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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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Mason66 said:
How dare you not have computer links to your memories and personal experiences.
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Anecdotal evidence isn't so compelling.
 
Thorgasm said:
Anecdotal evidence isn't so compelling.
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No of course not because real life experience has no value.

You said, or somebody said, guns were not pointed at civilians in Iraq and this poster, that was there, said they were.

I will believe him, thank you.
 
Mason66 said:
No of course not because real life experience has no value.

You said, or somebody said, guns were not pointed at civilians in Iraq and this poster, that was there, said they were.

I will believe him, thank you.
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I will believe the people I have heard from, thank you.
 
Thorgasm said:
No one is supporting the rioters/looters. Please be honest.
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Nobody? Really? If more than one person was out on the streets these past few nights, burning and looting and causing havoc, then each and every one of those people was supporting the rioters/looters, often by being rioters/looters themselves.

In addition, I suppose you believe that justifying, rationalizing and excusing such actions isn't a form of support.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Nobody? Really? If more than one person was out on the streets these past few nights, burning and looting and causing havoc, then each and every one of those people was supporting the rioters/looters, often by being rioters/looters themselves.

In addition, I suppose you believe that justifying, rationalizing and excusing such actions isn't a form of support.
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I would have to drill 38 holes in my head to think that the protesters were supporting the rioters and looters.
 
tres borrachos said:
Their anecdotal evidence?
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When Caine gets on CNN I will give his anecdotal evidence more weight.

I seriously doubt pointing your gun at civilians as you drive by them was part of the "winning hearts and minds" program.
 
j-mac said:
You really should read your own link before posting it...From your Wiki article:

"Brown was allegedly involved in a felony strong arm robbery of a box of Swisher Sweets cigars at a convenience store prior to his death."

So please don't try to paint this as some kind of young man that was just minding his own business and the cop just decided to harass him....That is simply not the case.
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"Allegedly"??!!
 
Buck Ewer said:
The cop's name is being withheld against Missouri law.
The indecent report filed by the cop is a matter of public record.
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1) What law?

2) Releasing the cop's identity will serve no good purpose, and yes, I know it was released this morning.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It's also quite possible the white mayor was seen as doing a good job. There was a young lady, black, interviewed on CNN this morning who indicated that she was newly moved into the neighbourhood and found it was safe. She also noted that she'd been told by neighbours that there had been a number of burglaries, etc. and the community was happy because the police were doing more patrols in the area trying to discourage crime.

That's anecdotal, but that doesn't sound like a community in fear of authority and in fear of the police or a community that feels marginalized and unsupported by the powers in control.
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A persons testimony, well there you have it, settled. It should have just been another Pleasant Valley Sunday.
 
Thorgasm said:
It's all their fault then?

See why they feel marginalized?
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What else can outsiders do for them? They have to take the reins and responsibility sometime.
 
Buck Ewer said:
There have been at least three credible witnesses who have come forward.
All of them corroborate the same story of a clear case of 1st degree murder.
There is no reason why 1st degree murder charges and immediate arrest of the offending officer should not take place ...NOW!
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One isn't so credible, because he omitted the part where he may have been involved in a crime.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I wanted also to note that it appears that spokespeople and relatives/friends of the "victim" here have appeared on television a number of times indicating that they don't support the riots. looting, violence and that they support the police and authorities investigating this incident "the right way". In my view, these are the people who should be getting the publicity and community support and not the lawless animals who simply want an excuse to cause havoc.
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You have seen and heard them, as have we, they are being publicised. Who exactly is supporting the "lawless animals" criminal behaviour again? And not all those protesting, are committing acts of violence, and they have a constitutional right to be heard and acknowledged.
 
Thorgasm said:
The looting isn't justified. Neither is the rioting. Those accounts are consistent. It looks very bad for the cop.
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Unless the cop's story turns out to be true; then, it doesn't look quite as bad for the cop.
 
