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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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Ockham said:
As soon as Jesse and the racist Sharpton arrive on the scene, the circus is open.

Some harsh words from former Wizards player Arenas though:





Gilbert Arenas Blasts Sharpton In Race-Laced Rant Over Ferguson Protests « CBS DC


Arenas may have a point.
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Heya Ockham :2wave: What do you think about this? Do you think this might be relevant?


FBI warns New Black Panther leader in Ferguson inciting violence.

The FBI is concerned members of the New Black Panther Party are in Ferguson, Missouri and advocating violence against police, according to an alert from the St. Louis Division of the FBI, reported KTVI.

Chawn Kweli, National Chief of Staff for the NBPP is in town, along with other members, to respond to the shooting of Michael Brown. Kweli posted on Facebook , “This is the hour all the greats promised. If you die, die like a warrior. I’ll see you on the ground.” He is posting updates from Ferguson under the tag: Live Battle Report.....snip~

FBI warns of ‘New Black Panther Party’ leader inciting violence in Ferguson | WTVR.com
 
j-mac said:
You really should read your own link before posting it...From your Wiki article:

"Brown was allegedly involved in a felony strong arm robbery of a box of Swisher Sweets cigars at a convenience store prior to his death."

So please don't try to paint this as some kind of young man that was just minding his own business and the cop just decided to harass him....That is simply not the case.
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Strange, I never said that Brown was saint. I only said that his killing was:
A- unlawful.
B- probably the result of an esaclating, and eventualy out of control "macho contest" that both Brown and the police officer engaged in.
 
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If the New Black Panthers and their Leader are inciting violence.....then why hasn't the FBI arrested them. Since they were there to question witnesses.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Hmm, I would of thought that you would consider SWAT teams as part of that militarization. I guess not then...

So what exactly are you talking about when you say "militarization" if you aren't referring to swat teams? Is there specific gear they are using you don't think they should have? Because everything I've seen, I would expect SWAT to have.
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Stop talking about things you have no knowledge of. Without google, do you know when SWAT was created and why? And sense you don't know what a militarised police force looks like, I authorise you to use google and look at what was brought out in Boston last year, and if you like that, then you probably liked the STASI!
 
Hamster Buddha said:
SWAT already uses much of the gear you are referring to, are you saying we need to get rid of SWAT teams as well?
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SWAT doesn't patrol our streets every day. They're kept on a shelf for certain situations, educate yourself.
 
Montecresto said:
SWAT doesn't patrol our streets every day. They're kept on a shelf for certain situations, educate yourself.
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Heya Monte. :2wave: Many Suburban COPs are SWAT and they are Everyday Patrol Officers.
 
MMC said:
Heya Monte. :2wave: Many Suburban COPs are SWAT and they are Everyday Patrol Officers.
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Yes they do double. Never at the same time. Haven't seen where you are on this though, you like our budding police, or are you the more constitutionally minded? Morning dude.
 
Only those who don't know what liberty is or how to spell it support this.



This month, more Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected vehicles (MRAPs) have found their way from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the Main Streets of America. These are just the latest acquisitions in a growing practice by Pentagon that’s militarizing America’s municipal police forces.

Police departments in Boise and Nampa, Idaho, each acquired an MRAP, as did the force in High Springs, Florida. The offer of war-ready machinery, at practically no cost, has proven hard to resist for local police departments. Increasingly, they are looking like soldiers equipped for battle.

The growing similarity between our domestic police forces and the U.S. military is a result of the Pentagon’s 1033 Program. This allows the Defense Department to donate surplus military equipment and weapons to law enforcement agencies. In addition to the frightening presence of paramilitary weapons in American towns, the program has led to rampant fraud and abuse.

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/22/the-militarization-of-u-s-police-forces/
 
Montecresto said:
Yes they do double. Never at the same time. Haven't seen where you are on this though, you like our budding police, or are you the more constitutionally minded? Morning dude.
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Yeah.....if SWAT is called on then they break out their gear. I am for Law Enforcement doing their job. That being said.....some people are not meant to be in Law Enforcement. Which happens and they do get in and carry a badge. Which they will break the law and or go over the line.

Anytime lethal and or deadly force is used. The LE needs to be questioned. Even when fired upon and justified.
 
Montecresto said:
Only those who don't know what liberty is or how to spell it support this.



This month, more Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected vehicles (MRAPs) have found their way from the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to the Main Streets of America. These are just the latest acquisitions in a growing practice by Pentagon that’s militarizing America’s municipal police forces.

Police departments in Boise and Nampa, Idaho, each acquired an MRAP, as did the force in High Springs, Florida. The offer of war-ready machinery, at practically no cost, has proven hard to resist for local police departments. Increasingly, they are looking like soldiers equipped for battle.

The growing similarity between our domestic police forces and the U.S. military is a result of the Pentagon’s 1033 Program. This allows the Defense Department to donate surplus military equipment and weapons to law enforcement agencies. In addition to the frightening presence of paramilitary weapons in American towns, the program has led to rampant fraud and abuse.

The militarization of U.S. police forces | The Great Debate
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I could be wrong, but didn't the "militarization" of local police forces start after 9/11 and the creation of Homeland Security? I'm pretty sure every congressional representative from Buttwart, Hicksville bitched and moaned in Congress that New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, DC were getting all the funding for increased access to weapons and other equipment. As a result, Congress either passed legislation or Homeland Security okayed the move and Buttwart, Hicksville and all the other little towns in America got their share of the hundreds of $billions in new age and surplus equipment.

