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Are you referring to people who came across the pacific from Asia?

Yes

It would be an incredibly new concept for hunter-gatherers.

8,000 BCE or 4,000 BCE ... Had to start sometime.

I haven't heard that one before but it sounds like you're saying agriculture is the cause for the loss of fertility

Over use of the soils. Yes.

So how did Fertile Crescent peoples lose that big lead? The short answer is ecological suicide: They inadvertently destroyed the environmental resources on which their society depended. Just as the region's rise wasn't due to any special virtue of its people, its fall wasn't due to any special blindness on their part. Instead, they had the misfortune to be living in an extremely fragile environment, which, because of its low rainfall, was particularly susceptible to deforestation.

The Erosion of Civilization - Los Angeles Times

do you have any links for that? I would be interested in reading about it. AFAIK, the changes in the region were caused by climate and possibly aggravated by agricultural practices which used up the fertility. I have never heard of a theory that left climate changes out of it.

PS - I also wonder if part of the reason for so little domestication of animals in the New World might be due to a shortage of domesticable animals on the continent.

Agriculture fueled a population explosion, and also generated food surpluses that could be used to feed full-time professional specialists, who no longer had to devote time to procuring their own food.

These specialists fed by agriculture included smiths and metal workers, who developed the world's first copper tools around 5000 BC, bronze tools around 3000 BC and iron tools around 1500 BC. The specialists also included accountants and scribes, who developed the world's first writing system around 3400 BC. That was a huge head start: Writing didn't reach what is now the United States until 5,000 years later. It makes Iraq's current rate of illiteracy an especially cruel irony.

Agriculture also fed politicians, bureaucrats and judges. That's why the world's first states arose in Iraq around 3500 BC, and the first multiethnic empire arose there around 3000 BC.


The Erosion of Civilization - Los Angeles Times
 
That's because most White children who come from money are enrolled in private schools to be segregated from students 'of color' for all the obvious reasons.........

This is statistically incorrect... by a lot.
 
Prove that the second generation doesn't speak English and doesn't participate in American culture and politics.

You said "refusal to assimilate" not "doesn't speak English". If you have been to areas like I described then you would know what I am talking about. People speaking Spanish. Signs in Spanish. Firing of white American teachers in order to get in Mexican teachers. Non-support of USA soccer team in favour of Mexico (watch world cup and look at all the flags.)

Now this does not mean that they are bad people or anything... just that they are not so interested in "assimilating".
 
Yes, I was there yesterday and saw plenty of English signage and plenty of people speaking English. And I'm in La Puente, talk about Latino community, and still 2nd generation are fluent in English, go to pubic school, have iphones and other American culture items,... there is one small grocery that is predominately Spanish language products, but the people working there speak English and have no problem helping an ignorantly uni-lingual 'merican like me. There are also two other grocers same within a block or so that are just your normal Vons or Food4Less or Walmart Marketplace so it's not like I can't go somewhere else just as easily. My printer about three blocks away is Iranian, and there are dozens of Asian owned restaurants throughout.

I think you just try to focus on things that offend you and are way too easily offended.

I am not offended. I like Mexican food and speak Spanish. Two of our top five places to eat are Supermex and Taco Mesa.

Assimilation does not happen in Little Saigon, China Town, Little Italy or any other heavily populated and isolated area of immigrants.
 
Those countries have had many changes and ups and downs over the centuries, just as every western nation has. They have made many major technological acheivements and they are currently thriving economically, all without a significant Christian influence.

The Japanese are NOT " striving economically ". They've been struggling for what ? Over 20 years now ?

Because their Politicians are more loyal to a economic premise based on ideology rather than economic principles based on reality.

They've tried and tried again to deficit spend their way out of a recession ( 10 Stimulus packages totaling 10 Trillion Yen in 10 years ) and they even " invested in infrastructure ".

It didn't work.

Now, they've entered into a ridiculous Monetary stimulus as a last ditch effort to save their economy.
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Its not working. How could it ?
 
I am not offended. I like Mexican food and speak Spanish. Two of our top five places to eat are Supermex and Taco Mesa.

Assimilation does not happen in Little Saigon, China Town, Little Italy or any other heavily populated and isolated area of immigrants.
You just said that about Santa Ana and Latinos, and are wrong, so why in any rational world would I believe this? Seriously.
 
