America's Fed Up: Obama Approval Rating Hits All-Time Low, Poll Shows [W:256]

Jetboogieman said:

And Blind loyalty to the extremist right wing has its negative consequences as well... namely everything you've ever posted.

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What do you mean by blind loyalty to the "extremists right wing"... who are these people and what in your mind makes them "extreme"???

bubbabgone said:

You make point.
It appears the Nobel Prize Committee perceived Obama a lot more accurately than many of our own citizens.
They said ... "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" ... but they were thinking "for his willingness to subordinate his own Country and redistribute its abundance across the Globe until equality is acheived"

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I didn't realize that President Obama created the New Deal and Great Society programs -- silly me.

Actually, during the Progressive Era (about 100 years ago,) it was commonplace and widely accepted to support high taxes on the rich specifically in order to keep the rich from getting richer. Also, the U.S. foreign Aide budget is about $45 billion, with much of it credits to buy American products. That fact is at odds with the ludicrous claim that Obama is "redistributing [America's] abundance across the Globe."

In essence, the above post is from some other place than reality.

bubbabgone said:

Mornin' Pol.
How're the berries doing today?

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I bought some fine netting yesterday, and the guy who helps me with outside work is currently getting it spread around each bush. He is gathering the netting together at the bottom and tying it to the bush "trunks" to completely enclose the bushes. The birds are sitting in nearby trees watching, so we'll see. I have now lowered my wine expectations to one bottle *fingers crossed*, and if it didn't taste so good, I wouldn't even bother with that. :sigh: :mrgreen:

Greetings, bubba. :2wave: What are you up to these days?

j-mac said:

What do you mean by blind loyalty to the "extremists right wing"... who are these people and what in your mind makes them "extreme"???

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Extremist right-wing are the people who reject what has traditionally been centrist American beliefs. Specifically, the extremist right-wing reject progressive taxation and government social programs. They are people who a generation ago would have been members of the John Birch Society. Contrarily, Dwight Eisenhower was an example of a centrist Republican. This is what Ike said:

Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor law and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man and they are stupid!" Dwight Eisenhower, November 8, 1954.

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joG said:

You might like this in the context. At least the picture say a lot:
Do No (More) Harm

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Excellent! :thumbs: Most sane people don't particularly enjoy fighting battles they can't win - unfortunately they aren't in DC, so this is what we get! Do the DC'ers really think that they are going to change 1,000 years of religious history because they feel like it? Appears so. Notice I used the word "sane" above! :lol:

Greetings, joG. :2wave:

MTAtech said:

I didn't realize that President Obama created the New Deal and Great Society programs -- silly me.

Actually, during the Progressive Era (about 100 years ago,) it was commonplace and widely accepted to support high taxes on the rich specifically in order to keep the rich from getting richer. Also, the U.S. foreign Aide budget is about $45 billion, with much of it credits to buy American products. That fact is at odds with the ludicrous claim that Obama is "redistributing [America's] abundance across the Globe."

In essence, the above post is from some other place than reality.

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Your post was too simple minded ... in essence.
By his actions on energy, as one example, he affected our economic growth negatively and not as economically dominant ... and don't get me started on foreign policy.
And given that he's known for apologizing to the world for our strength before he came along, it's not surprising the UN would recognize him for that.

polgara said:

I bought some fine netting yesterday, and the guy who helps me with outside work is currently getting it spread around each bush. He is gathering the netting together at the bottom and tying it to the bush "trunks" to completely enclose the bushes. The birds are sitting in nearby trees watching, so we'll see. I have now lowered my wine expectations to one bottle *fingers crossed*, and if it didn't taste so good, I wouldn't even bother with that. :sigh: :mrgreen:

Greetings, bubba. :2wave: What are you up to these days?

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Those nets (are yours 1"?) are a bear to get on and off.
They have caused me a whole lot of agita over the years.
Had to go to chicken wire for the grapes and blueberries.

Well, I was looking for Jet's view on it, but I'll talk about yours as well....

MTAtech said:

Extremist right-wing are the people who reject what has traditionally been centrist American beliefs.

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Who decides what are "traditional centrist American beliefs"??? You?

Specifically, the extremist right-wing reject progressive taxation and government social programs.

