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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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ocean515 said:
Under the circumstances, and in consideration of the volatile situation that exists, why else would people need to know the cops name? 2+2=4.
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they need to know the name of the cop in order to bring him to court and sue him for violent abuse.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
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they need to know the name of the cop in order to bring him to court and sue him for violent abuse.
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And here I thought the police and court system would be the source for that information. Never knew it was always supplied by Anonymous. Learn something new every day.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
they need to identify the cop in order to bring charges against him.

2+3-1=4
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So you think the police department will refuse for the rest of eternity to release the name of the officer involved?

No, can't be. Nobody is that ignorant. I must be misunderstanding your point.

Since the officers name is a matter of public record, and the only reason his identity is being withheld at this point just to protect his life, and that of his family, the effort to uncover and release his name has one purpose. To see harm come to him, and likely his family as well.

2+2=4
 
Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent

Unitedwestand13 said:
they need to identify the cop in order to bring charges against him.

2+3-1=4
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Which will involve impaneling a grand jury.

That should be quite interesting.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Because as a public official they work for the public and when you kill someone in the public you are held responsible. And in Missouri there is something called the "Sunshine Law"
ACLU Files Sunshine Law Requests To ID Officer Who Shot Michael Brown
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I haven't read anywhere that the Police Department plans to never release the officers name. Under the circumstances, the Police Department has a duty to protect it's employees and it's citizens. It is reasonable to withhold the identity of the officer in light of the charged atmosphere. Probably wouldn't be good when vigilates try to storm the officers house, and they are mowed down by friends trying to protect the officer.

Under such circumstances, the Police Chief could be held liable for anything that happens, because in his position, he should have known something would have happened.
 
Depending on your view, the supposed victim, or the supposed criminal/thug.

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Sharptongue’s Ferguson Follies, Day 5 | The Last Refuge
 
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ocean515 said:
So you think the police department will refuse for the rest of eternity to release the name of the officer involved?

No, can't be. Nobody is that ignorant. I must be misunderstanding your point.

Since the officers name is a matter of public record, and the only reason his identity is being withheld at this point just to protect his life, and that of his family, the effort to uncover and release his name has one purpose. To see harm come to him, and likely his family as well.

2+2=4
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In situations like this it's important to feed the animals. At this point they've already eaten a decent portion of the stuff they had immediately available and now they're looking for more.
 
ocean515 said:
I haven't read anywhere that the Police Department plans to never release the officers name. Under the circumstances, the Police Department has a duty to protect it's employees and it's citizens. It is reasonable to withhold the identity of the officer in light of the charged atmosphere. Probably wouldn't be good when vigilates try to storm the officers house, and they are mowed down by friends trying to protect the officer.

Under such circumstances, the Police Chief could be held liable for anything that happens, because in his position, he should have known something would have happened.
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There are things called laws. They, even the police department must follow this thing called laws.
 
ocean515 said:
So you think the police department will refuse for the rest of eternity to release the name of the officer involved?

No, can't be. Nobody is that ignorant. I must be misunderstanding your point.

Since the officers name is a matter of public record, and the only reason his identity is being withheld at this point just to protect his life, and that of his family, the effort to uncover and release his name has one purpose. To see harm come to him, and likely his family as well.

2+2=4
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let me throw a curveball at your math equation

St. Louis County Police to Be Removed From Ferguson: Clay - Bloomberg

Missouri Governor Jay Nixon will announce that St. Louis County law enforcement will be relieved of duty in Ferguson, which has been roiled by protests after the shooting death by police of an unarmed teenager, according to Representative William Lacy Clay.

“The governor just called me, and he’s on his way to St. Louis now to announce he’s taking away St. Louis County police out of the situation,” Clay, a Missouri Democrat, said in a telephone interview. He added that Nixon may ask the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation to step in.

Clay said that he has been urging U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to “take over the entire situation because we will not get justice for Michael Brown and his family and friends if the St. Louis County police and prosecutor have a say.”

Police and protesters in the St. Louis suburb are engaged in a standoff entering its sixth day in the wake of the Aug. 9 shooting of Brown. Police say the 18-year-old had fought the officer over his weapon, while Ferguson residents say Brown was shot while putting his hands up in surrender.
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to quote a popular internet meme
"what a twist!"
 
Ockham said:
Missouri police shooting of teen Michael Brown sparks protests, looting, vandalism - CBS News


The looting and violence is in response to the shooting of Michael Brown when, according to police, Brown and another man assaulted the police officer, there was a struggle and shots were fired, ultimately killing Brown. The two men in the alleged assault were not armed. However, a different account was provided by one Dorian Johnson, who says the struggle was initiated by the police officer, who assaulted Brown - Brown broke free and started to run when the police officer then shot Brown.