You just said that about Santa Ana and Latinos, and are wrong, so why in any rational world would I believe this? Seriously.

I see. Make it personal instead of just debating the issue. Good for you. I must be a racist too, huh? :lol:

He made a point about assimilation and he brought up the Latinos. Why I would try to impress upon you anything but the truth is beyond me.

Just to be clear:

You don't believe that I like Mexican food.
You don't believe that I speak Spanish.
You don't believe that I love to eat at Taco Mesa or Supermex.
You believe that assimilation can occur when immigrants isolate themselves, and
You believe that I am offended.

Those conclusions are literally so stupid that I am in awe that you would actually utter them... :lol:

Okee Dokee sweetie... whatever you say. The monkey bars or right over there... go and play, have a juicy in a bit.
 
Make sure your chicken and burgers are fully cooked - you don't want a Bachmann surprise.

Update on my granddaughter's birthday party/cookout on Sunday. We were swarmed with birthday girl's friends - I thought it was just family celebrating - and so did my daughter-in-law- :shock: , who ended up ordering about a dozen pizzas, to feed everyone. I thought of you and the "Bachmann surprise" when I saw those pizzas, and I laughed and laughed, silently of course! :mrgreen:

Being the matriarch of the family, I suggested - nicely demanded actually - that the BD girl take her friends to another part of the yard to eat...the adults wanted to be able to talk to each other without shouting! Good time was had by all, though, at a memorable birthday party! :thumbs:.... Birthday cake was an "ice cream cake" from Dairy Queen, and it was good! Good thing DIL had ordered a large cake, though, even though our slices ended up quite small!! BTW, BG claimed no prior knowledge of the invasion, which made us all believe they are endowed with ESP when they're young....it was the only thing that made sense, right? :lamo:
 
The authors of Sex at Dawn (excllent book BTW) report that the archeological evidence shows significantly worse nutrition and reduced populations duing the early generations of agrarian living after abandoning the hunter/gathering life. It does not get into the environmental pressures that might have led to the abandonment of hunting/gathering. My guess is that rising human population levels may also be a factor.

Rising population is an environmental factor. Maybe I should have made it clearer as to what I was referring to when I spoke of environmental factors.

Anyway, I was looking into the issue last night, and it appears there are several theories as to why hunter-gathering societies switched to agriculture. One theory is rising population. Another suggests that a tradition of tying social standing to the ability to throw parties where large amounts of food was served encouraged those who sought higher standing to engage in more productive means. Another theory ties it to rising spirituality which motivated groups to build ever larger shrines and monuments to the gods, an activity which required a surplus in order to feed the workers engaged in such construction.

There were a few others, but I don't remember them off the top of my head.
 

Were there horses where they landed?

Either way, it's unreasonable to think they should have domesticated horses when no one else in the world had and even though those others had longer to do so.

on edit: Furthermore, they also did not have any prior experience domesticating wild animals (AFAIK) such as goats. I suspect the Americas are lacking domesticable animals

8,000 BCE or 4,000 BCE ... Had to start sometime.

Again, there was no need given the abundance of resources. There was no motivation to do so. IOW, the lack of domesticating horses, or developing agriculture is not the result of any cultural inferiority. It was the result of circumstance, as Jared Diamond argues.



Over use of the soils. Yes.

So not exactly an argument for the superiority of cultures that engaged in agriculture, eh?

So how did Fertile Crescent peoples lose that big lead? The short answer is ecological suicide: They inadvertently destroyed the environmental resources on which their society depended. Just as the region's rise wasn't due to any special virtue of its people, its fall wasn't due to any special blindness on their part. Instead, they had the misfortune to be living in an extremely fragile environment, which, because of its low rainfall, was particularly susceptible to deforestation.

The Erosion of Civilization - Los Angeles Times



Agriculture fueled a population explosion, and also generated food surpluses that could be used to feed full-time professional specialists, who no longer had to devote time to procuring their own food.

These specialists fed by agriculture included smiths and metal workers, who developed the world's first copper tools around 5000 BC, bronze tools around 3000 BC and iron tools around 1500 BC. The specialists also included accountants and scribes, who developed the world's first writing system around 3400 BC. That was a huge head start: Writing didn't reach what is now the United States until 5,000 years later. It makes Iraq's current rate of illiteracy an especially cruel irony.

