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American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq[W:1007]

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Moot said:
More than half the democrats didn't vote for or support the war.
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How many of them pointed to Saddams possession of and use of WMDs? Before and after Bush became president? How many of those that did vote for the war are senior officials in the democrat party even today? How many are former presidents, secretaries of state, secretaries of defense, heads of the House and Senate?
 
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Grant said:
Americans should forget the hearts and minds propaganda.. They already have the hearts and minds of normal people but will never win the H and M of the fanatics.
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I agree they will never win the hearts and minds of fanatics but disagree about the 'normal' people. There are far too many that believe they can live in this sanitized world where the 'majority' of Muslims arent committing atrocities against others. I think the US government should have been streaming the day to day accounts of Muslims being killed by Muslims and making damn good and well sure they knew THIS is their immediate future if they dont step up against the scumbag minority. No pulling punches.
 
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VanceMack said:
I agree they will never win the hearts and minds of fanatics but disagree about the 'normal' people. There are far too many that believe they can live in this sanitized world where the 'majority' of Muslims arent committing atrocities against others. I think the US government should have been streaming the day to day accounts of Muslims being killed by Muslims and making damn good and well sure they knew THIS is their immediate future if they dont step up against the scumbag minority. No pulling punches.
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There was an interesting video shown here today where a woman responded to a question from a woman about 'moderate' Muslims with the reality that most Germans were also moderate, Italians, Russians, etc. but the fanatics won the day. You may have seen it.

Because of their silence, and constant claims to victimhood, I'm not that concerned about these 'moderate' Muslims anymore.
 
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Grant said:
There was an interesting video shown here today where a woman responded a question about 'moderate' Muslims with the reality that most Germans were also moderate, Italians, Russians, etc. but the fanatics won the day. You may have seen it.

Because of their silence, and constant claims to victimhood, I'm not that concerned about these 'moderate' Muslims anymore.
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Yep. Saw it...'liked' it. Thats what I mean. There needs to be more in your face reality and it has to stop being a democrat vs republican, liberal vs conservative thing. That stuff is just so ****ing annoying. It is an undeniable reality that the enemy...Muslim fundamentalist extremists scumbags...are murdering women, men and children. They are killing people for the 'crime' of being Christian. They are killing people for the 'crime' of being gay. They are murdering, raping, butchering, and beheading people in numerous countries. How the **** anyone can even CONSIDER logically responding to that reality when it is brought up with comments like "yeah....but Christians did all kinds of bad things back during the Crusades" or "its not like its ALL Muslims", or "its hardly a big deal cuz it doesnt happen THAT often in the great grand scheme of things"......that kind of stupidity just blows my mind.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, Ive seen that. It's really too bad that once the decision was made the country didn't united with their President, but instead undermined him at every turn.
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Even many of those Democrats that voted against military action were still making comments and statements supporting the administration position that Saddam was a direct and dire threat due to his possession and use of WMDs only to plead ignorance and stupidity after the war.
 
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Conservative said:
Amazing how you buy the rhetoric that Bush lied but not all the Democrats who said the same thing. It is also rather interesting to see how you ignore Syria and the fact that Obama lost the peace in Iraq and basically ignored Syria. Keep believing the leftwing lies in hopes that you can save face and justify your support and vote for Obama. Obama has a low JAR rating and yet you believe that is Bush's fault. Leadership isn't something you understand at all and everything going on in Iraq right now is Obama's responsibility.
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I notice that you skipped around (diversion?) your statement that“ISIS came out of Syria not Iraq “when I said that the key leaders of ISIS were in the Iraqi insurgency in the 2000s.Wonder why?

Don’t you want to hear about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi the successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq.?You keep spouting about BO’s low JAR as if that has anything to do about the post that YOU QUOTED.

OH GOD! I forgot whatta a friggin tool you are con. Low JAR rating!! YOure a gasbag and a half.:lamo
 
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Montecresto said:
There was never peace in Iraq, never. Stop your damn lying.

Timeline of terrorist attacks in Iraq.


