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House passes $694 million border bill

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CNN Politics said:
Washington (CNN) -- In a late-night vote after a bitterly partisan debate, the House of Representatives passed a $694 million border bill Friday, but the measure has no chance of becoming law.
The vote was almost entirely on party lines, 223-189, with just one Democrat, Texas Rep. Henry Cuellar, voting for it. Four Republicans opposed the legislation.

The bill proposes to give the Department of Homeland Security more than $400 million for additional border security and law enforcement measures. It would allocate more than $20 million to speed up the deportation process by accelerating the judicial process, and also would set aside millions for National Guard border efforts and temporary housing for unaccompanied minors, among other things.


The measure that passed Friday also included a change to a 2008 anti-trafficking law to make it easier to send home the unaccompanied children from Central American countries.
The Democratic-led Senate had already left Washington to start a five-week summer recess after it was unable to pass its own legislation to give President Barack Obama some of the money he's requested to address the massive influx of migrants at the nation's southwestern border.
At a news conference Friday, President Barack Obama dismissed the House GOP measure as "a message bill" and vowed to veto if it came across his desk.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/01/politics/house-border-bill/index.html

The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?
 
It's amazing just how much political hay can be made by passing bills that have zero chance of ever becoming law. Now, let's get busy and overturn Obamacare once again while suing the president for delaying the implementation of parts of it. That's the ticket.
 
House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?

heck reid won't even allow the bill to come to the floor what are you talking about he will table this bill just like he has table the other 350 bills that have come from the house.
 
It's amazing just how much political hay can be made by passing bills that have zero chance of ever becoming law. Now, let's get busy and overturn Obamacare once again while suing the president for delaying the implementation of parts of it. That's the ticket.

obama wanted a bill so the house sent him a bill. as usual obama cry's like a 2 year old because he can't get his way. that is exactly what it is.
the bill has everything in that he wants except for the 3 billion dollars.
 
obama wanted a bill so the house sent him a bill. as usual obama cry's like a 2 year old because he can't get his way. that is exactly what it is.
the bill has everything in that he wants except for the 3 billion dollars.

But the bill hasn't gone to the president and never will. It's simply another bit of political gamesmanship.
 
then blame harry reid and obama.

Are they the ones who keep passing bills they know won't ever become law just to make political points? If so, then, indeed ... wait... the president doesn't make laws, that would be the Congress.

So, back to business as usual. Let's once again overturn Obamacare while suing the president for not enforcing all of its provisions, then wonder why Congress' approval rating is in the single digits.
 
our hyperpartisan duopoly system is not working. it's mostly about scoring points, and actual governance plays only a minimal role for the most part.
 
Are they the ones who keep passing bills they know won't ever become law just to make political points? If so, then, indeed ... wait... the president doesn't make laws, that would be the Congress.

So, back to business as usual. Let's once again overturn Obamacare while suing the president for not enforcing all of its provisions, then wonder why Congress' approval rating is in the single digits.

they are the ones that won't pass any bill unless they agree with it. harry reid has tabled over 300 bills from the house alone. IE won't even put them up for debate.
so yes they are to blame.

the house passed a bill it is up to the senate to take that bill and debate it. add or take away then send it back to the house.
 
our hyperpartisan duopoly system is not working. it's mostly about scoring points, and actual governance plays only a minimal role for the most part.

blame it on reid and obama. they refuse to pass or even allow any house bill to come to the floor to be voted on.
 
blame it on reid and obama. they refuse to pass or even allow any house bill to come to the floor to be voted on.

thanks for illustrating my point. everything is always the other team's fault.

some part of you does realize that it's not quite that monochromatic, right?
 
House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?

Thing is, it WOULD make his desk and he WOULD sign it if it were something closer to what had been proposed in the Senate, which had included a few billion not just for border security, but also for courts, for humane detention facilities, and for other infrastructure needed for the influx of these illegal immigrants (which are IMO refugees). The House bill pretty much only includes funding for increased border security and that's it...meaning that the women and children would still be forced to remain in inhumane conditions.

This is America - we're the richest nation on the planet, we're supposed to be exceptional, the shining city on the hill, but when women and children are coming to us fleeing violence and human trafficking, we can't even keep them in humane conditions before we fly them back? Something's wrong with that picture.
 
thanks for illustrating my point. everything is always the other team's fault.

some part of you does realize that it's not quite that monochromatic, right?

not when it is the truth. almost every bill that has come out of the house reid has tabled.
 
not when it is the truth. almost every bill that has come out of the house reid has tabled.

well, go team, then.
 
House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?

Let me help you with reality.... Congress did not pass a border bill. They passed nonsense (and looked foolish even trying to that, because the first proposed nonsense was not nonsensical enough for some people.)

It was not a serious attempt at governance, just as the 50+ times they voted to appeal the PPACA was serious goverance. Frankly, its just a joke it should not even have made the newspaper, unless you post dead bills in the obituaries. This is not a serious congress; this is not worthy of serious discussion.
 
House passes $694 million border bill - CNN.com

The message is contradictory - The President wants Congress to work and to pass a border bill. The bill that was passed on Friday however was not to his liking and he vows to veto it yet, by all indications it will never make it to his desk because the Senate was not available to receive the bill before it's five-week summer recess. The way government is supposed to work is the House bill be taken up by the Senate, changes are made and sent back to the House... that is done until a bill is compromised on and is sent to the President for signature into law. How can this process take place when one side is demonized, the other never takes up the bill and the President vows to veto it before it even gets to the Senate?

It can't there are over 200 house passed bills sitting in Harry Reid's top right hand drawer. 30 of them were sponsored and introduced by Democrats in the house. The senate has the power to add, delete, amend, change any house passed bill which is their job. But not Harry Reid's. The bottleneck, the obstruction to good government rest directly on Harry Reid's shoulder.

