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Protests over Missouri teen's death turn violent[W:647,807]

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.. Are you intentionally trying to parody yourself?

No.

All those looting "protesters" had themselves a "nigga moment" as described by the Boondocks kid in that video.
 
They're demanding a 'murder charge' against the officer not a verdict. First things, first.

And when they get that, they'll demand a conviction...mob rule.
 
No.

All those looting "protesters" had themselves a "nigga moment" as described by the Boondocks kid in that video.

Not really. The video sort of explain why nigga moments happen. Regular riots occur when one subsection of society is constantly being attacked by another that is protected by the government. American police forces have been used to attack blacks for over 150 years. That we're quick to distrust them and react violently when another police officer is declared innocent by an all white jury is what doesn't surprise me. However, I don't condone it. :shrug:

Fun fact: Did you know that police agencies do not release the conviction rates of officers who have been accused of violating the law?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
I apologize. I got your comments mixed up with clownboy's in your exchange with him.

Whew. I thought what body snatcher got Hatuey?
 
Read a few pages in this thread... and started laughing at all the suburban white folks discussing gang signs and how they identify them.

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Then, I was a little bit sad because it made me realize how many people there are on this forum that pull **** out of their asses without having a clue what it is they're talking about.

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First, I looked at this post:



First and foremost, the gangs have a pretty large array of gang signs. That sign that Spock from Star Trek makes? Vice Lords. That heavy metal sign? MS13. Crossed fingers? Ñetas. Placing your fingers in a way to signal size and creating a C? Crips. So yeah, pretty much anything is a gang sign. In short, putting out your fingers the way he did is pretty common in pictures by ghetto kids whether they're in gangs or not. It's not really something which can be associated with a gang.

However, let's say for argument's sake he really was throwing up a gang sign. Making a gang sign makes you a gang member the way holding a guitar makes you a musician. It doesn't matter the context. It's irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Being a baby-G, affiliated, initiated or OG doesn't work like that. Doing a gang sign in the ghetto won't get you killed. This isn't 1983. The overwhelming majority of neighborhoods where people are getting killed are neighborhoods with turf wars going on. However, even if it was the early days of the crack epidemic, you'd mostly get your ass kicked and it'd be done. Gang murders happen because you tried to come and sell product in an area that was already controlled by someone else. Don't believe me? Ask Frank Lucas.

Source: I know a little bit about these things.

As far as the rioting goes... I can't say I'm all that surprised but I don't condone it.
Our gang keeps it simple and old school...

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Our gang keeps it simple and old school...

Old school... so old school that there are black and white pictures of people doing it. I'm not interested in stuff so old most of the people who praise it are on the verge of dying.
 
Whew. I thought what body snatcher got Hatuey?

Explain to me then, because this is something that I've always been curious about and honestly don't understand, did blacks during the Rodney King Riot hit the Korean district so hard?
 
Explain to me then, because this is something that I've always been curious about and honestly don't understand, did blacks during the Rodney King Riot hit the Korean district so hard?

Mostly this:

1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A year prior to the Los Angeles riots, storekeeper Soon Ja Du argued with ninth-grader Latasha Harlins over whether the 15-year-old had been trying to steal a bottle of orange juice from Empire Liquor, the store Du's family owned in Compton. After a brief fight, Du shot and killed Harlins. (Security tape showed the girl was still clutching $2 in her hand when investigators arrived.) Du was convicted of voluntary manslaughter but not sentenced to any prison time.[53] This was the catalyst that fueled much of the rage against Koreans and Korean storeowners in the Los Angeles community. Racial tensions had been simmering underneath the surface for several years. Many African-Americans were angry toward a growing Korean merchant community in South Central Los Angeles earning a living in their communities, and felt disrespected and looked down on by many Korean merchants. Cultural differences and a language barrier further fueled tensions in an already fragile environment. With the acquittal of four LAPD officers in the Rodney King beating trial and the aftermath of the Soon Ja Du trial where she was sentenced to probation for killing Latasha Harlins, the Los Angeles riots ensued and much of the anger was directed at Koreans.

It's kind of sad. Blacks really have gotten the end of the short stick when it comes to self defense. I for one am starting to support the second amendment and CCW rights because of it. Let's see how the law works when everyone is allowed to kill everyone without repercussion.
 
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And when they get that, they'll demand a conviction...mob rule.
In some circles it's called exercising first and second amendment rights. Because of this killing, gun sales are on the rise in St. Louis and I shouldn't have to tell you who is buying them and why. That should make NRA members feel safer, eh?


The cops in both this and the Gardner case instigated and escalated the situation. Imo, there should be convictions because it sure as hell wasn't self defense.
 
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Mostly this:

1992 Los Angeles riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's kind of sad. Blacks really have gotten the end of the short stick when it comes to self defense. I for one am starting to support the second amendment and CCW rights because of it. Let's see how the law works when everyone is allowed to kill everyone without repercussion.

