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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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stonewall50 said:
Anyone know a good place to find case facts on this? I don't give a crap which way the decisions fall. I just want to know what happened.
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No unfortunately we don't have much facts yet about exactly what happened.
 
Erod said:
Therein lies their unfixable problem. They marginalize themselves collectively by completely failing their children in every possible manner. They indoctrinate victimization and marginalization as a way to cope and explain their own guilt and failures.

There's literally nothing white America can do for them that hasn't already been done. And when some people - white and black - seize upon that reality and get black Americans to think, vote, and act in lockstep, this is the result you get.

The only answer is family and REAL education, not the political rubbish they consume at school.
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And given how we fund and run our educational system, that's a rather large long-shot.
 
Excon said:
Well it's not like he is going to show these pics. He is just as likely to claim they are not him as well even though he doesn't know.


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Flashing gang signs does not mean one is in a gang. Chalk that up to the culture. Could just as easily be a wannabe thug. Check out Trayvon Martin. Petty thug wannabe.
 
stonewall50 said:
Flashing gang signs does not mean one is in a gang. Chalk that up to the culture. Could just as easily be a wannabe thug. Check out Trayvon Martin. Petty thug wannabe.
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His attacking an Officer would classify him as being a thug.
His robbing would classify him as being a thug.
And flashing crip sign when you are not, is enough to get one killed.
So either he was, or was just one dumb son-of-a-bitch.

As for Trayvon, his behavior/actions was far from just being a wannabe.

I think what is needed here is a definition that everyone can agree on.
Because both the individuals you mentioned have engaged in what can be defined as thug behavior.



And for clarification, not being in a gang, does not mean one is not a thug.
 
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Ikari said:
And given how we fund and run our educational system, that's a rather large long-shot.
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Funding and running has nothing to do with It.

Its a cultural isssue.
 
Fenton said:
Funding and running has nothing to do with It.

Its a cultural isssue.
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Yes, it depends largely on how much the culture of the people being served by the schools actually values education.
 
Fenton said:
Funding and running has nothing to do with It.

Its a cultural isssue.
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It's not 1 variable. Pretending this is some form of linear, single variable problem is stupid.
 
Ikari said:
It's not 1 variable. Pretending this is some form of linear, single variable problem is stupid.
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When inner city parents and inner city culture embrace and emphasize education over every all else, things will change.

Upper class schools out perform inner city schools exponentially NOT because those schools are better funded.

Their performance can be directly tied back to the culture of upper class areas and the families that live in those areas.

Education is paramount and emphasized on a daily basis by parents who most likely possess College degrees.

Kids are directed towards positive goals and activities when they're young and introduced to the prospects of higher education years before they head off to College.

I know, its how I was raised.
 
Montecresto said:
"Allegedly"??!!
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Allegedly yes, on video, and pictures....But, you're right...Since he is dead now, no trial will ensue for his 'alleged' robbery...But, as time goes on we shall see, because I am sure it will be a part of the defense of the police officer involved...Can I assume you will never acknowledge this happening, or Brown being involved?
 
Fenton said:
When inner city parents and inner city culture embrace and emphasize education over every all else, things will change.

Upper class schools out perform inner city schools exponentially NOT because those schools are better funded.

Their performance can be directly tied back to the culture of upper class areas and the families that live in those areas.

Education is paramount and emphasized on a daily basis by parents who most likely possess College degrees.

Kids are directed towards positive goals and activities when they're young and introduced to the prospects of higher education years before they head off to College.

I know, its how I was raised.
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Yes, culture and class are factors, which is why this isn't a 1/variable problem. Upper class schools are funded better with smaller class sizes and better access to resource; that too plays into the equation. Those with means and resource will be far more willing to interact "civilly" since everything is set up in their favor.
 
Excon said:
His attacking an Officer would classify him as being a thug.
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Do we know he did that for a fact? Sorry but I only want to deal with facts. If he did I don't give do craps if the cop shot him. But i haven't seen that as a fact yet.

His robbing would classify him as being a thug.
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Again. Not confirmed. Only deal with fact.

And flashing crip sign when you are not, is enough to get one killed.
So either he was, or was just one dumb son-of-a-bitch.
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You don't deal with his type much do you? You really put it passed some kid to be stupid and be a wannabe thug? It happens. A lot. Flashing gang signs doesn't make one a gang member and it is hardly justification to be shot.

All it means is he is a dumb sob for flashing them.

As for Trayvon, his behavior/actions was far from just being a wannabe.
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Trayvon was a punk. He was EXACTLY a thug wannabe. He would have got his ass kicked by anyone other than Zimmerman...who just happened to be another wannabe.

Trayvon was small time. A little punk. All his crimes were petty BS crimes that he never got convicted of. And him trying to start a fight? That is...again...more evidence to me that he was nothing but a punk. Not saying he didn't deserve to get shot. Trayvon picked a fight with the wrong person. But hardly makes him a hardcore gangsta thug.

I think what is needed here is a definition that everyone can agree on.
Because both the individuals you mentioned have engaged in what can be defined as thug behavior.
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How about this. Being a kid making stupid decisions trying to be a "tough guy" makes you a punk. Makes you a wannabe. Actually being a gangbanger who kills people and deals drugs and I will call you a thug. Thug vs wannabe punk.


And for clarification, not being in a gang, does not mean one is not a thug.
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Oh sure it does, when one flashes gang signs.


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I'm defending the kid. I want the facts before I make the call. Just saying there is a good chance given our culture that he is just a wannabe. Nothin but a petty punk.
 
