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Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go
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Refrences to the constitution being a living document are refering directly to the amendment process. here
if it was not "living" it could not contain amenments.
the quote you are using comes from the 1st amendment which by definition could not be present if the document wasn't "living"
in essence you are denying the very basis of your entire argument. Ultimately it doesn't really matter what you or I think anway as reality is reality and the process works precisely in the amnner which I have described. Whether you, I or anyone else for that matter likes it or not.
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That it is a Federally recognized religion and that due to the 1st ammendment to the constitution goverment may not make preferencial judgements of one religion over another.
That is the Bill of Rights not the Ten Commandments. That is historical fact easily proven. http://www.supremecourt.gov/about/symbolsoflaw.pdf
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You did look at the figures around him right? Notice anyone missing? There isnt a Jesus on that wall. Nor are the ten commandments written out they are represented as slabs with roman numerals on them.
Zeus Father of Gods and Men; God of Heavens and Fertility is in the Great Hall of the Supreme Court Building. The tortuous and the hare are on the building as well as Confucius.
But really the Supreme Court Building has zero to do with the founders; it was finished in 1935.
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The reason lies within the First Commandment.
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You need to read the amendment, that's not what it says. It also protects the practices of religion. The whole business is bull****. Displaying the 10 commandments has nothing to do with any law.
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Sure.... personally I agree.... but the the Satanists need to be allowed to present their speech as well if others are allowed or none at all. Open Pandora's box be preparared to reap the whirlwind.
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I would also just like to say that your, my or anyone else's opinion doesn't matter as the interpretataion of the constitution is laid upon the justices of the USSC. Doesn't really matter if you or I disagree on this matter as it is the reality of the situation.
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I haven't heard them say they want to put up a monument on that site, have you?
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Actually, yes. The Satanic Temple has applied to present a display in Kansas, but the state (after allowing and erecticting a display of the ten commandmenst) declared a moratorium after the fact.
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you better look again, that is Moses holding the 10 commandments,...Moses is the law giver..... he holds 2 tablets.
Moses is also displayed at the court, with him sitting and both the tablets on each side.
we were not discussing the supreme court and the founders, but that some laws and ldeas of the founders, reflect Christianity.
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One official Supreme Court document, he found, cited a letter from sculptor Adolph A. Weinman that said the “pylon” carved with Roman numerals I to X “symbolizes the first ten amendments to the Constitution.” But the letter was anomalous; it didn’t have a number of certifying marks that were typical of others.
So he continued looking and after calling in some assistance in his hunt for evidence, he found a 1975 official U.S. Supreme Court Handbook, prepared under the direction of Mark Cannon, administrative assistant to the chief justice. It said, “Directly above the Bench are two central figures, depicting Majesty of the Law and Power of Government. Between them is a tableau of the Ten Commandments…”
Read more at Ten Commandments stunner: Feds lying at Supreme Court
http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/38823/
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Moses | Architect of the Capitol | United States Capitol
on the chamber of the house of representatives
on the chamber of the house of representatives
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Displaying the 10 commandments as 'rules' in a government agency would step over the line into establishment of religion....BUT....I know of absolutely no government entity at any level who does that. But to display them as a historical reference to the ancient law as many religious symbols are used on federal buildings or as a work of art? How can that possibly be interpreted as establishment of religion by anybody with any intellectual honesty whatsoever? Given how prominent religious history and practice is to so many people, to deny the ability to recognize that as part of our history and culture is a clear violation of the intent of the First Amendment both in the area of religion and free speech.
The only reason we have these ridiculous lawsuits is that the ACLU and other opportunistic groups or lawyers find them financially lucrative to file. There is a little known provision in the Civil Rights Act that allows lawyers who file and prevail in Civil Rights actions to recoup their expenses, including reasonable compensation, for their trouble. The federal government has provided such compensation in the past and of course the 'expenses' and 'reasonable compensation' are usually substantial.
There isnt any religious representation. And you are the one that brought up the founders. ANd the photo that I talked about was the bill of rights. ANd I acknowledged Moses and the tablets representing the ten commandments. But the commandments themselves show up nowhere in or on the entire building.
And most glaringly I provided you with a link to the official supreme court site that explains that the bill of rights and all of the figures in the sculptures. Moses is from the old testament not the new testament, having Moses there doesnt at all represent Christianity at all. What isnt there is anything to do with the Christian faith. Zero reflection of anything Christian shows your willingness to lie and try and rewrite history.
Moses was not Christian and can never represent a Christian influence
Justinian I | Architect of the Capitol | United States Capitol
Both relief carvings represent law givers. About Relief Portrait Plaques of Lawgivers | Architect of the Capitol | United States Capitol
Statue of John Marshall Statue of John Marshall
So whats your point? Theres a statue of John Marshal on the grounds does that mean that along with the Torah, Zeus, Confucius, John Marshall reflects where our laws came from?