I'd knew there was racial tensions but what I don't get is that, the officers in the Rodney King beating weren't Korean though right? They also didn't riot when that happened right? I just don't get the timing of it. White guy kills a black guy, so let's go pay back the Koreans for last year? Know what I mean?
 
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Im sure someone will try to peg me as racist.... But it fits the bill for the rioting situation like no other.....


Yep, that's racist.

White people riot too. Except it's over even stupider things like Guns N Roses not going on stage or the Vancouver Canucks losing the Stanley Cup Finals.
 
Old school... so old school that there are black and white pictures of people doing it. I'm not interested in stuff so old most of the people who praise it are on the verge of dying.

Meh...it's like jeans and t-shirts. Some things never go out of style.
 
True Story Time!!!

So there I was in Police Academy back in 2006 and we were doing some of our "scenario training", so there I was backup officer on this scenario and the primary, a retired Air Force "Security Police" NCO, had worked through the scenario and gotten to a point where use of deadly force was required, and he "bang bang bang"-ed off a few simulated shots and stopped, and then got heckled by one of the Officer/instructors about stopping shooting so soon, so he sarcastically continued "Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang" then motioned a "simulated" magazine change, and started yelling bang bang bang bang again until they had to yell over him to stop.

So, just a nice little anecdotal story to go along with what clownboy stated in his post that you quoted.

Nice story. Was Godzilla in the simulation? :lol:
 
I'd knew there was racial tensions but what I don't get is that, the officers in the Rodney King beating weren't Korean though right? They also didn't riot when that happened right? I just don't get the timing of it. White guy kills a black guy, so let's go pay back the Koreans for last year? Know what I mean?

As a former resident of the Compton area and someone who was in the city at the time, I can tell you it doesn't really matter. Racial tensions tend to work over decades. The Irish/Polish were mistreated for only 20 years before they finally decided they weren't taking that **** and burnt down half of NYC over the Civil War draft. Gangs of New York did a ****ty job at explaining it but really, it was a lot of things grouped together and the catalyst spread out the mess. It's not supposed to make sense because it doesn't. However, it's just more proof that history is not a sequence of events that are only lightly related. Specially when it comes to race and culture. These things have decades and centuries of history sometimes. Muslims and Jews don't hate each other because of those 3 kids that were killed. They hated each other for 1500 years. The dead kids? That's just icing on the cake. Likewise the Hutu and Tutsi violence isn't "spontaneous". The Tutsis also did their share of massacres and oppression. The Hutus never forgot. I've been arguing for years that there needs to be some sort of open All-American discussion on this matter. Wrongs need to be aired out and people from both sides need to admit that certain actions were wrong and discuss how we can better the situation. However, everyone is too concerned with how they'll look if they admit that slavery was wrong or that maybe rioting after the Rodney King trial wasn't a great idea.
 
You assume a lot. You assume that it is a fact that he was shot that many times. I assert that he might have been shot 9 times, or 5 times, or 13 times. Nobody knows for sure. The guy in the youtube video might be right or he might be wrong. I can wait for the official report to find out. I kinda like facts. I guess I am funny that way.

You also assume that all police officers are good with their weapons. That isn't necessarily true. I was a marksmanship trainer for about 5 years. Some of our folks were law enforcement. They weren't any better than our average soldier as far as accuracy goes.

As for how many rounds it might take down a person, there is no set count. To answer this question you have to take into account the clothing they are wearing (jacket, thick cloth, leather, cotton), the bullet that is used, the speed the bullet is traveling, length of the barrel (will affect speed, longer faster, shorter slower), the point of impact on the person, if the person even realizes they have been shot, the efficiency of the shooter, the caliber of the bullet, the structure of the bullet (soft tipped hollow point, regular hollow point, ball ammo, copper jacketed, full lead, wad cutter). This is just the bullet side of the equation. Then one has to start taking into account all the physical variables of the person shot. So, there is not magic answer to your question. It takes what it takes.

One problem with some police is that they usually rely on one person to set the standard for the weapons that are used and the ammo for those weapons. Sometimes the person that sets the standards doesn't know much about ballistics. In the early 90's the tacticool round was supposed to be a 9mm 147 grain Hydrashok. That round sucks unless a person is counting on penetration, such as through windshields, car doors or leather jackets. More penetration means the round is heavier and usually travels slower. That means less temporary wound cavity. Less temporary wound cavity is great for causing stopping damage.

Then there are the variables of torso density, size, did the round strike bone or not, did it deflect. What is the person's mental state. I know folks that have been shot and didn't even notice it until it was pointed out to them.

All summed up I think you assume too much. I think you need more facts. I am not defending the police, just pointing out that people go off half cocked and make wrong assumptions. The Denver Police Dept. is a good example of why I tend to judge police by what I know about them personally. All the uniform/badge tells me is that they are authorized to wear a uniform/badge. It doesn't mean they are good or bad, it just means they are in a uniform.

