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James Brady Death ruled a Homicide.

Buck Ewer said:
On that point you disagree with Ronald Reagan and millions of Americans who supported the bill for that very reason.
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on that ppoint, Reagan and millions of Americans who supported the law ...were wrong... and TD is correct.
 
Thrilla said:
do you have medical facts to dispute the finding of the medical examiner?.. if so.. bring 'em on.
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Was the ME report released? Only talking points from the ME's office in Northern VA were released. Basically a blow hard statement of "[Brady's] remains were transported to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for the Northern District of Virginia. An autopsy was conducted and revealed the cause of death to be a gunshot wound and consequences thereof, and the manner of death was ruled a homicide."

This type of medical ruling justifies these kinds of asinine statements... Blaming my elementary teachers if I ever get skin cancer and die. Blaming adult beverage makers if I ever died from some alcohol related disease, or Blaming God for creating my life.

So Teachers are murders, Budweiser is a murder, and so is God.
 
austrianecon said:
Was the ME report released? Only talking points from the ME's office in Northern VA were released. Basically a blow hard statement of "[Brady's] remains were transported to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for the Northern District of Virginia. An autopsy was conducted and revealed the cause of death to be a gunshot wound and consequences thereof, and the manner of death was ruled a homicide."

This type of medical ruling justifies these kinds of asinine statements... Blaming my elementary teachers if I ever get skin cancer and die. Blaming adult beverage makers if I ever died from some alcohol related disease, or Blaming God for creating my life.

So Teachers are murders, Budweiser is a murder, and so is God.
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well, i'm ok with you not buying into the medical examiners expertise... I got no money on this particular game. <shrugs>


why would the ME lie, though?
 
Thrilla said:
well, i'm ok with you not buying into the medical examiners expertise... I got no money on this particular game. <shrugs>


why would the ME lie, though?
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I don't either.. I think it's bull.

ME's don't lie per se.. but they do tend to stretch the rulings in cases like this for family purposes (insurance related issues).
 
Crosscheck said:
Totally agree. Brady just didn't fall over and die last week. From 1981 he has never had normal operation of his limbs and mostly confined to his wheelchair. Brady's career was over and his life cruelly ruined.

Meanwhile, Brady has enjoyed freedom most murderers don't. From the above article:

Hinckley almost killed a living president and destroyed this man's life. Of course he was found conveniently insane so never did hard time.

Sucks to commit crimes , doesn't it.
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I think the insanity defense is a crock of **** defense invented by some piece of **** ambulance chaser who hopefully is rotting in hell for setting such a precedent.
 
jamesrage said:
I think the insanity defense is a crock of **** defense invented by some piece of **** ambulance chaser who hopefully is rotting in hell for setting such a precedent.
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So you don't know what you're talking about.

The insanity defense has been around since ancient times.
 
Paleocon said:
So you don't know what you're talking about.

The insanity defense has been around since ancient times.
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Gee, with all the tactics that defense lawyers have came up with it is somewhat amazing that none have ever thought about using the insanity rule to avoid time in prison.

He was insane enough to pull out a gun and start shooting but sane enough to not march down the street spinning the pistol in his hand before the assassination attempt.

If he is insane enough to try and kill innocent people then lock him up for life. He has proven to inflict great harm on people and currently he spends half of the time out of the hospital.
Am sorry if some feel that would be a great inconvenience for him to be locked up in a hospital for the rest of his life. Sorry I just don't have any sympathy left in the cupboard for attempted killers.
 
Crosscheck said:
Gee, with all the tactics that defense lawyers have came up with it is somewhat amazing that none have ever thought about using the insanity rule to avoid time in prison.

He was insane enough to pull out a gun and start shooting but sane enough to not march down the street spinning the pistol in his hand before the assassination attempt.

If he is insane enough to try and kill innocent people then lock him up for life. He has proven to inflict great harm on people and currently he spends half of the time out of the hospital.
Am sorry if some feel that would be a great inconvenience for him to be locked up in a hospital for the rest of his life. Sorry I just don't have any sympathy left in the cupboard for attempted killers.
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What? In case you're under the impression that the insanity defense is commonly used, its not. Its used in 1% of cases, and succeeds in only a quarter of those.

The defense was insanity, not automatism (that he literally didnt know he was shooting). That he knew he would be impeded doesnt affect the fact that he was a delusional schizophrenic.

Why? If professional judgment holds that he is no longer dangerous, then why should they not work toward rehabilitation?
 
austrianecon said:
Was the ME report released? Only talking points from the ME's office in Northern VA were released. Basically a blow hard statement of "[Brady's] remains were transported to the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for the Northern District of Virginia. An autopsy was conducted and revealed the cause of death to be a gunshot wound and consequences thereof, and the manner of death was ruled a homicide."

