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American Forces Said to Bomb ISIS Targets in Iraq[W:1007]

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apdst said:
I believe things in the ME are going exactly how Obama wants them too. His meager actions are just for show; to appear that he's doing something.
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I'm not as cynical, but I can appreciate that point of view.
 
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grip said:
Haven't you been reading any of my posts? Why should America get involved, really? ISIS is rolling all over Syria, Iraq and now the Kurds, killing 100k's of innocent people. Next, it'll be Turkey and Jordan. That's a recipe for the US military to bring the hurt.
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And again, the time for getting involved was 4 years ago, when Syria was first bubbling up, not 4 years later when all hell is breaking loose. If Turkey is attacked, NATO will be involved. If Jordan is attacked, the UN will be involved.

Let the Iraqi leadership go to the UN for assistance. As long as Maliki is still in charge in Iraq, let them fight their own battles - let him reap what he's sown. I'd be much more inclined to support an American led coalition to enter Ukraine and stand up to the Russians before it's too late.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm not as cynical, but I can appreciate that point of view.
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The only other option is impotence.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
And again, the time for getting involved was 4 years ago, when Syria was first bubbling up, not 4 years later when all hell is breaking loose. If Turkey is attacked, NATO will be involved. If Jordan is attacked, the UN will be involved.

Let the Iraqi leadership go to the UN for assistance. As long as Maliki is still in charge in Iraq, let them fight their own battles - let him reap what he's sown. I'd be much more inclined to support an American led coalition to enter Ukraine and stand up to the Russians before it's too late.
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You can't get your head out of the past long enough to see what's current. The President just got off the phone with King Abdullah of Jordan with promises of US defense. The UN couldn't beat up a wet napkin compared to us, nor are they positioned to act quickly.

The Pentagon has been watching this situation for years and months, knowing they might have to act. It's not matter of "if", it's only a matter of 'when'.

Stand up to the Russians, huh? Now you're showing your naivete and lack of geopolitical comprehension, because that ain't happening.
 
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grip said:
You can't get your head out of the past long enough to see what's current. The President just got off the phone with King Abdullah of Jordan with promises of US defense. The UN couldn't beat up a wet napkin compared to us, nor are they positioned to act quickly.

The Pentagon has been watching this situation for years and months, knowing they might have to act. It's not matter of "if", it's only a matter of 'when'.

Stand up to the Russians, huh? Now you're showing your naivete and lack of geopolitical comprehension, because that ain't happening.
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Not living in the past and no interest in returning to the past.

My suggestions related to the UN were to assist the US in avoiding another unilateral action that would provide your country with no benefit and an infinite potential for being blamed again.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Not living in the past and no interest in returning to the past.

My suggestions related to the UN were to assist the US in avoiding another unilateral action that would provide your country with no benefit and an infinite potential for being blamed again.
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Blamed by who for what? For trying to make the world a safer place? The first Wars may have been ill advised but they weren't done to hurt innocent people.

The UN has become almost strictly concerned with Europe and 3rd world countries that affect it. Between arming the Kurds in the north, prodding the Iraqi ground troops from the south and US air support we can bring the wampum.
 
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grip said:
Blamed by who for what? For trying to make the world a safer place? The first Wars may have been ill advised but they weren't done to hurt innocent people.

The UN has become almost strictly concerned with Europe and 3rd world countries that affect it. Between arming the Kurds in the north, prodding the Iraqi ground troops from the south and US air support we can bring the wampum.
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I have no problem assisting the Kurds, arming them and providing tactical assistance and guidance. From my perspective, the Kurds are the only honest party in this whole mess. But the Kurds decided that they would back out of the central Iraqi government and retrench into their own area. If I'm not mistaken, they even officially or unofficially declared their part of the country as a separate entity. In my view, providing military support to the Kurds could set up the US for danger with the Turkish government who remains deeply concerned about the Kurdish elements within Turkey's borders attempting to secede and join in a larger Kurdish country.

I think what your seeing here is the result of inattention. My point, and I appreciate you don't agree, is that it is more to the benefit of America to stay out of this militarily at this point. It is impossible to know what the various outcomes will be going forward and what the impact of each outcome may be. I think it's too late now.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Not living in the past and no interest in returning to the past.