Agriculture also fed politicians, bureaucrats and judges. That's why the world's first states arose in Iraq around 3500 BC, and the first multiethnic empire arose there around 3000 BC.


The Erosion of Civilization - Los Angeles Times

Thanks for the link and the quotes (and the discussion). It's been interesting
 
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Just another sign that the "open borders" quasi policy is on a path to overburden our systems...What say you?

Link

As if brown people already living here don't have babies.
 
The best way to take down a nation is not by power, force, military, or any of that kind of stuff, but rather by swamping it with more people that they have to take care of....Back in WWII, the Chinese had a plan to take over Russia. It basically consisted of having their troops surrender in droves to the point where the Russian system would be so overburdened that it collapsed, and China could take over without firing a shot...This is what the liberals, and bleeding hearts are doing with this open borders policy, and they know it...

In the midst of all your fear-mongering based on... well... nothing but feelings... I'll just leave this here:

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero—and Perhaps Less

A Pew Research Hispanic Center study finds that Border Patrol apprehensions of all unauthorized immigrants are at their lowest level since 1971. "In spite of (and perhaps because of) increases in the number of U.S. Border Patrol agents, apprehensions of Mexicans trying to cross the border illegally have plummeted in recent years—from more than 1 million in 2005 to 286,000 in 2011—a likely indication that fewer unauthorized migrants are trying to cross," it concluded.​

Talk about distraction politics... "BUT LOOK AT THE BROWN PEOPLE CROSSING THE BORDER1!!!11!!!!!"

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I see. Make it personal instead of just debating the issue. Good for you. I must be a racist too, huh? :lol:

He made a point about assimilation and he brought up the Latinos. Why I would try to impress upon you anything but the truth is beyond me.

Just to be clear:

You don't believe that I like Mexican food.
You don't believe that I speak Spanish.
You don't believe that I love to eat at Taco Mesa or Supermex.
You believe that assimilation can occur when immigrants isolate themselves, and
You believe that I am offended.

Those conclusions are literally so stupid that I am in awe that you would actually utter them... :lol:

Okee Dokee sweetie... whatever you say. The monkey bars or right over there... go and play, have a juicy in a bit.

Wow, where did I say any of that. You are pathetic and/or comprehension challenged.
 
Even though it is racist, it is fair to say most countries where "brown people" are a majority are definitely screwed up. Even Asian countries are a mess. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are probably the only exceptions.

Africa? Seriously? People there die by age 50. Per Capita GDP of almost every country is below $5000. Disease, pestilence, poverty, famine are all synonymous with Africa.

India? Another place where people die young. Male life expectancy is 63. 600 million people there are living without sewers or running water. There caste system is worse than Eurpoe during the Middle Ages. Crowded, horrible women's rights...you name it.

Muslim countries? Hell, even the good ones like Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan are turning to ****. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Arab Emirates are perhaps not yet sewers, but I would not live in them. No thank you.

South and Central America? Short of Costa Rica, where there can someone call it nice? Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay maybe, but only if you are rich. Peru? Ok, maybe. But then all you need do is look at Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela to know something is very wrong down there too.
 
Were there horses where they landed?

Yes...

Either way, it's unreasonable to think they should have domesticated horses when no one else in the world had and even though those others had longer to do so.

I am not saying they were morons... just that they missed a golden opportunity.

on edit: Furthermore, they also did not have any prior experience domesticating wild animals (AFAIK) such as goats. I suspect the Americas are lacking domesticable animals

Deer. Wolves. Turkeys. Bison. Elk. Ducks. Moose. Geese. Llama.

Again, there was no need given the abundance of resources. There was no motivation to do so. IOW, the lack of domesticating horses, or developing agriculture is not the result of any cultural inferiority. It was the result of circumstance, as Jared Diamond argues.

I am not sure where you are getting cultural inferiority from...

So not exactly an argument for the superiority of cultures that engaged in agriculture, eh?

Again... as above.

Thanks for the link and the quotes (and the discussion). It's been interesting

Agreed...
 
Yes...