This type of medical ruling justifies these kinds of asinine statements... Blaming my elementary teachers if I ever get skin cancer and die. Blaming adult beverage makers if I ever died from some alcohol related disease, or Blaming God for creating my life.

So Teachers are murders, Budweiser is a murder, and so is God.
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Are you really referring to incidental exposure to something that may or may not cause cancer to a bullet?
 
ObamacareFail said:
If the cause of death is related to the shooting....why not?
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Yeah, I'm not really sure why people have a problem with this. If the cause of death can be linked to complications caused by the gunshot, why wouldn't the gunshot be the cause?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
But what does it achieve?
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Truth and justice. However for John Hinckley, it will barely matter. He was given an insanity verdict over the shooting to begin with. If it's brought to trial again, his lawyer will likely have him plead the insanity defense again. It will be a formality.
 
lizzie said:
Sounds like a bunch of bull**** to me. I hope it will, at some point, be fought and overturned. No matter what I think of someone who does this, it does not excuse injustice on part of the legal system, which (imo) is exactly what this is.
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Overturn a coroner's ruling on the cause of death? Yeah...right! His death was either connected to the shooting or it was not. If it was....it's homicide.
 
Goshin said:
After two decades, seems a bit unreasonable.
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I disagree. If the cause of death is related to the shooting, they are simply classifying it as what it is....."homicide".
 
Thrilla said:
at this point, the legal system is not involved.... it's medical detemination, nothign more.

I highly doubt Hinkley will be charged...and if they do decide ot charge him, the prosecution will have one helluva hill ot climb ( double jeopardy comes into play, as does his officially being designated "insane")
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Double jeopardy would probably be invoked and I doubt that anything more can be done to Hinkley......however classifying Brady's death as a homicide is still the right thing to do.
 
Buck Ewer said:
The coroner found that Brady died from injuries received when Hinckley shot him. He never "healed" correctly.
It took thirty three years for those injuries to finally kill him.
It doesn't matter if it took thirty three minutes or thirty three years for Brady to die from his gunshot wounds ... there is no statute of limitations on murder... ever.
Hinckley just graduated from "attempted assassin" to murderer.
I wonder if Jodie Foster is impressed.
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Very well stated.
 
Thrilla said:
I doubt he will even be charged, let alone convicted.
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Agreed. I doubt they are going to waste the taxpayers money on a case that will not bring further punishment. They are simply updating the classification from attempted murder to homicide, for the sake of justice and history. I am sure that Brady's survivors agree.
 
austrianecon said:
Except he was 73 years old.
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What does that have to do with anything? If his death was premature because of the health consequences of his injury...he not only lost decades of quality of life, he lost years of quantity of life as well.
 
TurtleDude said:
she was not. She was a freshman at Yale when this happened. two of her good friends (who did their best to protect her from the unwanted spotlight after this incident) at Yale were well known (now) actors Bronson Pinchot and David Hyde Pierce. I knew Bronson pretty well since we were in the same hall freshman year and in the same residential college the next three. as a result, I met JF a bunch of times and sat with her at various meals. She was understandably upset with this incident and the fact that she, a freshman who made a real effort not to be any different than other 18 year old students, had secret service agents following her around didn't make her life any easier. I have never been all that interested in celebrities but I sure developed a lot of respect for her putting up with what she did and how she reacted. same with her two friends (who were not celebrities at the time)

I never had any use for Sarah Brady and what she did following her husband's shooting but what happened to James Brady was a real tragedy. its sad the SS guys didn't cut Hinkley in half when he started shooting
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I have that same respect for Jodie Foster. I recall when incredibly stupid reporters asked about her relationship with John Hinkley and she had to immediately cut them off with: I have no relationship with Mr. Hinkley. As for the secret service not cutting Hinkley in half, that would have only happened if they had seen it coming in time to prevent the shooting. After the John F. Kennedy assassination, if the assassin or attempted assassin survives the initial altercation, the secret service protects the culprit at almost the same level as they protect the president as the goal is to get to the bottom of what happened.....whether it was a lone assassin or a conspiracy. They do not want a repeat of what happened with Harvey Oswald.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Truth and justice. However for John Hinckley, it will barely matter. He was given an insanity verdict over the shooting to begin with. If it's brought to trial again, his lawyer will likely have him plead the insanity defense again. It will be a formality.
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Yup.

I am no legal eagle, but could he be tried again? He already went to trial for the same act, can he be tried again for the same act - just calling it something different?
 
Peter King said:
I totally agree with you. This is lunacy.

Especially because the man who was accused of the shooting was already found not guilty by reason of insanity. He has been prosecuted and found not guilty because he was insane, making this a homicide will not change the lunacy he was suffering from at that time.
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And he is not likely to be charged again. However it's not lunacy to reclassify an attempted murder as a homicide if the shooting was the cause of death. At least it give's Brady's family some closure. I really do not give a damn about John Hinckley.
 
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