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Judge rules Ten Commandments monument must go

Summerwind said:
It is establishing a preference as to what religion is allowed to be publicly displayed. Which to my reading of it is against the Constitution.
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Where does The Constitution come close to saying that?
 
Summerwind said:
Regardless of what you think, I should have to endure you inflicting your religion on property that is public or governmental.
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Actually I don't follow the Ten Commandments.

Its not "my religion " nor does it apply to " my religion " or my faith.

I'm not a pre-Christ Israelite sitting at the bottom of Mount Sinai.

Having to endure anything is having to listen to the people that whine about the Posting of the Ten Commandments on Public buildings.
 
apdst said:
The government can't inhibit the free practice of religion.
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Nope, but they can keep displays of it off public and government property, so as to not present a preference to one religion or another.

Unless you're okay with the equally un-related to any American laws display of the Sharia Laws, Satanic Laws, and so on. Which I'm going to guess you'd not be okay with. Hence a preferential treatment of one religion which is not allowed by the Constitution.

Practice all you want, at home and in your church. Why do you feel the need to push it others in public spaces? Insecure about it I guess.
 
Summerwind said:
Regardless of what you think, I should have to endure you inflicting your religion on property that is public or governmental.
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You don't get to force your beliefs on us, neither.
 
Summerwind said:
Nope, but they can keep displays of it off public and government property, so as to not present a preference to one religion or another.

Unless you're okay with the equally un-related to any American laws display of the Sharia Laws, Satanic Laws, and so on. Which I'm going to guess you'd not be okay with. Hence a preferential treatment of one religion which is not allowed by the Constitution.

Practice all you want, at home and in your church. Why do you feel the need to push it others in public spaces? Insecure about it I guess.
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There is little opposition except for the court system...
 
Summerwind said:
Nope, but they can keep displays of it off public and government property, so as to not present a preference to one religion or another.

Unless you're okay with the equally un-related to any American laws display of the Sharia Laws, Satanic Laws, and so on. Which I'm going to guess you'd not be okay with. Hence a preferential treatment of one religion which is not allowed by the Constitution.

Practice all you want, at home and in your church. Why do you feel the need to push it others in public spaces? Insecure about it I guess.
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Technically, they can't. Why aren't the atheists going after the satan monument in Oklahoma City?
 
apdst said:
Technically, they can't. Why aren't the atheists going after the satan monument in Oklahoma City?
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Actually the more pertinent question is why are xians denying it's display? Neither have much to do with our actual laws, so why fight one and not the other?
 
Summerwind said:
It is establishing a preference as to what religion is allowed to be publicly displayed. Which to my reading of it is against the Constitution.
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Here we go......

The Constitution is a document of words. Words written in English

The definition of those words has NEVER changed.

People may twist and try to redefine those words because they disagree with them but it doesn't change the actual document.

Your desperate attempt to equate " preference " to a LAW is typical and its a bit dishonest.

" Your reading " of the Constitution has no bearing on the original definition which is clear and unequivocal.

Its not relevant in the least.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Sorry you're completely wrong there...
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No I am not, I did this dance once before.

Not having idols
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Can't apply it to any kind of modern legal system.

Not to mention that the modern Christian church and evangelicals who want the Ten Commandments in Court Houses have basically turned Jesus on the Cross into an idol.

Whoops.

honoring your father and mother
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Problem is, what exactly is this suppose to entail, and how does one apply it to a modern legal system.

There's some pretty ****ty parents out there that deserve no "honouring"

So if it's a blanket statement are kids supposed to honour everything their parents do?

Whoops.

not killing
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As I said, that was covered long before the bible was written.

Didn't need the Ten Commandments to know murder was wrong.

not commiting adultery
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A novel idea but can't really be applied to a civilized modern legal system unless you support hanging adulterers not really much you can do there besides monetary compensation based on divorce stemming from infidelity.