Chronology
2003: 25 suicide bombings
2004: 140 suicide bombings
2005: 478 suicide bombings
2006: 297 suicide bombings
2007: 442 Suicide Bombings
2008: 257 Suicide Bombings
2009: 76 Suicide Bombings
2010: 44 Suicide Bombings

2008 818 1,029 1,607 1,260 792 696 606 613 557 547 518 575 9,618

A list by month of all the Iraqis killed during Bush's last year in Iraq! There never was peace.

Casualties of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


AND NOTE THE SIGNIFICANT DROP IN TERRORIST ATTACKS BETWEEN BUSH's LAST YEAR AND OBAMA'S FIRST!!
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Oh, good Lord, what exactly is this supposed to prove? Do you even give a damn about the 40,000 plus CHRISTIANS trapped in Northern Iraq? You think your chart tells the whole story? My, my liberalism really has exactly what they want in you
 
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Moot said:
Two pages ago you didn't even know that ISIS was from Iraq, so how would you know if it was better there then than now?
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ISIS came of Syria, you seem to have a problem understanding how many Iraqis escaped to Syria and return to take up the void Obama left in the country. I cannot believe anyone still supports what Obama is doing. You people are amazing.
 
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Donc said:
I notice that you skipped around (diversion?) your statement that“ISIS came out of Syria not Iraq “when I said that the key leaders of ISIS were in the Iraqi insurgency in the 2000s.Wonder why?

Don’t you want to hear about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi the successor to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al Qaeda in Iraq.?You keep spouting about BO’s low JAR as if that has anything to do about the post that YOU QUOTED.

OH GOD! I forgot whatta a friggin tool you are con. Low JAR rating!! YOure a gasbag and a half.:lamo
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you are really brilliant, you voted for and still support a total incompetent. Why don't you tell me exactly where ISIS came from, not who makes up ISIS, and please tell me where ISIS was when GW Bush was in the WH. Thanks in advance
 
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Conservative said:
ISIS came of Syria, you seem to have a problem understanding how many Iraqis escaped to Syria and return to take up the void Obama left in the country. I cannot believe anyone still supports what Obama is doing. You people are amazing.
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Agreed, but at least they are being overt.
 
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Donc said:
"?? Yet you were here 24/7 supporting the incompetent before him,who started ISISS.Go figure.:roll:
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That's an outright lie. ISIS only started in Hussein Obama's second term. Can't blame Bush for that one.
 
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Donc said:
The key leaders of ISIS were in the Iraqi insurgency in the 2000s. SOooo...if george the second hadn't lied us into invading Iraq there would be no ISSIS.I thought everyone knew that horowitz was raised a commie.It just shows how uninformed you are.Itssa shame.:(
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Which lie would that be?
 
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Conservative said:
you are really brilliant, you voted for and still support a total incompetent. Why don't you tell me exactly where ISIS came from, not who makes up ISIS, and please tell me where ISIS was when GW Bush was in the WH. Thanks in advance
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These leftwingers will soon be in conflict with themselves again. Hillary Klinton is prepping for another run for the white house and is at this time going out of her way to criticize and distance herself from Barack Hussein Obama.
 
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Moot said:
Two pages ago you didn't even know that ISIS was from Iraq, so how would you know if it was better there then than now?
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I suggest you learn the history of ISIS, when they were created, who they are, and exactly where did they foster most of their growth and opportunities that are now being unleashed in Iraq

ISIS’s Savage Strategy in Iraq - The New Yorker

Doubt that it will make a difference because cult followers don't like to admit that they are wrong. It was Barack Obama and his actions or should I say lack of action in Syria that allowed ISIS to develop in Syria and then take over the vacuum Obama created in Iraq. Interesting truth that destroys the liberal narrative.
 
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Grant said:
Yes, Ive seen that. It's really too bad that once the decision was made the country didn't united with their President, but instead undermined him at every turn.
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lol It's difficult to rally around a war based on lies.


