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American General Killed in Shooting at Afghan Military Academy

Kobie said:
That's one of the most demented things I've seen you post.
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No way! I bet I've posted something way more demented than that. ;)

Can you prove me wrong?
 
Were any members of the Bush family involved in helping Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930's.
I can't believe a Veteran like you would say that a President would be happy about one of his Generals being killed.
apdst said:
Did 100% of Congress vote to go to war with Germany and Japan, in 1941?
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But please don't stop.
Dems must stop trying to help GOPs help themselvesw .
 
Would you care to answer it?
Why did the Chicken**** chickenhawk Cheney choose to fight the wrong war first--Iraq?
Oh--and your latest dodge is duly noted .
USViking said:
Would you care to repeat this?
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NIMBY said:
Were any members of the Bush family involved in helping Hitler and the Nazis in the 1930's.
I can't believe a Veteran like you would say that a President would be happy about one of his Generals being killed.

But please don't stop.
Dems must stop trying to help GOPs help themselvesw .
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Were any members of the Kennedy family in cahoots with Hitler? Someone named, "Joe", perhaps?

Any veteran worth his salt sees Obama for the piece-a-**** he really is.
 
Sherman123 said:
How terribly sad. Like the thousands of Afghan and coalition troops that went before him he gave his life in defense of democracy and the values of civilization. The training facility received 10,000 applications from eager Afghan recruits and I can only hope that those in the overwhelming majority go on to graduate and serve honorably for their country. For every attack like this it's worth remembering that 12,000 members of the Afghan security forces have died fighting the Taliban and its allies and frequent polls and voter participation have shown that support for the Taliban is in the minority. Yet it wouldn't be the first time a violent and entrenched minority has destroyed a country or an entire region.
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You can't democratize the ME.
 
Sherman123 said:
How terribly sad. Like the thousands of Afghan and coalition troops that went before him he gave his life in defense of democracy and the values of civilization. The training facility received 10,000 applications from eager Afghan recruits and I can only hope that those in the overwhelming majority go on to graduate and serve honorably for their country. For every attack like this it's worth remembering that 12,000 members of the Afghan security forces have died fighting the Taliban and its allies and frequent polls and voter participation have shown that support for the Taliban is in the minority. Yet it wouldn't be the first time a violent and entrenched minority has destroyed a country or an entire region.
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What country?

Imo, Afghanistan is not a country...it never was. It is a group of peoples that were forced to band together as a country (often against their will) by their colonial masters.

The west is trying to force Afghanis to stay formed as a country that makes no sense.

America and the West should leave the Afghanis alone to decide where they want their final borders to be...because I guarantee you that 100 years from now that there is virtually no chance Afghanistan will be as it is now...not even close. It will (imo) end up like Iraq is going (and should be allowed to go), formed into historic and logical smaller countries.

Why are so many people (I am not speaking of you here) so obsessed by keeping things as they were without considering that maybe some things are NOT better off as they traditionally have been. Tradition is fine...but only if it is for a logical reason. Tradition strictly for traditions sake is silly.

The brave western troops died (and are dying) to mostly preserve a tradition (Afghanistan as it is) whose only reason for continuance is tradition...not logical (imo).

I think Obama should just leave them alone and stop throwing honorable lives and money America does not have on a hopeless cause that is 7,000 miles from home.
 
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USViking said:
You seem to be missing something.

It was a united American government, with the full support of a united American people that took us in.
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No it was NOT the full support of the American people, I was among the voices of protest!
 
I assume the shooter was killed although I didn't see it mentioned in the article. This would be in the category of suicide bomber/killers.

It is almost impossible to defend against anyone willing to take his own life.
 
apdst said:
Were any members of the Kennedy family in cahoots with Hitler? Someone named, "Joe", perhaps?

Any veteran worth his salt sees Obama for the piece-a-**** he really is.
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I think you mistake that for the Bush family.


George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
 
Crosscheck said:
I assume the shooter was killed although I didn't see it mentioned in the article. This would be in the category of suicide bomber/killers.

It is almost impossible to defend against anyone willing to take his own life.
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Yes, he was killed.
 
