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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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Oh FFS, we all get angry and frustrated. I'm frustrated right now with one of my customers. And very angry about something they did. Should I go to their headquarters and start throwing things and wrecking the place?

Normal, decent people control their anger and don't lash out. And the people in Ferguson aren't controlling their anger and frustration. That speaks volumes about them. There is NO excuse for this behavior - period.

There is a point where said customer can continue to do major things to screw you over, cause you great aggravation, cost you money and possibly cause you a lot of personal grief to the point where you lose it. Some of how you deal with your customer is based on how your management will support you. If they completely sided with the account, if your people don't you to STFU and apologize, kiss ass, welcome such behavior in the future as long as you save the account you are a some point going to lose it. You probably have a lot of safety valves and losing it may take a long time. But you DO have a limit. We have all seen normal decent people lose it.

Here's one of the problems of making black and white (pun intended) decisions. Issues are rarely black or white. You said the people involved in the protests in Ferguson are not normal, decent people. What we don't know is how they might have acted had a military force not responded under the guise of "police" and heavy handed and bullied the situation from day one.

I'm not sure why the governor didn't step in until today. Protocol says it should go from city to county to state and then federal. It normally must follow that path, and it can proceed quickly if need be. The local police were obviously out of their league from the start. What do police these days do when they want to control they often use sudden brute force, more than necessary. That is what happened on the police side of the issue in Ferguson. It exacerbated the situation. It threw fuel on the fire. It made it all much worse and quickly. And then the police made it worse again. Local community leaders, calmer minds of respect community voices didn't have time to respond.

There have been "un-normal" and "un-decent" acts on both sides of the situation. We will no doubt find that loads of mistakes were made on both sides. The police should be trained not to make the monumental that were made.
 
Far too many cops are nothing more than thugs with badges. They overreact and often resort to far more force than is necessary to control a situation. You only have to read a newspaper - any paper anywhere in the country - to understand that. It attracts a certain kind of person, and often these are bullies who enjoy exercising power on the powerless.

Again, your statement says far more about you than it does the police.
 
There is a point where said customer can continue to do major things to screw you over, cause you great aggravation, cost you money and possibly cause you a lot of personal grief to the point where you lose it. Some of how you deal with your customer is based on how your management will support you. If they completely sided with the account, if your people don't you to STFU and apologize, kiss ass, welcome such behavior in the future as long as you save the account you are a some point going to lose it. You probably have a lot of safety valves and losing it may take a long time. But you DO have a limit. We have all seen normal decent people lose it.

Here's one of the problems of making black and white (pun intended) decisions. Issues are rarely black or white. You said the people involved in the protests in Ferguson are not normal, decent people. What we don't know is how they might have acted had a military force not responded under the guise of "police" and heavy handed and bullied the situation from day one.

I'm not sure why the governor didn't step in until today. Protocol says it should go from city to county to state and then federal. It normally must follow that path, and it can proceed quickly if need be. The local police were obviously out of their league from the start. What do police these days do when they want to control they often use sudden brute force, more than necessary. That is what happened on the police side of the issue in Ferguson. It exacerbated the situation. It threw fuel on the fire. It made it all much worse and quickly. And then the police made it worse again. Local community leaders, calmer minds of respect community voices didn't have time to respond.

There have been "un-normal" and "un-decent" acts on both sides of the situation. We will no doubt find that loads of mistakes were made on both sides. The police should be trained not to make the monumental that were made.

There is no excuse for their behavior, period. None. The only ones who have a reason and a right to be angry, frustrated or anything right now is the family of the man who was shot.

I have never seen normal decent people act like this. Yes, I have a limit. I also don't loot and riot.
 
And what you don't get is any concept of why the riot occurred. To you it's just another bunch of out of control black people that need to be kept in their place.

It IS a bunch of out of control PEOPLE that need to be put back in their place. Why the riot occurred has very little to do with the shooting, that is the reason for the peaceful protests and calls for investigation. The riots are caused by anger and greed. Not anything you would defend if it were your community.
 
I've wondered how people justify looting, in their own minds, under any conditions! It's theft, plain and simple! All of us have been frustrated at some point in our lives, but frustration isn't relieved by doing this, but it is an opportunity to steal to get something for nothing. Those business owners had nothing to do with the shooting, yet their stores were ransacked and burned. Same when the levees failed during Katrina. Very sad to see....

