the legislature’s then speaker, as interim president.

As the crisis was brewing in Ukraine, US and European officials repeatedly expressed support for the anti-government Ukrainian protesters. The protests took extreme forms as an increasing number of the protesters resorted to violence in confronting Ukrainian security forces.

“The purpose of the Washington-financed and -orchestrated coup in Kiev was to put Ukraine… into the EU and NATO and to evict Russia from its warm water port and ring Russia with US missile bases,” Paul Craig Roberts wrote in a Wednesday article on Press TV’s website.

“Washington’s opinion is that the exceptional and indispensable nation - the US - is above not only all other nations but also above law. What Washington does is legal. What anyone else does in opposition is illegal,” he noted.


http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/26/356116/how-much-war-does-washington-want/
 
Manc Skipper said:
Yanukovitch had nothing to do with it?
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Oh he was a bad guy. Corrupt, totalitarian....

But we should be helping Ukrainians understand that there's a next election to get rid of a guy like that. A lot of Americans think Obama is corrupt and totalitarian, but except for the most extreme among them they are biding their time until the next election. Like you do in a functioning democracy. Ukraine doesn't have a functioning democracy because by jumping right to the side of those who did the overthrow, we are teaching them that they can just have a "revolution" every few years.
 
Montecresto said:
The US orchestrated a ‘coup d'état’ in Ukraine, which resulted in the ouster of President Victor Yanukovych, in an attempt to harness Russia geopolitically and militarily, a political analyst says.

On February 23, amid rising anti-government violence in Ukraine, the country’s parliament ousted Yanukovych and named Oleksandr Turchynov, the legislature’s then speaker, as interim president.

As the crisis was brewing in Ukraine, US and European officials repeatedly expressed support for the anti-government Ukrainian protesters. The protests took extreme forms as an increasing number of the protesters resorted to violence in confronting Ukrainian security forces.

“The purpose of the Washington-financed and -orchestrated coup in Kiev was to put Ukraine… into the EU and NATO and to evict Russia from its warm water port and ring Russia with US missile bases,” Paul Craig Roberts wrote in a Wednesday article on Press TV’s website.

“Washington’s opinion is that the exceptional and indispensable nation - the US - is above not only all other nations but also above law. What Washington does is legal. What anyone else does in opposition is illegal,” he noted.


PressTV - How much war does Washington want?
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All this during the Obama administration, the one that is so wussy (according to the right wing) that Putin feels free to go ahead and invade Ukraine?

I don't recall hearing a lot from the lamestream media about that for some reason.
 
Dittohead not! said:
All this during the Obama administration, the one that is so wussy (according to the right wing) that Putin feels free to go ahead and invade Ukraine?

I don't recall hearing a lot from the lamestream media about that for some reason.
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True enough. I've never understood that criticism either. I think that between the predator drone campaign on steroids, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and China, he's gone pretty far.
 
Montecresto said:
True enough. I've never understood that criticism either. I think that between the predator drone campaign on steroids, Libya, Syria, Ukraine and China, he's gone pretty far.
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It does seem that he has.

But, you see, Obama is a Democrat, and a liberal one at that. By definition, then, he must be a peacenick. Moreover, the has gone on an "apology tour" (according to the RW) and hates America. He may even be a Muslim out to get us. That negates any troop surges, any drone attacks, anything.
 
As I have said before, many times;

None of this would probably be happening had the rebels not overthrown the legally elected (though corrupt) leader of the Ukraine.

I am not sure why they did it...little doubt that direct/indirect encouragement from the West (especially from America, IMO) had a big hand in it.

The Crimea would still be part of Ukraine, the east would not have broken away, the civil war would not have begun and MH17 would not have been shot down...all because the rebels could not wait a few years to legally oust their legally elected leader.
 
Montecresto said:
It amazes me, the risks that the US is willing to take in this, and the pressure that the US has put upon the EU to punish Putin with sanctions that could likely punish themselves in the process. And maybe it could be argued it is justified if Putin was really guilty as charge, however he isn't. It was the US/EU, that facilitated the overthrow of the Ukraine government installing a pro-Western government that only naivety would expect Russia could tolerate.

Risky business here.
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Yes, I've always wondered what in the hell we have to gain in Ukraine. They're a basket case, they are Russia's problem, and our involvement is just plain wrong and stupid. I've always thought that the message to Putin should be: "Buddy, do as you wish in your own backyard; don't mess with NATO territory, though. We'll tolerate your incursions in places like Georgia or Ukraine, but not in places like Latvia and Estonia, so, be careful when you pick your battles. As long as you don't step on our toes, let's continue to do business."

Unfortunately when we have a president who is inept in foreign policy, we get entangled in this kind of mess.
 
DA60 said:
What?

The petrodollar practically guarantees the U.S. dollar remains the world's reserve currency. It means all countries must hold U.S. dollars to trade many commodities (like oil/gas). Plus, this forced use of the greenback makes it extremely stable and trusted.

If you end the petrodollar, then many/most countries will probably dump their dollars (since they won't need them any longer) which will undoubtedly drop it's value greatly...maybe hugely.
This loss of stability will probably cause it's value to drop even more.

IMO, the petrodollar is HUGE for America. It allows her to 'print' virtually endless amounts of money with little fear of an immediate collapse in her currency's value.
Take that away, and suddenly everything gets very iffy....along with inflation growing greatly (just ask Japan about the latter).

IMO, America is running a potentially big risk with this sanction game of chicken they are playing with Russia.
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The thing is, such outcome is inevitable regardless of the Ukraine crisis. It's where the world is going, with the rise of the BRICS. The petrodollar has its days numbered. The decline of the American empire, like all empires, is inevitable and irreversible.
 
DA60 said:
...all because the rebels could not wait a few years to legally oust their legally elected leader.
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A few years? Elections had been set for May. More like a few weeks.
 
GreatNews2night said:
A few years? Elections had been set for May. More like a few weeks.
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My understanding was presidential elections in Ukraine are every 5 years - which would be in January, 2015.

EIther way, I was wrong as it would be only a few months the rebels would have had to wait.

That makes the coup even more ridiculous...unless they thought they would lose the election - and if true, then it just makes them little more then thugs.
 
GreatNews2night said:
Yes, I've always wondered what in the hell we have to gain in Ukraine. They're a basket case, they are Russia's problem, and our involvement is just plain wrong and stupid. I've always thought that the message to Putin should be: "Buddy, do as you wish in your own backyard; don't mess with NATO territory, though. We'll tolerate your incursions in places like Georgia or Ukraine, but not in places like Latvia and Estonia, so, be careful when you pick your battles. As long as you don't step on our toes, let's continue to do business."

Unfortunately when we have a president who is inept in foreign policy, we get entangled in this kind of mess.
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Think of how many countries have been gobbled up by NATO expansion eastward. Which is what the Ukraine is about right now, only completely natural that Russia is resisting this.
 
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