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American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq[W:1007]

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iguanaman said:
Come on now. You know you will go to bed with anyone who dislikes Obama as much as you. Putin is your hero but you still stay here. Why is the question. Russia offers everything you desire and you'll never see a Republican in the Whitehouse again in your lifetime so what's keeping you here?
That opinion piece is pure fairytale by the way, just the way you guys like it.
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You are right, it is all about disliking Obama. Typical liberal response to try and justify your support and vote for Obama. Results in the liberal world never matter therefore it always has to be about personality and discrimination. No one can dislike Obama because of the results because results don't matter, do they?
 
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Conservative said:
Amazing how you buy the rhetoric that Bush lied but not all the Democrats who said the same thing. It is also rather interesting to see how you ignore Syria and the fact that Obama lost the peace in Iraq and basically ignored Syria. Keep believing the leftwing lies in hopes that you can save face and justify your support and vote for Obama. Obama has a low JAR rating and yet you believe that is Bush's fault. Leadership isn't something you understand at all and everything going on in Iraq right now is Obama's responsibility.
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Actually, you need to listen to your own side's rhetoric a little better. They said at the time that voters were against intervening in Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/07/u...ed-to-a-syria-strike.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

So which is it? Voters or Obama? Speaking of your boy George, wasn't he the author of the pullout?

President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement

That's even from his own administration, so unless they were infiltrated by evil liberal media types....

and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory"
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Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is it about conservatism that inspires such mindless loyalty....to paraphrase you.
 
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rocket88 said:
Actually, you need to listen to your own side's rhetoric a little better. They said at the time that voters were against intervening in Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/07/u...ed-to-a-syria-strike.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

So which is it? Voters or Obama? Speaking of your boy George, wasn't he the author of the pullout?

President Bush and Iraq Prime Minister Maliki Sign the Strategic Framework Agreement and Security Agreement

That's even from his own administration, so unless they were infiltrated by evil liberal media types....



Withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is it about conservatism that inspires such mindless loyalty....to paraphrase you.
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GW Bush indeed was the author of the Status of Forces Agreement when led to the withdrawal of U.S. Troops but that had nothing to do with keeping a contingency force in Iraq. that failure is all Obama's

As for the current problem it is totally Obama's responsibility and fault and has nothing to do with personality or personal dislike. He showed his incompetence and lack of leadership skills which ended up creating ISIS. Sorry but that is reality. Leaders don't pay attention to polls, they do what is right or what they think is right. Being decisive isn't something Obama understand except with his leftwing socialist agenda
 
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Conservative said:
GW Bush indeed was the author of the Status of Forces Agreement when led to the withdrawal of U.S. Troops but that had nothing to do with keeping a contingency force in Iraq. that failure is all Obama's

As for the current problem it is totally Obama's responsibility and fault and has nothing to do with personality or personal dislike. He showed his incompetence and lack of leadership skills which ended up creating ISIS. Sorry but that is reality. Leaders don't pay attention to polls, they do what is right or what they think is right. Being decisive isn't something Obama understand except with his leftwing socialist agenda
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So Bush signed the agreement that troops would be out by the end of 2011, and it's Obama's fault that he didn't break the agreement?
 
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rocket88 said:
So Bush signed the agreement that troops would be out by the end of 2011, and it's Obama's fault that he didn't break the agreement?
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It has nothing to do with breaking the agreement but all to do with negotiating in good faith, not Obama arrogance in keeping a contingency force in Iraq. Obama wanted out of Iraq to please his base and he couldn't care less the results of not having a contingency force in Iraq or even keeping the air bases in the Kurd Area.
 
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Conservative said:
It has nothing to do with breaking the agreement but all to do with negotiating in good faith, not Obama arrogance in keeping a contingency force in Iraq. Obama wanted out of Iraq to please his base and he couldn't care less the results of not having a contingency force in Iraq or even keeping the air bases in the Kurd Area.
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You mean that the people who voted for Obama wanted out of Iraq, and he listened to them? The horror! How dare he listen to voters? I mean, it's only a representative democracy and people shouldn't be going to Washington making decisions based on what the people want!

But it does have to do with breaking the agreement. Leaving troops in Iraq past 2011 would have been a violation without another agreement. If you're saying Maliki negiotiated in bad faith, well maybe....but Obama didn't control him in 2008 when the agreement was signed.
 