Thorgasm said:
"Professional racists" ~ I wonder why minorities feel marginalized. :roll:
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Professional racist - people who earn a living by shouting racism. Louis Farrikhan comes to mind. I can't find much about the school district, but do remember that the suit was about at large election of board members, that there were no Hispanics on the board, and that a lawsuit was filed in which the people suing walked away with a substantial sum of money.

This is the only reference I could find online:

Although the Cutler-Orosi case remains unresolved, the two Dinuba districts announced in August that they would adopt election systems with five single-member trustee districts. Two of the trustee wards in each school district would have a majority of Spanish-surnamed voters.
Even before the Dinuba case was settled, officials in the nearby community of Sanger were moving to abandon their at-large election procedures to avoid being sued.
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The claim was that Hispanics were discriminated against by electing the board members at large.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Nobody? Really? If more than one person was out on the streets these past few nights, burning and looting and causing havoc, then each and every one of those people was supporting the rioters/looters, often by being rioters/looters themselves.

In addition, I suppose you believe that justifying, rationalizing and excusing such actions isn't a form of support.
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More dishonesty, who are these people justifying and excusing the unfortunate criminal behaviour of "some" of the protesters?
 
Montecresto said:
"Allegedly"??!!
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Yes, allegedly.

In a civil society the way things are supposed to work is that if someone is suspected of illegal activity the incident is investigated by an authority tasked with that responsibility. If that authority approaches the suspect and seeks to inquire about their side of the story and that suspect then assaults the authority it kind of throws things out of whack.

We don't know all the facts and circumstances surrounding the incident in question but, at this point, all semblance of an investigation has been thrown out the window and people are seeking summary judgement against the authority.
 
Lutherf said:
"I'll believe my television no matter what!"

Good Lord, it really is the apocalypse!:doh
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I saw people on my television insist they were abducted by aliens and others insist they saw George Bush personally launch missiles into the WTC towers before they fell. I of course believed them.
 
Lutherf said:
Yes, allegedly.

In a civil society the way things are supposed to work is that if someone is suspected of illegal activity the incident is investigated by an authority tasked with that responsibility. If that authority approaches the suspect and seeks to inquire about their side of the story and that suspect then assaults the authority it kind of throws things out of whack.

We don't know all the facts and circumstances surrounding the incident in question but, at this point, all semblance of an investigation has been thrown out the window and people are seeking summary judgement against the authority.
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Right, which applies to every aspect of this story, presently.
 
clownboy said:
Can't honestly say I'm good at judging faces from photos no matter what color the subject is, but I do notice you chose the most innocent pictures of Brown you could find. And he is no small fellow. Imagine if you're a police officer and you have that fellow going for your gun.

I'm not saying that's absolutely what happened, but the posters saying, "wait for the results of the investigation" are absolutely right on.
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Well it's not like he is going to show these pics. He is just as likely to claim they are not him as well even though he doesn't know.


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Laws are not evenly and equally applied across class and racial lines. You don't see institutionalized racism for what it is. There are two sets of laws applied to different people in society, in this case white people get more empathy, less suspicion, and chances for redemption and black people get no empathy, suspicion and profiling, and must answer to the law.


clownboy said:
You'll have to at least read some non biased accounts of what we know thus far before you carry on embarrassing yourself. After you do, have a friend who understands court decisions and precedent to explain the decision to you. Have them repeat it until you understand. Then you can come back and apologize.
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Anyone know a good place to find case facts on this? I don't give a crap which way the decisions fall. I just want to know what happened.
 
tres borrachos said:
I saw people on my television insist they were abducted by aliens and others insist they saw George Bush personally launch missiles into the WTC towers before they fell. I of course believed them.
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I know that I should be used to the level of stupid I see on the internet but to read some of this stuff is just mind boggling. I mean, seriously, "anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything unless you see it on television"......really? No wonder this country is so screwed up.
 
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