Maybe it's time to revert back to what Homeland Security was supposed to be - and it wasn't intended to be a pork barrel operation for Washington flunkies.
 
MMC said:
Yeah.....if SWAT is called on then they break out their gear. I am for Law Enforcement doing their job. That being said.....some people are not meant to be in Law Enforcement. Which happens and they do get in and carry a badge. Which they will break the law and or go over the line.

Anytime lethal and or deadly force is used. The LE needs to be questioned. Even when fired upon and justified.
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Can you directly answer my question?
 
Rise of the Warrior Cop - WSJ

Yesterday I posted comments from the retired Minneapolis police chief. Now I post comments from the retired Seattle police chief. You're Canadian, you have the mounted police, nice.


Norman Stamper: What happened in Seattle in 1999 was a police overreaction, which I presided over. It was the worst mistake of my career. We used chemical agents, a euphemism for tear gas, against nonviolent and essentially nonthreatening protesters. The natural consequence of which are that we were the catalyst for heightened tension and conflict rather than peacekeepers, or for that matter even peacemakers. It's a lesson, unfortunately, that American law enforcement in general has not learned.

http://www.vox.com/2014/8/14/6002451/ferguson-police-militarization-seattle
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I could be wrong, but didn't the "militarization" of local police forces start after 9/11 and the creation of Homeland Security? I'm pretty sure every congressional representative from Buttwart, Hicksville bitched and moaned in Congress that New York, Los Angeles, and Washington, DC were getting all the funding for increased access to weapons and other equipment. As a result, Congress either passed legislation or Homeland Security okayed the move and Buttwart, Hicksville and all the other little towns in America got their share of the hundreds of $billions in new age and surplus equipment.

Maybe it's time to revert back to what Homeland Security was supposed to be - and it wasn't intended to be a pork barrel operation for Washington flunkies.
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Many of the restrictions on our civil liberties were born during the Bush administration.
 
Montecresto said:
Rise of the Warrior Cop - WSJ

Yesterday I posted comments from the retired Minneapolis police chief. Now I post comments from the retired Seattle police chief. You're Canadian, you have the mounted police, nice.


Norman Stamper: What happened in Seattle in 1999 was a police overreaction, which I presided over. It was the worst mistake of my career. We used chemical agents, a euphemism for tear gas, against nonviolent and essentially nonthreatening protesters. The natural consequence of which are that we were the catalyst for heightened tension and conflict rather than peacekeepers, or for that matter even peacemakers. It's a lesson, unfortunately, that American law enforcement in general has not learned.

Seattle's former police chief speaks out on Ferguson and police militarization - Vox
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Oh please, these protests whom largely have peaceful people in them, which I think most would have NO problem with. It is the Anarchists, troublemakers, and criminal element there to cause a riot that are what turns the action to one of peace, to one that demands action. You seem to be saying all we need to do is let them be, and show some love eh? So, business owners, and others not participating deserve no protection from frenzied trouble makers eh?
 
COLUMBUS, Ohio (WTVN) -- In the wake of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, more and more surplus military equipment is finding its way to the streets of America.

There have been concerns raised over the military-look of the police dealing with protesters in Ferguson, Missouri. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, Jr. said he is "deeply concerned" about deployment of military equipment and vehicles and the message it sends. Similar statements have come from Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

Some have raised questions about whether or not a local police department needs a mine-resistant vehicle.



Read more: Concerns raised over militarization of police | News Radio 610 WTVN
 
j-mac said:
Oh please, these protests whom largely have peaceful people in them, which I think most would have NO problem with. It is the Anarchists, troublemakers, and criminal element there to cause a riot that are what turns the action to one of peace, to one that demands action. You seem to be saying all we need to do is let them be, and show some love eh? So, business owners, and others not participating deserve no protection from frenzied trouble makers eh?
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Why don't you listen to these former police chiefs, and what they have to say with 30+ years experience, instead of running your mouth about something you have no understanding of.
 
Montecresto said:
COLUMBUS, Ohio (WTVN) -- In the wake of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, more and more surplus military equipment is finding its way to the streets of America.

There have been concerns raised over the military-look of the police dealing with protesters in Ferguson, Missouri. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, Jr. said he is "deeply concerned" about deployment of military equipment and vehicles and the message it sends. Similar statements have come from Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul.

Some have raised questions about whether or not a local police department needs a mine-resistant vehicle.



Read more: Concerns raised over militarization of police | News Radio 610 WTVN
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So your concerns are not in keeping those law enforcement just there to do their jobs safe, but rather how it looks? Are you serious?
 
Montecresto said:
Why don't you listen to these former police chiefs, and what they have to say with 30+ years experience, instead of running your mouth about something you have no understanding of.
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I will, but when you have lived as long as I have, you gain a little perspective on how peoples opinions can be skewed by their own biases....Something you have yet to learn.
 
I don't know why it is that right wing freaks have such contempt for civil liberties and our constitution. They all need to go colonise Antarctica.
 
Montecresto said:
Many of the restrictions on our civil liberties were born during the Bush administration.
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Yes, yes - every ill in the world rests at the feet of the uber-powerful criminal mastermind George W. Bush. The man sure turned out to be an evil genius considering you all thought he was a bumbling idiot.

To my comment, I did note that it was after 9/11 and after Homeland Security was first created and funded. If Homeland Security has been disbanded, defunded, or policies changed so that Homeland Security funds don't go to local police departments now that the sainted Obama is in charge, I'll accept you point about Bush. Otherwise, it's just idiotic nonsense.
 
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