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rocket88 said:
You mean that the people who voted for Obama wanted out of Iraq, and he listened to them? The horror! How dare he listen to voters? I mean, it's only a representative democracy and people shouldn't be going to Washington making decisions based on what the people want!

But it does have to do with breaking the agreement. Leaving troops in Iraq past 2011 would have been a violation without another agreement. If you're saying Maliki negiotiated in bad faith, well maybe....but Obama didn't control him in 2008 when the agreement was signed.
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You cannot have it both ways but will always try. It has been claimed here that Obama ended the war in Iraq and you posted the Status of Forces Agreement signed by Bush so which is it? Who ended the war in Iraq?

Now you want to blame Bush for ISIS when Bush hasn't been in charge for over 6 years and claim that it was Bush who pulled all the troops out of Iraq. Liberals are very delusional and have a serious disease. Please seek help. Obama was and is arrogant, he is incompetent and it was solely Obama who didn't negotiate with Maliki to keep a contingency force in Iraq thus Obama lost the peace and the world is less safe today because of him. Implementing a contingency force agreement had nothing to do with the Status of Forces Agreement and you know it.

You think the U.S. didn't negotiate contingency troops in Korea and Germany after the war? You simply don't get it and probably never will.
 
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Conservative said:
You cannot have it both ways but will always try. It has been claimed here that Obama ended the war in Iraq and you posted the Status of Forces Agreement signed by Bush so which is it? Who ended the war in Iraq?

Now you want to blame Bush for ISIS when Bush hasn't been in charge for over 6 years and claim that it was Bush who pulled all the troops out of Iraq. Liberals are very delusional and have a serious disease. Please seek help. Obama was and is arrogant, he is incompetent and it was solely Obama who didn't negotiate with Maliki to keep a contingency force in Iraq thus Obama lost the peace and the world is less safe today because of him. Implementing a contingency force agreement had nothing to do with the Status of Forces Agreement and you know it.

You think the U.S. didn't negotiate contingency troops in Korea and Germany after the war? You simply don't get it and probably never will.
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They did negotiate bases in those countries. Then again, the surrender terms after WWII were kind of forced on Germany. You're assuming that Maliki would have agreed to a different agreement. That's an awfully big assumption.

As far as who ended the war, Bush signed the agreement, and Obama followed through on it. Is your position that he shouldn't have followed a diplomatic agreement? Unilaterally....maybe with an executive order....you know, ignore the treaty ratified by Congress.

Are you mad that your boy isn't getting credit for ending the war? It seems that you want it both ways here. You want Bush to get credit for ending the war, but want to assign all the consequences to Obama.
 
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rocket88 said:
They did negotiate bases in those countries. Then again, the surrender terms after WWII were kind of forced on Germany. You're assuming that Maliki would have agreed to a different agreement. That's an awfully big assumption.

As far as who ended the war, Bush signed the agreement, and Obama followed through on it. Is your position that he shouldn't have followed a diplomatic agreement? Unilaterally....maybe with an executive order....you know, ignore the treaty ratified by Congress.

Are you mad that your boy isn't getting credit for ending the war? It seems that you want it both ways here. You want Bush to get credit for ending the war, but want to assign all the consequences to Obama.
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it is a bigger assumption by you that Bush created the problems today and ignore the reality of what actually happened. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. Bush negotiated the withdrawal and Obama failed to negotiate a contingency force in Iraq because of his total disdain for Iraq. The problems in the world today can be traced back to the incompetence of leadership by Barack Obama

Mad? me, no I am quite frankly enjoying saying "I told Obama supporters so" and that they voted for an incompetent. Day after day those same supporters try to justify their support and their vote only to have history and reality destroy them. It would be much more mature to simply say "we screwed up and conservatives were right about Obama"

it really is sad that thousands and thousands of people have to die before any liberal will react to world wide threats. Obama thought he could talk his way out of any situation since he talked his way into the WH. He is totally arrogant and incompetent. When will you realize that?
 