Back to rioting. There is a pattern I have noticed about rioting. It is usually a shooting that starts it and it is usually a shooting that ends it. There isn't any reason or rationale for rioting. Only scum bags riot.

My father was also a marksmanship trainer too. You obviously know what you are talking about when it comes to ammo. Police around here are required to qualify regularly.

With that said, I don't think it really matters what grain or load you use when shooting an unarmed man running away from you. ;) From what I understand, his body was 35 ft. from the car, where the altercation started. He was unarmed. While I am assuming things, I assume that the eyewitnesses probably have that part correct. It's not like they all got together and got their story straight because he was the first man the police in St. Louis have ever shot and killed.
 
What I find kind of weird is that all the people in this area seem to be majority black. So why is it that all the cops that work that area seem to be white?

Doesn't seem like a very open job to get into. Kind of smacks of cronyism.
 
As a former resident of the Compton area and someone who was in the city at the time, I can tell you it doesn't really matter. Racial tensions tend to work over decades. The Irish/Polish were mistreated for only 20 years before they finally decided they weren't taking that **** and burnt down half of NYC over the Civil War draft. Gangs of New York did a ****ty job at explaining it but really, it was a lot of things grouped together and the catalyst spread out the mess. It's not supposed to make sense because it doesn't. However, it's just more proof that history is not a sequence of events that are only lightly related. Specially when it comes to race and culture. These things have decades and centuries of history sometimes. Muslims and Jews don't hate each other because of those 3 kids that were killed. They hated each other for 1500 years. The dead kids? That's just icing on the cake. Likewise the Hutu and Tutsi violence isn't "spontaneous". The Tutsis also did their share of massacres and oppression. The Hutus never forgot. I've been arguing for years that there needs to be some sort of open All-American discussion on this matter. Wrongs need to be aired out and people from both sides need to admit that certain actions were wrong and discuss how we can better the situation. However, everyone is too concerned with how they'll look if they admit that slavery was wrong or that maybe rioting after the Rodney King trial wasn't a great idea.

It might just be me but, doesn't that whole spiel indicate the anger should of been focused on the whites? I mean, blacks have historically had more beef with whites than Koreans no?
 
Explain to me then, because this is something that I've always been curious about and honestly don't understand, did blacks during the Rodney King Riot hit the Korean district so hard?

I lived in the LA area back then. I think that they tried to but from what I remember I saw Koreans on their roof with their rifles, AK-47's and pistols making messing with them a very difficult thing to do.

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What I find kind of weird is that all the people in this area seem to be majority black. So why is it that all the cops that work that area seem to be white?

Doesn't seem like a very open job to get into. Kind of smacks of cronyism.

That's why I've always been more in favor of neighborhood watches that coordinate with police forces. The idea would be that you let the community police itself with some sort of atache deal going on, or maybe mixed units of Neighborhood watch with beat cops that can back them up.
 
It might just be me but, doesn't that whole spiel indicate the anger should of been focused on the whites? I mean, blacks have historically had more beef with whites than Koreans no?

Well, the anger wasn't really focused on Koreans... they just so happened to have a lot of shops near black people. Black business owners were affected by the riots too.
 
What I find kind of weird is that all the people in this area seem to be majority black. So why is it that all the cops that work that area seem to be white?

Doesn't seem like a very open job to get into. Kind of smacks of cronyism.

I read somewhere that of 53 cops, 3 are black.
 
I lived in the LA area back then. I think that they tried to but from what I remember I saw Koreans on their roof with their rifles, AK-47's and pistols making messing with them a very difficult thing to do.

That was definitely a fun sight to behold, but still that didn't stop the looters from trying though. And with all the police bunkered at their HQ, that left the people to defend themselves. This for me was one of those eye opening moments when it came to gun control and how dangerous taking guns away from citizens could be.
 
Well, the anger wasn't really focused on Koreans... they just so happened to have a lot of shops near black people. Black business owners were affected by the riots too.

So the riots weren't really about getting back at the white men... or anyone else for that matter then was it? That's what I hear when I hear that black people were getting hit as well...
 
That's why I've always been more in favor of neighborhood watches that coordinate with police forces. The idea would be that you let the community police itself with some sort of atache deal going on, or maybe mixed units of Neighborhood watch with beat cops that can back them up.

Perhaps but my point was, it doesn't seem like they are hiring people of the area that a police unit is policing. I mean if you are a news org and you have a story break in china town, you'd likely send a chinese reporter if you had one. Or a black reporter if a story broke in a black neighborhood. The fact that the community seems to be minority in the majority but are not being hired... doesn't seem right in the hiring practices.
 
In some circles it's called exercising first and second amendment rights. Because of this killing, gun sales are on the rise in St. Louis and I shouldn't have to tell you who is buying them and why. That should make NRA members feel safer, eh?

The cops in both this and the Gardner case instigated and escalated the situation. Imo, there should be convictions because it sure as hell wasn't self defense.

Humor me...
 
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