My suggestions related to the UN were to assist the US in avoiding another unilateral action that would provide your country with no benefit and an infinite potential for being blamed again.
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Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

My questions here are why we are doing this unilaterally? What are the reasons that our allies are not backing this action and joining us?

Since I don't know the answers to those questions, I have come to the conclusion that the US is going to be blamed either way. Acting alone makes us look like aggressors by one side or the other, even though this is supposedly a humanitarian effort. So are we going to continue to help the people trapped in the mountains, or is this it? They're going to be hungry and thirsty next week too, if we don't get them out of harm's way. If we don't act, we are somehow shirking our duty, but our allies apparently don't agree with us. Maybe if we didn't have the reputation for being "policeman to the world," things would be different, but they sure don't have a problem expecting our help when they need it.

And lastly, our being invaded by thousands upon thousands of illegal children and adults, and being forced to feed, clothe, and house them was also called a "humanitarian crisis." Those words seem to be coming up a lot lately in the news.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I have no problem assisting the Kurds, arming them and providing tactical assistance and guidance. From my perspective, the Kurds are the only honest party in this whole mess. But the Kurds decided that they would back out of the central Iraqi government and retrench into their own area. If I'm not mistaken, they even officially or unofficially declared their part of the country as a separate entity. In my view, providing military support to the Kurds could set up the US for danger with the Turkish government who remains deeply concerned about the Kurdish elements within Turkey's borders attempting to secede and join in a larger Kurdish country.

I think what your seeing here is the result of inattention. My point, and I appreciate you don't agree, is that it is more to the benefit of America to stay out of this militarily at this point. It is impossible to know what the various outcomes will be going forward and what the impact of each outcome may be. I think it's too late now.
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That's baloney, Maliki cut them off financially over a year ago. We sent all kinds of arms and supplies to central Baghdad for the Kurds that they never received. Turkey only has the Kurds between them and ISIS, and are probably damn happy about it right now.

It's the results of sectarian division and governmental corruption. It's too late for what? I guarantee, if some terrorists bombed the crap of Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec City or Toronto you'd change your mind?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I didn't "fib" at all nor did I contradict myself - I read your post - it has one line and then a link entitled US, no source, nothing to explain what it is. I have no intention of going on a chase of your choosing. If you've got a point to make, make it.
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Riiiiight.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Canada was never officially there. Canada was not part of the coalition and initial American adventure into Iraq although we did, secretly, provide logistical and naval support to the operation from our resources in the region at the time.

Apparently, this is another issue you're woefully ill informed about.
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Really? You have an embassy in Erbil. And you lost troops in Iraq. Way to insult their deaths.

The U.S. was never officially in Cambodia either but my dad was deployed there for a year.
 
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If the goal to prevent further genocide why didn't America foam a coalition months ago when ISIS crossed the border into Iraq? BTW this genocide was happening all along in Syria.
 
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Born Free said:
The pull out by Bush was planned to have a force left behind and keep airfields occupied, but no Obama pulled out everything. And now he has to gone back in with ground troops and now with planes from a ship. Of course Obama calls our ground troops "advisers."
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The fact that we are even THERE is evidence of Obama's failure-he wanted out despite the fact that terrorists were expanding across the middle east-and more political purposes-he wanted to be the president that ended the iraq war-even if that meant abandoning the nation to "end" the war-remember when "WIN" the war was the goal?

And he's going to do the same in afghanistan-what an utterly destructive and inept President.
 
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Well if Obama is enept in his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan, especially wrt "winning the war", it also underlines how utterly and fully incompetent the administration that put American boots on the ground there in the first place, was.
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, CJ. :2wave:

My questions here are why we are doing this unilaterally? What are the reasons that our allies are not backing this action and joining us?

