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US warns Russia against intervention in Ukraine

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US warns Russia against intervention in Ukraine


UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The United States warned Russia on Friday that any further intervention in Ukraine, including under the pretense of delivering humanitarian aid, would be viewed as "an invasion of Ukraine."

Power said Russia has not only increased aid to the separatists but has amassed "more and more" troops and hardware near the border, began extensive military exercises this week and launched shells across the border into Ukraine.

"Therefore, any further unilateral intervention by Russia into Ukrainian territory, including one under the guise of providing humanitarian aid, would be completely unacceptable and deeply alarming, and it would be viewed as an invasion of Ukraine," Power warned.
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I wouldn't draw a false 'red-line' with Russia, because they'll take a lot of latitude with it in the future.
 
grip said:
I wouldn't draw a false 'red-line' with Russia, because they'll take a lot of latitude with it in the future.
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Haven't we warned them a half a dozen times already?
 
azgreg said:
Haven't we warned them a half a dozen times already?
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:lol: At least. But we've never done it with as much a threatening tone. Once we start warning there will be repercussions and don't follow up, that becomes a problem. Putin has little respect for our leadership as it is.
 
 
joG said:
I was afraid he might do that. He should help the Europeans, not parrot them.
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Putin is the kind of leader that, without warning, I would just keep pulling the carpet out on him with economic power. Reagan broke the former USSR with an arms race in space, so they're soft in that area.
 
Putin's govt is to the point of openly and directly disrespecting Obama. They dont care about any US "Warnings". They know to disrespect democrat presidents.
 
Yes it does appear as if Russia is attempting to reopen the cold war. Just as they're using the Ukrainian seperatists as proxy fighters we too will probably in turn start supplying arms to the Ukrainian government.

.... And the cyclical nature of history continues....
 
grip said:
Putin is the kind of leader that, without warning, I would just keep pulling the carpet out on him with economic power. Reagan broke the former USSR with an arms race in space, so they're soft in that area.
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The thing is, that we no longer command the same proportion of gross world product.
 
But Ukraine is already invaded from Russia in Ukrainian Crimea. I suppose Power means that such activity in Ukrainian eastern border would mean an invasion also.
 
joG said:
The thing is, that we no longer command the same proportion of gross world product.
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I know, and Russia isn't saddled with providing for all the former, weaker blocks. We still could have a huge impact with our European partners on their economy, except it cuts both ways, and it might make them desperate enough to do something really dangerous.

code1211 said:
The future is now.
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It kind of is but before Obama is out of office, Putin might really try and take control of the surrounding countries gas lines.
 
grip said:
It kind of is but before Obama is out of office, Putin might really try and take control of the surrounding countries gas lines.
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Yep. There is that sinking feeling that Putin won't get a better chance.
 
And what precisely could we (The US) have done in this situation. And by "precisely" I mean please be specific not spew out some ridiculous talking point about leadership or strength.
Send Troops? (risk starting a direct war with Russia)
Send arms to Ukraine? (Start the cold war up all over again)
Sanctions? (already did that and are expected severely hadicap Russia's economy but alas sanction take a long time so we will have to wait and see)
Deploy the eouropean missle defense system? (No effect on the current situation in Ukrain and only risks escalation of the situation, essentially symbolic)

So what SPECIFICALLY could we have done differently?

(I'm going to go ahead and predict posts re: Obama's weakness, lack of leadership, or a plethora of other vague comments that don't actually mean anything as opposed to anything actually specific)
 
grip said:
I know, and Russia isn't saddled with providing for all the former, weaker blocks. We still could have a huge impact with our European partners on their economy, except it cuts both ways, and it might make them desperate enough to do something really dangerous.



It kind of is but before Obama is out of office, Putin might really try and take control of the surrounding countries gas lines.
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If Putin is a former KBG operative bent on re-establishing the Soviet Empire, that would be prudent course of action.

It's unlikely that we will ever have another president with no courage, no national pride and no sense of reality as regards the nature of evil in the world.
 
code1211 said:
If Putin is a former KBG operative bent on re-establishing the Soviet Empire, that would be prudent course of action.

It's unlikely that we will ever have another president with no courage, no national pride and no sense of reality as regards the nature of evil in the world.
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Dealing with Russia has always been a dicey situation for any President, because they're simply too powerful to fight directly with. The whole cold war was essentially a struggle with each other thru 3rd world countries, finances and resources.
 
grip said:
Dealing with Russia has always been a dicey situation for any President, because they're simply too powerful to fight directly with. The whole cold war was essentially a struggle with each other thru 3rd world countries, finances and resources.
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Combine a dicey situation with a clueless president and this the situation that results.

This did not start up yesterday. It's been building for years.

It's possible that no president could have possible avoided this, but the obvious shortfall of Obama in every foreign policy theatre is just too consistent to have expected anything but another shortfall in this one.

Perhaps the master plan is to allow Iran to develop the A-Bomb, watch idly while the Sunni ISIS overruns Iraq and then overcomes the Shia Iranians, takes their bomb and blows it up in Washington after a Republican has been elected so Obama can blame the Republicans.

The Republicans are the only enemy that Obama actually recognizes and tries to diminish.

Maybe if Obama is convinced that Putin is a Republican...
 
code1211 said:
Combine a dicey situation with a clueless president and this the situation that results.

This did not start up yesterday. It's been building for years.

It's possible that no president could have possible avoided this, but the obvious shortfall of Obama in every foreign policy theatre is just too consistent to have expected anything but another shortfall in this one.

Perhaps the master plan is to allow Iran to develop the A-Bomb, watch idly while the Sunni ISIS overruns Iraq and then overcomes the Shia Iranians, takes their bomb and blows it up in Washington after a Republican has been elected so Obama can blame the Republicans.

The Republicans are the only enemy that Obama actually recognizes and tries to diminish.

Maybe if Obama is convinced that Putin is a Republican...
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I think Obama is somewhat realistically sympathetic to the plight of the less fortunate. Our social structure towards the middle class down is becoming decimated by the leveraged and well positioned, to the point of criminality. Though, I do not believe his naivete on foreign policy is working. We cannot be the saviors of all the world's unfortunate at once. But again allowing a whole group to be subjected to genocide (Yezidi), because he doesn't know when to get involved is another strategic mistake. It emboldens criminal behavior from organized thugs in the future, much like the Drug Cartels.
 
US Conservative said:
Putin's govt is to the point of openly and directly disrespecting Obama. They dont care about any US "Warnings". They know to disrespect democrat presidents.
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Right. Because this is high school and that's how major world powers operate.
 
US Conservative said:
This is the real world, not an episode of the West Wing.
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Yes, and in the real world global powers don't act like a bad high school movie. You guys talk about this as if Vladmir Freaking Putin makes any decisions based on whether or not an American president looks tough.
 
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Deuce said:
Yes, and in the real world global powers don't act like a bad high school movie. You guys talk about this as if Vladmir Freaking Putin makes any decisions based on whether or not an American president looks tough.
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In the real world nobody is impressed by a community organizer. This is the KGB vs ACORN. How do you think its going to turn out?
 
US Conservative said:
In the real world nobody is impressed by a community organizer. This is the KGB vs ACORN. How do you think its going to turn out?
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The part you really, really don't understand:

No, it isn't.
 
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