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Conservative said:
it is a bigger assumption by you that Bush created the problems today and ignore the reality of what actually happened. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. Bush negotiated the withdrawal and Obama failed to negotiate a contingency force in Iraq because of his total disdain for Iraq. The problems in the world today can be traced back to the incompetence of leadership by Barack Obama

Mad? me, no I am quite frankly enjoying saying "I told Obama supporters so" and that they voted for an incompetent. Day after day those same supporters try to justify their support and their vote only to have history and reality destroy them. It would be much more mature to simply say "we screwed up and conservatives were right about Obama"

it really is sad that thousands and thousands of people have to die before any liberal will react to world wide threats. Obama thought he could talk his way out of any situation since he talked his way into the WH. He is totally arrogant and incompetent. When will you realize that?
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I did in 2012 when I didn't vote for his re-election. Sad that you can't say the same about Bush.
 
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Conservative said:
it is a bigger assumption by you that Bush created the problems today and ignore the reality of what actually happened. Bush won the war and Obama lost the peace. Bush negotiated the withdrawal and Obama failed to negotiate a contingency force in Iraq because of his total disdain for Iraq. The problems in the world today can be traced back to the incompetence of leadership by Barack Obama
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Bush didn't win anything. There was a corrupt government, sectarian violence and mistrust of the Iraqi government. Sorry, but yes, the problems in Iraq stem from Bush attacking and removing Saddam. Now, you are free to argue that we needed to do it, but don't expect anyone to buy your BS that Bush won the war. All Bush did was create a powder keg that was destined to explode.
 
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rocket88 said:
I did in 2012 when I didn't vote for his re-election. Sad that you can't say the same about Bush.
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I had a choice, Bush vs. Gore and then Bush vs. Kerry. I chose wisely. Democrats taking over the Congress in 2007 were the problem and anyone with a civics understanding knows that.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Bush didn't win anything. There was a corrupt government, sectarian violence and mistrust of the Iraqi government. Sorry, but yes, the problems in Iraq stem from Bush attacking and removing Saddam. Now, you are free to argue that we needed to do it, but don't expect anyone to buy your BS that Bush won the war. All Bush did was create a powder keg that was destined to explode.
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That is your opinion but wasn't the opinion of the world and the Congress when Bush REQUESTED approval. Your hindsight is always 20-20 but you have no idea what the world would be like with Saddam Hussein in power as you totally ignore anything that disagrees with what you have been told or want to believe. Bush did indeed win the war and Obama lost the peace, sorry but that is reality.
 
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Conservative said:
I had a choice, Bush vs. Gore and then Bush vs. Kerry. I chose wisely. Democrats taking over the Congress in 2007 were the problem and anyone with a civics understanding knows that.
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Still blaming your problems on everybody else. Is that the famous "personal responsibility?"

You could have voted 3rd party in 2004 if you realized the failures of Bush. But you are incapable of doing so, then you accuse everybody else of being incapable when it comes to Obama. You're as bad as the blue kool-aid drinkers, you just prefer a different flavor.
 
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rocket88 said:
Still blaming your problems on everybody else. Is that the famous "personal responsibility?"

You could have voted 3rd party in 2004 if you realized the failures of Bush. But you are incapable of doing so, then you accuse everybody else of being incapable when it comes to Obama. You're as bad as the blue kool-aid drinkers, you just prefer a different flavor.
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LOL, reality is a strange thing to people like you as is history. I could have wasted my vote or try to change the system from within. Again I chose wisely. Won't waste my vote in a Presidential election on a third party, the math doesn't support that position.

Bush didn't fail, he lost to the low information voter and people who have no clue as to the role of the Federal Govt. Bush's economic results and foreign policy results up to the point that Democrats took over Congress were not bad at all, 9 million jobs created, 4.9 percent unemployment, 4.5 trillion added to the GDP, and winning the war in Iraq.

It really doesn't serve any purpose to continue this discussion with you because nothing including actual data is going to change your mind. Yours is made up, yours was created by the leftwing media spin on the results, yours was based upon total ignorance as to basic civics, economics, and history, and yours diverts from the thread topic.

Keep making a fool of yourself. As it has been said when a political opponent is committing suicide get out of the way and let them.
 