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Progressive taxation been with us for just over 150 years, and in that time the tax code of the US has grown to the point that no one, not even CPA's fully understand it. The reason behind most progressive tax codes is to establish social spending, or transfer from one group, to another. At the very least it is a socialist system by definition. I am in favor of a flat tax system with a graduated step for income levels, and do away with all the other crap.

As for social programs, they are in great need of serious reform. Only those that are in true need should be able to access them, and they should be tied to education so that those that do get on the system have to complete a program to train them for a job that needs to be done in our country, so that they stay on Welfare is limited.

They are people who a generation ago would have been members of the John Birch Society.

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Using JBS as a pejorative against people is only a way to box them in...For instance, when myself or others use terms like "the left", or even "liberal'' and "progressive" I often get a response from liberals and progressives that they are not such. JBS may have strong rhetoric, and advocate views that are antithetical to your own, but does that really make them "extreme"??? I don't think it does, even if I don't agree with everything they say.

Contrarily, Dwight Eisenhower was an example of a centrist Republican. This is what Ike said:

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Whether you like it or not is not the question. It is common knowledge that "Ike" and Welch didn't like each other too much, my guess is that Eisenhower displayed some "progressive" ideals that Welch deplored.

j-mac said:

Dead and burried? No. But a lazy response to criticism? You bet.

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As it is still a viable criticism, to which you agree by agreeing it isn't dead, how can it be presented that you wouldn't call it lazy? The first question I would ask is if it is accurate?

Boo Radley said:

As it is still a viable criticism, to which you agree by agreeing it isn't dead, how can it be presented that you wouldn't call it lazy? The first question I would ask is if it is accurate?

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Accuracy is subjective to the person that wants to attach the label. Your response here is irrelevant.

bubbabgone said:

Those nets (are yours 1"?) are a bear to get on and off.
They have caused me a whole lot of agita over the years.
Had to go to chicken wire for the grapes and blueberries.

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They're almost like the netting you would see on a bridal veil or a screen on a screen door, but with a little bit larger openings in the netting - maybe a little more than 1/8' inch in diameter, and pliable soft plastic. Very tightly woven together, but sunlight and rain can enter. At this point, nothing is going to ripen further anyway, so no problem. The fact that they are elderberries, which are very small, was one reason why I chose that particular netting. I didn't want those that the birds didn't eat to fall to the ground due to over-ripeness, if you know what I mean. :sigh:

Someone suggested that I go to a Salvation Army or Goodwill store, and buy old white curtains, sew them together to fit what I needed to cover, and use those. I was hesitant to do that because of possible mold on the curtains if they didn't dry out in a hurry, so I bought the netting. We'll see how that works out.

j-mac said:

Accuracy is subjective to the person that wants to attach the label. Your response here is irrelevant.

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Not really true. I reject that all reality is subjective. While some of it may be hard to see, there was either a race element or there wasn't.

Boo Radley said:

Not really true. I reject that all reality is subjective. While some of it may be hard to see, there was either a race element or there wasn't.

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To know that you would have to presume to know the heart of the person you are attaching that label to. And while you may reject it, doesn't make it fact, you are simply projecting your own reality.

j-mac said:

To know that you would have to presume to know the heart of the person you are attaching that label to. And while you may reject it, doesn't make it fact, you are simply projecting your own reality.

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I haven't attached a label to anyone. But if I did, it wouldn't be to the heart but the act. An act might well be racist or based on race. And if reality is all subjective, we might as well quite having any opinions as none matter, nor do facts. It's all a waste of time. That car didn't really run over a woman, as I don't think it did. That type of thing doesn't really work.

Boo Radley said:

I haven't attached a label to anyone. But if I did, it wouldn't be to the heart but the act. An act might well be racist or based on race. And if reality is all subjective, we might as well quite having any opinions as none matter, nor do facts. It's all a waste of time. That car didn't really run over a woman, as I don't think it did. That type of thing doesn't really work.

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That is not what is happening today. The "racist" label is being thrown about so often that it is simply diluted. Offering that someone is saying something racist, or committing an act that is racial in component depends clearly on your perception of said speech, or act.

j-mac said:

This is clearly a contender, if not the winner of the absolute worst President this country has ever had.

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Yea, not really.

He's not a good president, but there's worse, GWB being the most recent of the bunch.