The point of this post is NOT justifying or dismissing the shooting which was the flashpoint of the violence (though I am resigned to the fact it will devolve into that at some point) but I'm more interested in why looting is the preferred method of showing distrust and dissatisfaction with police actions, when the owners of these stores which were broken into have absolutely NOTHING to do with the police shooting. Why is looting and destroying innocent people's livelihoods the preferred method of action in these circumstances? We see this time and time again - and I'm reminded of the 1992 So.Central LA riots.
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I think it's their only way of showing intense dissatisfaction with the current structure of society. This is obviously not just rioting over the perceived prejudice of the police, but of the controlling political and economic forces in general. Rioting of this nature with looting and destruction of property is common all over the world, when a group feels they have been treated unjustly.

Look at the Anti-austerity protests in Europe, since the Recession, and the Arab Spring started out similar, till it turned into social revolutions.
 
grip said:
I think it's their only way of showing intense dissatisfaction with the current structure of society. This is obviously not just rioting over the perceived prejudice of the police, but of the controlling political and economic forces in general. Rioting of this nature with looting and destruction of property is common all over the world, when a group feels they have been treated unjustly.

Look at the Anti-austerity protests in Europe, since the Recession, and the Arab Spring started out similar, till it turned into social revolutions.
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I agree - there are examples all over the world, my point however is that such acts hurt innocent people and those same people's livelihoods like the victims on who's behalf they are acting out about, and in this case it ultimately hurts their cause. I can possibly justify such violent actions in lawless areas or as part of a revolution or war but not when there is a process for justice and where attention was already brought to bear about this incident. My other concern is that such actions are accepted and justified over perception for certain groups, and others not.
 
Lutherf said:
In situations like this it's important to feed the animals. At this point they've already eaten a decent portion of the stuff they had immediately available and now they're looking for more.
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Sadly, I've seen enough riots in Southern California in my life time to see how they are encouraged, and what happens as a result. Remember, Democrat Congresswoman Maxine Waters chanted "No justice, no peace" as she encouraged people to attack whites and burn down the city.

It's all part of the plan. This one is probably tied to getting the press off the illegal alien invasion that has received too much scrutiny by citizens. Minorities abandoned in favor the illegals have been rightfully pissed by the Democrats moves, so this just shakes the table up a bit so they can get back to exploiting them in other ways.
 
ocean515 said:
My guess is they probably have a much better handle on understanding the laws than those proving they don't.
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Or they are just trying to withold any lawsuit and try to cover it up
 
Ockham said:
I agree - there are examples all over the world, my point however is that such acts hurt innocent people and those same people's livelihoods like the victims on who's behalf they are acting out about, and in this case it ultimately hurts their cause. I can possibly justify such violent actions in lawless areas or as part of a revolution or war but not when there is a process for justice and where attention was already brought to bear about this incident. My other concern is that such actions are accepted and justified over perception for certain groups, and others not.
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social media has become a powerful tool for those who have been denied justice or representation.

it is like the lyrics of a particular three days grace song.

Riot-Three Days Grace - YouTube
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
let me throw a curveball at your math equation

St. Louis County Police to Be Removed From Ferguson: Clay - Bloomberg



to quote a popular internet meme
"what a twist!"
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Who cares what liberal spin Clay has to put on it. Never let a crisis go by without exploiting it.

I think it probably makes sense to put different faces on the ground, rather than have members of the police force the crowd has been ginned up to hate trying to keep the peace. It's a good move under the circumstances.

I mean think about it. The vigilantes are trying to get the cops name and address. Probably not so they can send a box of donuts to he and his family.

2+2=4
 
Ockham said:
I agree - there are examples all over the world, my point however is that such acts hurt innocent people and those same people's livelihoods like the victims on who's behalf they are acting out about, and in this case it ultimately hurts their cause. I can possibly justify such violent actions in lawless areas or as part of a revolution or war but not when there is a process for justice and where attention was already brought to bear about this incident. My other concern is that such actions are accepted and justified over perception for certain groups, and others not.
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These actions are primarily based on out of control emotions from younger people, with not much sense. It does scare the intended victims, so to that degree, it has some benefit for the perpetrators. Also, these are people who're financially lacking, so the looting is a direct gain.

I don't condone it, I just can understand it. And if enough people get pushed down financially, with violence used against them, that will potentially lead to revolution.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Uhhh I posted it here. But hell its all over the internet and news sites are reporting it.
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Why on Earth did you post it here?

From your link from the "NewsOne for Black America" site:

*Editor’s Note: The original AP report did not include the alleged officer’s name involved in Michael Brown’s killing. NewsOne added the above information.

Even the AP knows it's distasteful and wrong. And no, "news sites" are not reporting his name. In fact, legitimate news sites are NOT reporting a name, and now they are all reporting that the name you posted is not correct.

Brilliant.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
social media has become a powerful tool for those who have been denied justice or representation.

it is like the lyrics of a particular three days grace song.

Riot-Three Days Grace - YouTube
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No one has been denied anything in this case and I'm not sure what relevance social media has to the quote of mine you quoted. :shrug:
 
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