Since I don't know the answers to those questions, I have come to the conclusion that the US is going to be blamed either way. Acting alone makes us look like aggressors by one side or the other, even though this is supposedly a humanitarian effort. So are we going to continue to help the people trapped in the mountains, or is this it? They're going to be hungry and thirsty next week too, if we don't get them out of harm's way. If we don't act, we are somehow shirking our duty, but our allies apparently don't agree with us. Maybe if we didn't have the reputation for being "policeman to the world," things would be different, but they sure don't have a problem expecting our help when they need it.

And lastly, our being invaded by thousands upon thousands of illegal children and adults, and being forced to feed, clothe, and house them was also called a "humanitarian crisis." Those words seem to be coming up a lot lately in the news.
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You are spot on, Polgara!

I like the move the President has taken so far, but it is difficult for America to get Allies right now because of the uncertainty of American leadership. Obama has already announced to the world that there will be no boots on the ground. Would that statement inspire your friends or frighten the enemy?

The USA, like it or not, is the world leader and we need America to act. I think we all know that if George Bush was President this wouldn't be happening, that there would be many countries aligned with the US, just as there was in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But now? I don't think so. The Militant leaders are simply much stronger and determined, and millions will die as a consequence.
 
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jaydeehess said:
Well if Obama is enept in his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan, especially wrt "winning the war", it also underlines how utterly and fully incompetent the administration that put American boots on the ground there in the first place, was.
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That makes no sense.
 
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SgtRock said:
If the goal to prevent further genocide why didn't America foam a coalition months ago when ISIS crossed the border into Iraq? BTW this genocide was happening all along in Syria.
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Because it wasn't Politically relevent or advantageous to the Obama administration or the Democrats who're up for re-election in November.

Now, he may be looking at a real Genocide and a Genocide after he chose to clear every semblance of the American Military out of Iraq.

To Obama and the Democrats, nothing is done unless its Politically beneficial
 
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SgtRock said:
If the goal to prevent further genocide why didn't America foam a coalition months ago when ISIS crossed the border into Iraq? BTW this genocide was happening all along in Syria.
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the answer is primarily political... Obama couldn't take the chance of displeasing his base before an election.

FWIW, I don't think we should be doing ****....except maybe evacuating non-combatants to the nearest fiendly port as a humanitarian gesture

folks wanna fight?.. let em fight.
not our circus, not our monkeys.


if ISIS ever comes a callin'... destroy them with extreme malice.... but as long as they are dancing in thier own backyard, **** em'.. let em' dance.
 
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jaydeehess said:
Well if Obama is enept in his handling of Iraq and Afghanistan, especially wrt "winning the war", it also underlines how utterly and fully incompetent the administration that put American boots on the ground there in the first place, was.
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Actually isis wasn't on the run killing Christians and threatening Genocide when Bush was President.
 
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grip said:
Here's another very possible scenario.

The US allows ISIS to grow in power and scope. They already control more land mass than Great Britain, a far cry more money and stolen US armament than Al Qaeda ever had. They march into southern Iraq taking over Baghdad and the oil fields, then onto Jordan. Iran and Saudi Arabia responds with all out war, possibly blocking the Persian Gulf. Oil markets cause a sudden rise in gas prices, while the weakened global economy causes stock markets start to tank. Eventually they hit the US on its own soil with multiple terrorists attacks. There's your next ten years or WW3.
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And we still dont care because electric cars are taking off, and MPG standards are in effect.

And if gas was $10 I would not care. And neither would any smart person in USA.

USA gas would be in a separate market because of ISIS, and we would export oil for massive profits!

they would not attack USA, because they have limited goals on the other side of the planet, and we WOULD NOT ATTACK them.
 
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Fenton said:
Because it wasn't Politically relevent or advantageous to the Obama administration or the Democrats who're up for re-election in November.

Now, he may be looking at a real Genocide and a Genocide after he chose to clear every semblance of the American Military out of Iraq.

To Obama and the Democrats, nothing is done unless its Politically beneficial
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We have looked back to the Holocaust of the 1940's and asked ourselves how this could possibly happen. Now we know.
 
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Fenton said:
Actually isis wasn't on the run killing Christians and threatening Genocide when Bush was President.
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It seems Community Organizers are only familiar with "Power Vacuums" when it comes to cleaning their carpets.
 
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