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You're allowed to put the ten commandments up in your own home and church. If you are not at home or in a church, there is a copy of the ten commandments in the bible which you can have on your person at all times.
Bam. Problem solved.
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you seem to be off track, I am responding to your post #229 ..not 223
no its not the bill of rights,...as you can see its a tablet....the 10 amendments did not come from tablets.
now when it comes to addressing you post 223. the declaration of independence is u.s. law...it us code.
the declaration speaks of god, and his divine Providence
" And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
as to the declaration of being law, it is also used in u.s. laws, like the enabling acts of the u.s.
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Justinian I | Architect of the Capitol | United States Capitol
Both relief carvings represent law givers. About Relief Portrait Plaques of Lawgivers | Architect of the Capitol | United States Capitol
Statue of John Marshall Statue of John Marshall
So whats your point? Theres a statue of John Marshal on the grounds does that mean that along with the Torah, Zeus, Confucius, John Marshall reflects where our laws came from?
well its simple people of the bible, are in our government buildings / institutions..
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the ACLU will never challenge the images of Moses and the 10 commandments on the USSC, because they know its a no win situation
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No. The SCOTUS ruled on THAT case and it doesn't apply to the one we are discussing. But this one does....
McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The reason Van Orden v. Perry was ruled constitutional was because the TC monument was located in a park that included 17 other monuments that depicted or represented the history of Texas. The monument itself was not a stand alone religious symbol located on or in the City Hall or courthouse proper like the monument in the McCreary County case or this one.
Applying the Lemon Test.....
The Court's decision in this case established the "Lemon test", which details the requirements for legislation concerning religion. It is threefold:
1.The statute must not result in an "excessive government entanglement" with religious affairs. (also known as the Entanglement Prong)
2.The statute must not advance or inhibit religious practice (also known as the Effect Prong)
3.The statute must have a secular legislative purpose. (also known as the Purpose Prong)
If any of these prongs are violated, the government's action is deemed unconstitutional under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Lemon v. Kurtzman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yet none of them are actually Christian nor represented as for religious reasons. So claiming a Christian influence isnt going to be found with any figures on government buildings. Divine Providence isnt at all viewed as just being a Christian thing. "May divine providence bless us with enough courage and enough determination to perceive within ourselves this holy German space." - Adolf Hitler, Speech, March 24, 1933
So define the declaration of independence as a law? What did the declaration of independence do originally? What "Title" of US code law is the declaration of independence under? Oh wait it is in the "Front Matter" isn't it? The Front matter though are not law's oops you fail.
"Pages of a book that precede the first page of the text, and may include the half title, frontspiece (illustration usually facing the first page or title page), title page, dedication, table of contents, acknowledgements (or list of contributors), list of illustrations, and list of tables. Front matter is usually printed last to allow for final adjustments, and is often numbered in Roman numerals instead of Arabic numerals used for the main text."
What is front matter? definition and meaning
Definition of front matter in English:
front matter
Syllabification: front mat·ter
Entry from US English dictionary
NOUN
The pages preceding the main text of a book, including the title, table of contents, and preface.
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I did not make the claim Christianity was on the USSC, I stated Moses and the 10 commandments was....and he and they are.
Providence in general, or foresight, is a function of the virtue of prudence, and may be defined as the practical reason, adapting means to an end. As applied to God, Providence is God Himself considered in that act by which in His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized. That end is that all creatures should manifest the glory of God, and in particular that man should glorify Him, recognizing in nature the work of His hand, serving Him in obedience and love, and thereby attaining to the full development of his nature and to eternal happiness in God. The universe is a system of real beings created by God and directed by Him to this supreme end, the concurrence of God being necessary for all natural operations, whether of things animate or inanimate, and still more so for operations of the supernatural order. God preserves the universe in being; He acts in and with every creature in each and all its activities. In spite of sin, which is due to the wilful perversion of human liberty, acting with the concurrence, but contrary to the purpose and intention of God and in spite of evil which is the consequence of sin, He directs all, even evil and sin itself, to the final end for which the universe was created. All these operations on God's part, with the exception of creation, are attributed in Catholic theology to Divine Providence. Hitlers speech is not law, the declaration is, with its founding principles.
Though the term Providence is applied to God only three times in Scripture (Ecclesiastes 5:5; Wisdom 14:3; Judith 9:5), and once to Wisdom (Wisdom 6:17), the general doctrine of Providence is consistently taught throughout both the Old and New Testaments
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm
book 1 of u s code, has a very very large preface I believe about 55 pages, but page 1 of the book is the declaration.
read the enabling acts law of the u.s. of 1906 ...section 3, as well as others, it states that a state constitution must not be repugnant to the constitution or the declaration of independence.
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