Here are a couple of links

Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/u...0140802&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=66488257&_r=0
 
they are the ones that won't pass any bill unless they agree with it. harry reid has tabled over 300 bills from the house alone. IE won't even put them up for debate.
so yes they are to blame.

the house passed a bill it is up to the senate to take that bill and debate it. add or take away then send it back to the house.

Right, and passing a bill just as Congress goes into recess and goes home to raise funds and campaign for yet another term in office, knowing that it will not even be considered at least until after Congress resumes, is just political posturing pure and simple.

And, it works. It casts the blame on the Democrats, so the Democrats have to leap and hoot and find ways to blame the Republicans, who then fling crap back at the Democrats, and meanwhile we get nothing to solve the border issues (yes, plural), the highway issue, Russia and its sabre rattling, the VA, the budget, or anything else.

So, sure, blame Obama and Reid. They're as much to blame as anyone else in Washington for the mess we're currently in. Soon, Obama will be out, and someone will take his place. Maybe Reid will be out as well, who knows? But the problems will continue.
 
Let me help you with reality.... Congress did not pass a border bill. They passed nonsense (and looked foolish even trying to that, because the first proposed nonsense was not nonsensical enough for some people.)

It was not a serious attempt at governance, just as the 50+ times they voted to appeal the PPACA was serious goverance. Frankly, its just a joke it should not even have made the newspaper, unless you post dead bills in the obituaries. This is not a serious congress; this is not worthy of serious discussion.

how was it not serious?

i provided money for NG support on the border to have BP control the flood.
it provided money to speed up the deportation process
it scaled back the 2008 bill to help speed up that process as well.

it did however limit obama in granting amnesty which is what he is attempting to do now.
as well as unconsitutionally change our immigration laws through executive fiat which he is not allowed to do.
 
Right, and passing a bill just as Congress goes into recess and goes home to raise funds and campaign for yet another term in office, knowing that it will not even be considered at least until after Congress resumes, is just political posturing pure and simple.

And, it works. It casts the blame on the Democrats, so the Democrats have to leap and hoot and find ways to blame the Republicans, who then fling crap back at the Democrats, and meanwhile we get nothing to solve the border issues (yes, plural), the highway issue, Russia and its sabre rattling, the VA, the budget, or anything else.

So, sure, blame Obama and Reid. They're as much to blame as anyone else in Washington for the mess we're currently in. Soon, Obama will be out, and someone will take his place. Maybe Reid will be out as well, who knows? But the problems will continue.

that isn't the houses fault. reid sets the schedule in the senate. if reid wanted to he could deem and emergancy vote in the senate to take up the bill and vote on it.

yet he won't so he must not be that serious.

yep i will blame those two morons. they couldn't govern their way out of a wet paper bag. they have no business being in charge of anything let alone this country.
 
It can't there are over 200 house passed bills sitting in Harry Reid's top right hand drawer. 30 of them were sponsored and introduced by Democrats in the house. The senate has the power to add, delete, amend, change any house passed bill which is their job. But not Harry Reid's. The bottleneck, the obstruction to good government rest directly on Harry Reid's shoulder.

Here are a couple of links

Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/u...0140802&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=66488257&_r=0

So unlike ACA, which you condemn for being partisan, you will argue that partisan bills should be passed (if they come from republicans)?
 
how was it not serious?

i provided money for NG support on the border to have BP control the flood.
it provided money to speed up the deportation process
it scaled back the 2008 bill to help speed up that process as well.

it did however limit obama in granting amnesty which is what he is attempting to do now.
as well as unconsitutionally change our immigration laws through executive fiat which he is not allowed to do.

And if we did try to speed up the deportations it would violate due process.

Or is that a small sacrifice?
 
It can't there are over 200 house passed bills sitting in Harry Reid's top right hand drawer. 30 of them were sponsored and introduced by Democrats in the house. The senate has the power to add, delete, amend, change any house passed bill which is their job. But not Harry Reid's. The bottleneck, the obstruction to good government rest directly on Harry Reid's shoulder.

Here are a couple of links

Election year a drag on productivity in Senate

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/02/u...0140802&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=66488257&_r=0

It would be more productive if you posted the actual text of the bills so we can see what is inside the bills?
 
The only money that needs to be thrown at our Southern Border problem (border in general) is supporting the National Guard as they militarize the border.
 
that isn't the houses fault. reid sets the schedule in the senate. if reid wanted to he could deem and emergancy vote in the senate to take up the bill and vote on it.

yet he won't so he must not be that serious.

yep i will blame those two morons. they couldn't govern their way out of a wet paper bag. they have no business being in charge of anything let alone this country.
If by the "two morons" you mean the Republican Party and the Democrat Party, I totally agree.
 
But the bill hasn't gone to the president and never will. It's simply another bit of political gamesmanship.

Like crying on TV about the Republicans not passing a bill to help the current immigration problem and then complaining when they do? Or passing laws in the Senate that without any input or amendments from Republicans that Reid and Obama know could never pass the House and then calling the Republicans names? Or the Democrat leader of the Senate tabling over 350 bills passed by the House because he doesn't want to even have a debate on the Senate floor, and yet saying the Republicans in the House have failed to pass one jobs bill, or any other type of bill?

Political gamesmanship is a charge that can be levied against them all, and this case, less for the Republicans than the Democrats because they made the charge right before the recess and then when they saw the House was going to vote on a bill they ran like hell from DC so they didn't have to even act like they were going to negotiate and try to do anything themselves. Yet, the media eats up the "We should blame the Republicans" no matter what the truth actually is.
 
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