Strike Four.

not stealing
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Again covered before Ten Commandments.

not lying, and not coveting what others have make good sense societally.
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Sure... but we all do it anyway, it'd be great if we didn't but we do and it cannot be applied to a modern legal system, it makes no sense for any kind of enforcement... therefore it's bull crap
 
Summerwind said:
I don't have beliefs to force on anyone.
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Of course you do. You believe their's no god. You want the government to help you force your belief on the rest if us.
 
apdst said:
Of course you do. You believe their's no god. You want the government to help you force your belief on the rest if us.
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If not having a stone idol of your 10 commandments somehow forces you to stop believing in god, you never did in the first place. Get a clue.
 
Summerwind said:
If not having a stone idol of your 10 commandments somehow forces you to stop believing in god, you never did in the first place. Get a clue.
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It appears to be the words with which you disagree, not just the method of their display...
 
apdst said:
Of course you do. You believe their's no god. You want the government to help you force your belief on the rest if us.
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This is ridiculous. I don't believe in the existance of unicorns or dragons. Does that somehow qualify as a religion too?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
It appears to be the words with which you disagree, not just the method of their display...
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It's both. The words indicate archaic thinking and it's display is offensive since it has nothing at all to do with laws or government.
Again, I don't know how it is that you are still not clear on this. Perhaps a course in English comprehension will serve you well.
 
Summerwind said:
If not having a stone idol of your 10 commandments somehow forces you to stop believing in god, you never did in the first place. Get a clue.
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Well, if a stone monument with words on it, displayed on public property somehow forces you to stop believing there's no god, you never did in the first place. Get a clue, yourself!
 
Fenton said:
It is NOT ESTABLISHING A LAW.

Jeez man.

If they posted a copy of the Commandments, and then passed a law stating you had to folow those Commandments or else, then THAT would be a violation of our Constitution.

The Constitution is written in English.

Why is it so difficult for some people to comprehend ?
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It was written simply enough that both myself and a judge agreed that it was unconstitutional.
 
Swit said:
This is ridiculous. I don't believe in the existance of unicorns or dragons. Does that somehow qualify as a religion too?
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Actually Atheism is a religion.

It requires faith in the unkown too.
 
Summerwind said:
It's both. The words indicate archaic thinking and it's display is offensive since it has nothing at all to do with laws or government.
Again, I don't know how it is that you are still not clear on this. Perhaps a course in English comprehension will serve you well.
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"Thou shalt not steal", is archaic thinking?
 
Summerwind said:
It's both. The words indicate archaic thinking and it's display is offensive since it has nothing at all to do with laws or government.
Again, I don't know how it is that you are still not clear on this. Perhaps a course in English comprehension will serve you well.
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I hate to let you in on this little secret, but all laws and the creation of governments are the result of history, be it archaic (see the Middle East) or not. Most of our laws are based on English Common Law...
 
Unrepresented said:
It was written simply enough that both myself and a judge agreed that it was unconstitutional.
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Lol !

The ruling of a left wing activist judge doesn't change the definition of the words in the Constitution either.

His ruling will be appealed, as it should be.

The standard isn't you or some clown activist who's wearing a black robe.

The standard is the document itself and its meaning is unequivocal.
 
apdst said:
Well, if a stone monument with words on it, displayed on public property somehow forces you to stop believing there's no god, you never did in the first place. Get a clue, yourself!
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Oh, nice try, but tooooooo funny! I'm not the one claiming a belief, I'm looking at it in cold, hard facts; it has no connection to our legal or our governmental system, it is archaic and stupid, and therefore has no place in the public or governmental arena.

I repeat, if not having a display threatens your faith, you don't have any faith.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I hate to let you in on this little secret, but all laws and the creation of governments are the result of history, be it archaic (see the Middle East) or not. Most of our laws are based on English Common Law...
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Which further supports my claim that the 10 commandments is strictly for religious preference purposes, and has nothing to do with our laws or our government. Thank you for finally admitting that.
 
Summerwind said:
Which further supports my claim that the 10 commandments is strictly for religious preference purposes, and has nothing to do with our laws or our government. Thank you for finally admitting that.
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Wow, that was a real stretch, and I'm not sure how you rationalize that thought process...
 
Swit said:
This is ridiculous. I don't believe in the existance of unicorns or dragons. Does that somehow qualify as a religion too?
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Is the belief in unicorns a religion?
 
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