I am not saying they were morons... just that they missed a golden opportunity.

Thanks, and yes, they missed an opportunity for sure, but for the reasons I've argued, it would unreasonable to think they would have domesticated them


Deer. Wolves. Turkeys. Bison. Elk. Ducks. Moose. Geese. Llama.

Some of those have not been domesticated, and of the ones that have, I believe they were all domesticated after horses had been eliminated in North America.

I am not sure where you are getting cultural inferiority from...



Again... as above.

Not saying it was from you, but arguments have been made by some that Europeans dominated the indians because of some inherent form of cultural superiority (in the form of character, or religion/morals, etc). That really happened due to things like disease resistance, and military power, both of which are derived from geography.
 
Thanks, and yes, they missed an opportunity for sure, but for the reasons I've argued, it would unreasonable to think they would have domesticated them




Some of those have not been domesticated, and of the ones that have, I believe they were all domesticated after horses had been eliminated in North America.



Not saying it was from you, but arguments have been made by some that Europeans dominated the indians because of some inherent form of cultural superiority (in the form of character, or religion/morals, etc). That really happened due to things like disease resistance, and military power, both of which are derived from geography.

Guns, germs and steel, both the book and the words themselves, pretty much sums it up.
 
Just another sign that the "open borders" quasi policy is on a path to overburden our systems...What say you?

Link

Progressives want it that way - it's their goal.... They believe white people are evil...
 
Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
I am not offended. I like Mexican food and speak Spanish. Two of our top five places to eat are Supermex and Taco Mesa.

Assimilation does not happen in Little Saigon, China Town, Little Italy or any other heavily populated and isolated area of immigrants.

Originally Posted by Summerwind
You just said that about Santa Ana and Latinos, and are wrong, so why in any rational world would I believe this? Seriously.

Right here. You are quoting my post and then you are saying why should you believe "this". What other conclusion is there? None. I am not to conclude that you are referencing some other post or point. If you can't be clear then you can't expect others to understand you. Ever heard of "projecting"? A classic psychological FAIL that many people fail to realize that they are guilty of.
 
Guns, germs and steel, both the book and the words themselves, pretty much sums it up.

I have argued against him that that theory is incomplete and does not reflect why the New World was so far behind.
 
Even though it is racist, it is fair to say most countries where "brown people" are a majority are definitely screwed up. Even Asian countries are a mess. Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are probably the only exceptions.

Africa? Seriously? People there die by age 50. Per Capita GDP of almost every country is below $5000. Disease, pestilence, poverty, famine are all synonymous with Africa.

India? Another place where people die young. Male life expectancy is 63. 600 million people there are living without sewers or running water. There caste system is worse than Eurpoe during the Middle Ages. Crowded, horrible women's rights...you name it.

Muslim countries? Hell, even the good ones like Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan are turning to ****. Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Arab Emirates are perhaps not yet sewers, but I would not live in them. No thank you.

South and Central America? Short of Costa Rica, where there can someone call it nice? Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and Paraguay maybe, but only if you are rich. Peru? Ok, maybe. But then all you need do is look at Mexico, Brazil, and Venezuela to know something is very wrong down there too.

Racist?

There are "brown people" everywhere -- I'm one of them...... Of course to progressives everything is about race or skin tint.
 
Thanks, and yes, they missed an opportunity for sure, but for the reasons I've argued, it would unreasonable to think they would have domesticated them




Some of those have not been domesticated, and of the ones that have, I believe they were all domesticated after horses had been eliminated in North America.



Not saying it was from you, but arguments have been made by some that Europeans dominated the indians because of some inherent form of cultural superiority (in the form of character, or religion/morals, etc). That really happened due to things like disease resistance, and military power, both of which are derived from geography.

I agree with all of that...
 
Racist?

There are "brown people" everywhere -- I'm one of them...... Of course to progressives everything is about race or skin tint.

You may want to go back and see who started the thread.....just saying.
 
You may want to go back and see who started the thread.....just saying.

Don't care and it doesn't even matter...

I mean we're only 13 pages into the thread (I'm sorry 37)....
 
Don't care and it doesn't even matter...

I mean we're only 13 pages into the thread....

If you think it "only matters to progressives," it may interest you that a fellow con started the thread.
 
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