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

You are talking about Wall Street, correct? And still they are free and have continued to benefit from their predatory ways and ill-gotten gains.
 
Oh FFS, we all get angry and frustrated. I'm frustrated right now with one of my customers. And very angry about something they did. Should I go to their headquarters and start throwing things and wrecking the place?

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People who excuse that behavior are probably the same ones who let their two year-olds act like little assholes, and never teach them to control their two-year-old instincts.
 
Again, your statement says far more about you than it does the police.

After reading all of these posts denigrating policemen, I truly hope none of these people who detest them so much ever plan to use the services of these evil, rotten bullies in a time of need for themselves or their families.
 
People who excuse that behavior are probably the same ones who let their two year-olds act like little assholes, and never teach them to control their two-year-old instincts.

or who were allowed to act that way as two year olds. Throwing tantrums at two is normal. If the child gets what he wants by throwing tantrums, then that two year old behavior is likely to continue into adulthood.
 
It's because in our society, we have been made to feel guilty if someone is lacking in anything, no matter the reason for that being the case, and there has been a push for the past few decades to "equalize" the socioeconomic status of the masses, and make people who succeed feel guilty for doing so. That is how they justify it. It isn't "fair" that some people have more than others, so in their minds, looting is just people who have been unfairly treated, getting what is rightfully theirs. It's disgusting.

I wonder if they would feel the same if they, or their parents or any close family member, had their buildings ransacked and then burned by a mob! I very much doubt it, lizzie - they would be screaming for retribution! What a disgusting display of humanity at its worst! Is this what justifies theft these days? :bs:

Greetings, lizzie. :2wave:
 
Hey, you're the one that suggested it. Meanwhile, do you give a damn that an unarmed kid was gunned down in the street by a trigger happy cop? Or was he guilty of the crime of being a black teenager and therefore he got what he deserved.

Pretty sure we all give a damn when a person is gunned down whether they merit it or not. But look at your characterization - the victim is automatically an angelic child and the officer is a "trigger happy cop". You have shown no indication that you would accept any truth that doesn't come with labeling all cops evil.
 
or who were allowed to act that way as two year olds. Throwing tantrums at two is normal. If the child gets what he wants by throwing tantrums, then that two year old behavior is likely to continue into adulthood.

THat is pretty much what I was saying.
 
Im under the impression that they majority of posters in this thread do not have any REAL contact with the inner city black people that tend to do such things. I was at one of FoMoCo older plants in dearborn. And someone couldnt get their candy out of a vending machine, so they started hitting the glass on the machine so it would drop. Well they ended up breaking the glass and within seconds it was like a feeding frenzy and the machine was cleared out of snacks. I couldn't believe what I had just witnessed, it was truly like people had lost their minds for that 30seconds. :shock:
 
There is no excuse for their behavior, period. None. The only ones who have a reason and a right to be angry, frustrated or anything right now is the family of the man who was shot.

I have never seen normal decent people act like this. Yes, I have a limit. I also don't loot and riot.

Yes, I don't recall many educated, white, professional, women to the manor born rioting in America or anywhere else for that matter.
 
Yes, I don't recall many educated, white, professional, women to the manor born rioting in America or anywhere else for that matter.

Do you recall any educated, black, professional women or men rioting in America or anywhere else?
 
I've wondered how people justify looting, in their own minds, under any conditions! It's theft, plain and simple! All of us have been frustrated at some point in our lives, but frustration isn't relieved by doing this, but it is an opportunity to steal to get something for nothing. Those business owners had nothing to do with the shooting, yet their stores were ransacked and burned. Same when the levees failed during Katrina. Very sad to see....

Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

What happens is that some people have been taught from birth that they are entitled to certain things and that when they don't get those things it's because they are being oppressed. These people have been raised to be victims of society and that sense of victimization is reinforced every day by the news, the politicians, the community organizers and other opportunists who figure that they can make a buck by exploiting their vulnerability.