Blue_State said:
What garbage. Taking an event in a war zone and trying to turn it into some second amendment debate? So sad.
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Not me, bud. I never brought the Second Amendment into it. I was making a comment on the society and trying to put another perspective on the event.
Please quote accurately when you're making a point.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Bush's fault. And us white people are racist.
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You poor thing. I hope you can find your way out of your self pity strawman suit.
 
Montecresto said:
No, I'm talking common sense for all but those who personally have something to gain by interfering in everyone else's business. For the umpteenth time, we can provide aid, help with starvation, homelessness, aids, farming advancements, water quality, trade and other business, joint projects that advance civilizations, encourage and enrich everyone. Tourism, disaster relief and all the other humanitarian adventures too numerous to list. But wishing to end US imperialism isn't isolationism, that's just a dirty four letter word you warmongers like to label peaceful people with.
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put simply... using methods of construction not destruction.
 
USViking said:
How old were you in 2001?

Kindergarten age?

That would be about right considering the content of your post.

We went into Afghanistan for no other reason than that it was providing a base and refuge for the Osama Bin laden-Al Qaeda-Night Creatures who carried out the 9/11 attack.

It was a just war if there ever was one.

We have stayed there since only to ensure that the Night Creature host does not take over again.

If isolationist nitwits, such as you, have their way then the Night Creatures probably will return, and more of our people will die than if we stay as long as we need to.
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Wow... you write this tripe and throwing personal insults while going after someone else's maturity level?

interesting.
 
USViking said:
They will not have been killed in vain if we have the guts to stand fast. Hopefully Iraq has taught us something in that regard.
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Seems important to you. I suggest you pick up ****ing rifle and get your ass over there unless of course you are just e-pissed and showing off your e-toughness and can't actually walk your talk.
 
DA60 said:
What country?

Imo, Afghanistan is not a country...it never was. It is a group of peoples that were forced to band together as a country (often against their will) by their colonial masters.

The west is trying to force Afghanis to stay formed as a country that makes no sense.

America and the West should leave the Afghanis alone to decide where they want their final borders to be...because I guarantee you that 100 years from now that there is virtually no chance Afghanistan will be as it is now...not even close. It will (imo) end up like Iraq is going (and should be allowed to go), formed into historic and logical smaller countries.

Why are so many people (I am not speaking of you here) so obsessed by keeping things as they were without considering that maybe some things are NOT better off as they traditionally have been. Tradition is fine...but only if it is for a logical reason. Tradition strictly for traditions sake is silly.

The brave western troops died (and are dying) to mostly preserve a tradition (Afghanistan as it is) whose only reason for continuance is tradition...not logical (imo).

I think Obama should just leave them alone and stop throwing honorable lives and money America does not have on a hopeless cause that is 7,000 miles from home.
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What are you talking about? Afghanistan was not formed by 'colonial masters' it was pulled together by indigenous forces. No one is trying to 'force' Afghanistan to stay together just like no one is trying to tear it apart. It isn't like the Taliban has been a secessionist movement. I think you are deeply confused.
 
Sherman123 said:
It isn't in the Middle East and why couldn't you? Most people in the region want democracy. Do you think they are racially incapable of embracing it?
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Well no, it's not "thee" Middle East. And no I don't think it's a racial problem. I think it's a US control problem. Why do we not force democracy on Saudi Arabia?
 
Montecresto said:
Well no, it's not "thee" Middle East. And no I don't think it's a racial problem. I think it's a US control problem.
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You can't have democracy in the Middle East... because of US control? Funny. I thought it was a brutal dictator problem.
 
Sherman123 said:
You can't have democracy in the Middle East... because of US control? Funny. I thought it was a brutal dictator problem.
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I never said that. The ME region is one place on earth that dictators are the preferred for stability short of democracy. Though the US has been removing the strong men giving rise to sectarian violence and power to the militant Islamists that we have supported for decades now.
 
Montecresto said:
I never said that. The ME region is one place on earth that dictators are the preferred for stability short of democracy. Though the US has been removing the strong men giving rise to sectarian violence and power to the militant Islamists that we have supported for decades now.
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Preferred by whom? The people in Syria and Egypt desired democracy, the people in Iran desire true democracy, despite the horrendous bloodshed brought about by militant Islamists democracy remains the favored form of government there, Palestinians have experience with and desire a democratic form of government, I could go on and on. The argument that these people need to be kept in line by a military dictator is colonialist and imperialist propaganda.
 
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