Van Basten said:

Yea, not really.

He's not a good president, but there's worse, GWB being the most recent of the bunch.

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Bush was Washington and Lincoln rolled into one next to this carnival clown.

TheNextEra said:

A Couple of things.

#1 the question for the Right Track/Wrong track was asked:



That INCLUDES Congress in that as well, NOT just the President.

#2 The question about Obama you left out:



These numbers go along with his approval rating which is about what Bush's around this time. Nice try, but hardly the worst President this country has ever had. I will say he is a bad president but not the worst president.

Nice try on cherry picking there.

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There hasn't been a modern President in U.S. history that has this poor of a performance after taking over during a recession. The world is a mess and the economy is a mess. We tried to tell people who they were electing and re-electing and yet the American Idol Crowd just didn't get it. Hope they get exactly what they deserve, the rest of us don't deserve it.

Now you can go back to your old talking points of how bad 2008 was and I will agree, it was bad but it wasn't Bush alone that created the recession, it was Democrats more concerned with regaining the WH than doing their job. This along with very poor communication skills led to the Bush derangement Syndrome we are still seeing today.

Van Basten said:

Yea, not really.

He's not a good president, but there's worse, GWB being the most recent of the bunch.

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Spoken like someone who believes what they are told and ignores the actual results. Name for me one, JUST ONE economic number that Obama has that has been better than Bush? Bush won the Iraq War and Obama lost the peace, We had the Afghanistan War won but again Obama is losing the peace. What exactly is it going to take for you and others to realize what a disaster Obama is? Do you pay any attention at all to what is really going on in this country(economic results) or foreign policy? This is really sad, such poor leadership.

Obama sucks...big deal.

GW Bush sucked before him.

And it doesn't matter who gets in in 2016, I guarantee you, they will suck as well.

It's the voters fault far more then the politician's.

Nobody is putting a gun to the masses heads to elect these political losers.

Van Basten said:

Yea, not really.

He's not a good president, but there's worse, GWB being the most recent of the bunch.

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Hardly.

GWB was the victim of a 8 year long manufactured narrative perpetuated by those who oppose him politically.

Thats it.

Obama's election proved beyond a reasonable doubt just how gullible the average American voter was

Obama's election was supposed to signify to the World that the American voter had transcended race and the Status quo and finally elected a Leader who was beyond the Washington machinations that bogg down progress.

All it did was to let the world know just how susceptible and Gullible Millions of American voters were

It was embarrassing.

Most of these voters bought into all the " Bush lied people died " nonsense so it was no surprise they would equate empty platitudes and bumper sticker slogans to Presidential qualifications.

jmotivator said:

I never get tired of folks defending Obama by comparing him to George Bush.

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I never get tired of conservatives trying to pretend that George W. Bush never existed.

CRUE CAB said:

You would give your left eye to live here. Admit it, your "hate" of the south is nothing more than jealousy.

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Jealousy of what? I've been to Florida. I have absolutely no desire to live there.

DA60 said:

Obama sucks...big deal.

GW Bush sucked before him.

And it doesn't matter who gets in in 2016, I guarantee you, they will suck as well.

It's the voters fault far more then the politician's.

Nobody is putting a gun to the masses heads to elect these political losers.

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But what is a voter to do when the most qualified refuse to even seek the nomination? When the two major parties give us a choice between dumb and dumber.

Kobie said:

I never get tired of conservatives trying to pretend that George W. Bush never existed.

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GW Bush definitely existed, he left the office with a relatively safe and stable Iraq, no Muslim Brotherhood, a relatively stable Afghanistan. Prior to the Democrats taking Congress he had an economy that grew from 9.9 trillion dollars to 14.5 trillion and created 9 million jobs. Fenton nailed it in post 296 and the low information voters bought the narrative and ignored the actual data and substance.

Basic civics will tell exactly what happened. Prior to the beginning of fiscal year 2008 Republicans controlled the legislative process and purse strings. Fiscal year economic policies and foreign policies were established prior to the Democrats taking Congress in January 2007. Fiscal year of the U.S. begins in October, fiscal year 2007 began on October 1, 2006.

GW Bush is judged entirely on fiscal year 2008 with a Democrat Congress in control of the purse strings and legislative process. To this date Obama is responsible for nothing according to the low information voters