VanceMack said:
Even many of those Democrats that voted against military action were still making comments and statements supporting the administration position that Saddam was a direct and dire threat due to his possession and use of WMDs only to plead ignorance and stupidity after the war.
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I dunno about that.
 
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Moot said:
lol It's difficult to rally around a war based on lies.




I dunno about that.
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Yes...you do. You just dont want to admit to it.
 
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Conservative said:
I suggest you learn the history of ISIS, when they were created, who they are, and exactly where did they foster most of their growth and opportunities that are now being unleashed in Iraq

ISIS’s Savage Strategy in Iraq - The New Yorker

Doubt that it will make a difference because cult followers don't like to admit that they are wrong. It was Barack Obama and his actions or should I say lack of action in Syria that allowed ISIS to develop in Syria and then take over the vacuum Obama created in Iraq. Interesting truth that destroys the liberal narrative.
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Are you a cult follower because I haven't seen you admit you were wrong about the origins of ISIS yet?

Do you think Obama is more omnipotent than God? If so, no wonder you are so disappointed.
 
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Moot said:
Are you a cult follower because I haven't seen you admit you were wrong about the origins of ISIS yet?

Do you think Obama is more omnipotent than God? If so, no wonder you are so disappointed.
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I posted the story about ISIS. I suggest you read the article and then get some help reading where they came from, not who is in the organization. They fostered and grew in Syria which you have yet to admit. When exactly was ISIS created?
 
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VanceMack said:
The better answer (to Bush's discredit) would have been to do a better job of creating a post war Iraq. Ousting Saddam was the right thing to do. Less than 2 years later, Iraq had a functioning government and Constitution. We could have and should have done a better job of preparing them for a post war government. We should have maintained a stronger presence to better secure the security of our personnel there. We should have done a better job with propaganda...winning the hearts and minds. We should have done a better job of being very clear about what a post war Iraq could be with both the option of a Free Iraq and an Iraq under fundamentalist rule.

We did a ****ty job post war ops.
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It's a long long haul to convince really religious people to follow a government before their religious indoctrinators as they have done for millennia. Then when a religious leader sees an opening for a power-grab... they will take it like any other power-hungry leader.
 
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Conservative said:
Oh, good Lord, what exactly is this supposed to prove? Do you even give a damn about the 40,000 plus CHRISTIANS trapped in Northern Iraq? You think your chart tells the whole story? My, my liberalism really has exactly what they want in you
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It proves that there was never peace in Iraq, no year that Bush was in there, not even the last year, he won no peace, and you are promoting a lie, so why don't you stop. There's something else you need to understand, Rumsfeld said when asked how long the war would be, "six days, six weeks, I doubt six months". Five years latter, Americans wanted out, that was part of Obama's reason for being elected. We don't want war in Syria, Ukraine or anywhere else.
 
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Conservative said:
Wow, nice attempt at re-writing history, is there anyone here that believes ISIS would be a threat if we had a contingency force in Iraq after the withdrawal?
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You believe a small force in Baghdad would have stopped ISIS from entering the country?

You can ignore history for example the Gulf war that never really ended. You can ignore the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998. You can ignore the actual quotes of Democrats prior to Bush taking office and afterwards. You can ignore that the Senate under Democrat control gave approval for the invasion. You can ignore the world community that said Saddam Hussein was a threat? You can deny that Saddam Hussein used WMD on his own people. You can deny that he violated numerous UN resolutions. You can deny UN inspector Richard Butler's own words, "Don't believe those who say they aren't there just because we haven't found them. Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction," Iraq certainly did have weapons of mass destruction. “Trust me. I held some in my own hands."
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I mentioned any of that, denied any of it? Where?

I said that the invasion went well but the organization of the initial occupation, or more apropos, lack of it , created a condition of anarchy that was extremely difficult to come back from and that Bush, having failed at it, left it to Obama.
Yes, you can remain in a state of denial but all that does is ignore history and what actually happened.
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Anothet thing you can do is respond to what you think a poster would have posted because they dared to not blame everything on Obama, rather than what they did post.
 
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