Erod said:
What else can outsiders do for them? They have to take the reins and responsibility sometime.
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Economic disparity still exists and is not getting better.
 
apdst said:
One isn't so credible, because he omitted the part where he may have been involved in a crime.
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Is the crime really relevant?
 
j-mac said:
Allegedly yes, on video, and pictures....But, you're right...Since he is dead now, no trial will ensue for his 'alleged' robbery...But, as time goes on we shall see, because I am sure it will be a part of the defense of the police officer involved...Can I assume you will never acknowledge this happening, or Brown being involved?
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One thing to consider is that a cop shouldn't be shooting someone dead over a robbery. At least if said person is unarmed. It is his job to arrest the guy for it. If he isn't capable of that...he has no business being a cop. So it really doesn't matter if this kid robbed the store or not.

What matters is the circumstances around the shooting. Did he attack the cop? If so...grounds to kill him.

Was he at a distance and unarmed? Then we gotta talk about how and why he got shot.
 
Lutherf said:
"I'll believe my television no matter what!"

Good Lord, it really is the apocalypse!:doh
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Are you really going to believe an anonymous person on the internet?
 
tres borrachos said:
I saw people on my television insist they were abducted by aliens and others insist they saw George Bush personally launch missiles into the WTC towers before they fell. I of course believed them.
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You can ridicule all you want. You are taking the word of an anonymous poster because of confirmation bias. Don't pretend you have some high ground.
 
Excon said:
His attacking an Officer would classify him as being a thug.
His robbing would classify him as being a thug.
And flashing crip sign when you are not, is enough to get one killed.
So either he was, or was just one dumb son-of-a-bitch.

As for Trayvon, his behavior/actions was far from just being a wannabe.

I think what is needed here is a definition that everyone can agree on.
Because both the individuals you mentioned have engaged in what can be defined as thug behavior.



And for clarification, not being in a gang, does not mean one is not a thug.
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Wait, he's a Crip and a Blood?

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
 
Thorgasm said:
Are you really going to believe an anonymous person on the internet?
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The claim was perfectly reasonable and compared favorably with my own experiences so, in this case, yes.
 
stonewall50 said:
Do we know he did that for a fact? Sorry but I only want to deal with facts. If he did I don't give do craps if the cop shot him. But i haven't seen that as a fact yet.
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Oh Gawd! Pretty much nothing has been confirmed. It is all pretty much just what's been reported.
The Officer shot through the door. Reported. Do you have anything that refutes that?
Going for the Officers gun/attacking reported.
You don't want to believe what has been reported, fine, then you really have nothing to discuss.


stonewall50 said:
Again. Not confirmed. Only deal with fact.
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:doh
While all facts have not been reported, this is pretty much fact.
Not confirmed by LE, sure? Not confirmed, by what is known? Nonsense.

This from four days ago.
The slain teenager and a friend were “accused of stealing gum from the store or some sort of cigarettes,” the alderman said.

Protests, looting in streets after teen Michael Brown is fatally shot by police | WTVR.com​

Utility Man said:
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So deal with the facts.


stonewall50 said:
You don't deal with his type much do you?
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Spare everybody you getting personal.
It is uncalled for.

stonewall50 said:
You really put it passed some kid to be stupid and be a wannabe thug? It happens. A lot. Flashing gang signs doesn't make one a gang member and it is hardly justification to be shot.

All it means is he is a dumb sob for flashing them.
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:naughty
18 year old adult.
Flashing crip sign.
It is far more likely that he knows the unwritten rules and isn't flashing because he is a wannabe.

But you are ignoring that I do make for exception.



stonewall50 said:
Trayvon was a punk. He was EXACTLY a thug wannabe. He would have got his ass kicked by anyone other than Zimmerman...who just happened to be another wannabe.

Trayvon was small time. A little punk. All his crimes were petty BS crimes that he never got convicted of. And him trying to start a fight? That is...again...more evidence to me that he was nothing but a punk. Not saying he didn't deserve to get shot. Trayvon picked a fight with the wrong person. But hardly makes him a hardcore gangsta thug.
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Pretending makes one a punk, he engaged ion actions that made him a thug.


stonewall50 said:
How about this. Being a kid making stupid decisions trying to be a "tough guy" makes you a punk. Makes you a wannabe. Actually being a gangbanger who kills people and deals drugs and I will call you a thug. Thug vs wannabe punk.
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See. There is no commonality here.
As far as I am concerned, pretending is pretending. Engaging in actual actions is the determining factor.



stonewall50 said:
And for clarification, not being in a gang, does not mean one is not a thug.
Oh sure it does, when one flashes gang signs.
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Your reply in nonsensical to that which you quoted.



stonewall50 said:
I'm defending the kid. I want the facts before I make the call. Just saying there is a good chance given our culture that he is just a wannabe. Nothin but a petty punk.
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Yes, with no facts to support such defense and actual facts against such defense.
 
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Thorgasm said:
Wait, he's a Crip and a Blood?
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:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl
I never said he was.
And the earlier pic supposedly was not of him. So?
All you have done is show you are not paying attention.

Now if the first pic was of him, for all you know he had move between the taking of the images and had to change affiliation.

So spare us your failure to pay attention.
 
tres borrachos said:
I saw people on my television insist they were abducted by aliens and others insist they saw George Bush personally launch missiles into the WTC towers before they fell. I of course believed them.
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Only believe them if they were black eyewitnesses, bonus points if they claimed they were marginalized.
 
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