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Conservative said:
That is your opinion but wasn't the opinion of the world and the Congress when Bush REQUESTED approval. Your hindsight is always 20-20 but you have no idea what the world would be like with Saddam Hussein in power as you totally ignore anything that disagrees with what you have been told or want to believe. Bush did indeed win the war and Obama lost the peace, sorry but that is reality.
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No, it is your opinion he won the war. I don't see putting up a corrupt government and sectarian violence and distrust of the Iraqi leadership as winning the war. So no it is NOT fact and your opinion is noted.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No, it is your opinion he won the war. I don't see putting up a corrupt government and sectarian violence and distrust of the Iraqi leadership as winning the war. So no it is NOT fact and your opinion is noted.
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That is your opinion, tell me the world is safer today than it was in 2008 when Bush was in office?
 
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Conservative said:
That is your opinion, tell me the world is safer today than it was in 2008 when Bush was in office?
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No it isn't and it hasn't been safe since BEFORE 2001. That is just one of the many reasons that I didn't vote for Obama OR Bush. However, because your lean is GOP you voted for Bush twice and therefore voted FOR his failed policies.
 
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TheNextEra said:
No it isn't and it hasn't been safe since BEFORE 2001. That is just one of the many reasons that I didn't vote for Obama OR Bush. However, because your lean is GOP you voted for Bush twice and therefore voted FOR his failed policies.
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Logic and common sense aren't part of your skill set. What exactly did you accomplish by voting for a third party? You are like far too many taking the easy way out rather than taking a stand. You accomplished nothing and let your pride overrule your own common sense. Don't have a lot of respect for people who cannot see the forest for the trees and believe they can change the system by complaining all the time.
 
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Conservative said:
Logic and common sense aren't part of your skill set. What exactly did you accomplish by voting for a third party? You are like far too many taking the easy way out rather than taking a stand. You accomplished nothing and let your pride overrule your own common sense. Don't have a lot of respect for people who cannot see the forest for the trees and believe they can change the system by complaining all the time.
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Unlike you I'm not part of the problem, YOU are. What did YOU accomplish? Nothing except making the problems WORSE. Yeah, that's good logic there. :roll:

America is failing because of people like YOU. And you in turn just try to blame someone else for a problem YOU help make.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Unlike you I'm not part of the problem, YOU are. What did YOU accomplish? Nothing except making the problems WORSE. Yeah, that's good logic there. :roll:

America is failing because of people like YOU. And you in turn just try to blame someone else for a problem YOU help make.
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Really? what problems did I make worse. I voted for a President who in 7 years created 9 million jobs, added 4.5 trillion to the GDP, won the war in Iraq, and had 4.9% unemployment. Looks to me like I chose wisely.
 
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Conservative said:
LOL, reality is a strange thing to people like you as is history. I could have wasted my vote or try to change the system from within. Again I chose wisely. Won't waste my vote in a Presidential election on a third party, the math doesn't support that position.
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So what did you do to try to "change the system from within?" See, when I was presented with a choice between Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb in 2012, I chose neither. You chose Tweedle-Dee. That'll show 'em!

Enjoy the red kool-aid. You're going to keep finding a reason to drink it anyway.
 
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Conservative said:
Really? what problems did I make worse. I voted for a President who in 7 years created 9 million jobs, added 4.5 trillion to the GDP, won the war in Iraq, and had 4.9% unemployment. Looks to me like I chose wisely.
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It doesn't matter what Bush's results were to you. You love him unconditionally.

Is it really different being a Bush-slurper than an Obama-slurper? Does it taste different to you?
 
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Conservative said:
Really? what problems did I make worse. I voted for a President who in 7 years created 9 million jobs, added 4.5 trillion to the GDP, won the war in Iraq, and had 4.9% unemployment. Looks to me like I chose wisely.
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And turned Iraq into a cesspool of uncontrollable corruption and distrust amongst the population. Which has given rise to ISIS. You think ISIS would be in Iraq if Saddam was around. Yeah, you ARE part of the problem. You aren't a conservative, you are a Republican FIRST. That much has been shown.
 
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rocket88 said:
It doesn't matter what Bush's results were to you. You love him unconditionally.

Is it really different being a Bush-slurper than an Obama-slurper? Does it taste different to you?
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Results matter, Rocket, and life is about choices, choices that you may not like but you still have to make one. I made the right one for me with the choices I had and the results show that I chose wisely.
 
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