When someone in a position like that sees an opportunity to exact a little revenge on society for all their ills they take it. They may as well take it too because at that point they have nothing to lose. Sure, they might get arrested but that isn't really a problem because they were never going to get a good job anyway. Furthermore, if they do get arrested that just confirms that they are victims of racial or ethnic bias like they have always been told.
 
Yes, I don't recall many educated, white, professional, women to the manor born rioting in America or anywhere else for that matter.

I've also never seen any decent uneducated white men, or decent educated black men, or decent educated Asian women, or decent uneducated Spanish women, or decent educated Native American men, or decent black women rioting or looting, etc. etc. People who riot and loot aren't decent.
 
I'm confused. I hadn't heard that the young man killed in Ferguson was the victim of improperly used surplus military equipment.

This sounds to me like another knee jerk reaction by a politician who feels every action requires an ignorant reaction from a politician.

I think that he's responding to the response to the events subsequent to the shooting of the young man.
 
After reading all of these posts denigrating policemen, I truly hope none of these people who detest them so much ever plan to use the services of these evil, rotten bullies in a time of need for themselves or their families.


Its not that all cops are bad, but that the systems in place cover for them.

I've heard it explained that admitting police wrongdoing creates mistrust and second guessing. But sweeping every misdeed under the rug makes those who witness such occurrences CERTAIN that the department in question is corrupt.

So in order to save face with the population overall, they cause a few to turn against them for good every time they "let it slide".

Police/public relationships would improve dramatically if cops who **** up were held strictly accountable.

Hell, statistics involving complaints of abuse dropping dramatically when cops are required to wear cameras, as well as the aggressive ways they deal with those filming them in action speaks volumes as to how cops were behaving when no one was around to see.
 
Its not that all cops are bad, but that the systems in place cover for them.

I've heard it explained that admitting police wrongdoing creates mistrust and second guessing. But sweeping every misdeed under the rug makes those who witness such occurrences CERTAIN that the department in question is corrupt.

So in order to save face with the population overall, they cause a few to turn against them for good every time they "let it slide".

Police/public relationships would improve dramatically if cops who **** up were held strictly accountable.

Hell, statistics involving complaints of abuse dropping dramatically when cops are required to wear cameras, as well as the aggressive ways they deal with those filming them in action speaks volumes as to how cops were behaving when no one was around to see.

YOu can believe me when I say I have no love for cops, but having a bad cop here and there does NOT justify animalistic behavior. Supposedly, western civilization has moved beyond the point of monkey behaviors, and has the capability of resolving problems with intellect and reason. Sometimes bad **** happens, but that is no reason to turn into animals.
 
I specifically said NOT a quota system but a deliberate attempt to attract qualified candidates.

And I posted a link, one of several available, that the Police Chief there has been working on that since he took over. They even raised salaries, but every time they get a black officer trained, they get headhunted by other departments with offers of even more pay.
 
Unarmed protestors exercising their first amendment rights don't throw firebombs and loot businesses. I find that disturbing.

Unfortunately Wiggen set you up for that with his hyperbole. Have you ever seen photos of the riots in LA in the 60's and the dress and gear of the police responding to it then. That's how Americans should want our police to look and behave. If (IF) circumstances warrant more, bring in the NG, and then put them back away. Hell no, it was bull **** in Boston and its bull **** here. I'm glad the AG is speaking out against it and I'm glad somebody is proposing legislation to walk this bull**** back.
 
YOu can believe me when I say I have no love for cops, but having a bad cop here and there does NOT justify animalistic behavior. Supposedly, western civilization has moved beyond the point of monkey behaviors, and has the capability of resolving problems with intellect and reason. Sometimes bad **** happens, but that is no reason to turn into animals.

I agree to a point. But when you know for a fact that no matter how badly individual cops behave they will NEVER be held accountable, civilized responses are worthless.

And with the advent of less than lethal weapons, even simply gathering in the streets demanding something be done is met with casual overwhelming force. Which only escalates the situation.
 
I agree to a point. But when you know for a fact that no matter how badly individual cops behave they will NEVER be held accountable, civilized responses are worthless.

And with the advent of less than lethal weapons, even simply gathering in the streets demanding something be done is met with casual overwhelming force. Which only escalates the situation.

How do you know the bolded as fact?
 
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