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Is Fracking Causing the Oklahoma Earthquakes?

joG said:
You don't have to understand hydraulic fracturing to whip ass and reading books doesn't help either. ;)
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But don't whip sokeones ass out of ignorance. ;)
 
Raven1 said:
Come closer. I can't hear you from there.

Seriously though, I do know what I speak of and have friends in geological engineering. They all know what's up. It is you who is uninformed.

Millions of gallons of water.
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Obviously neither you, nor your friends understand how fracking works.
 
apdst said:
Obviously neither you, nor your friends understand how fracking works.
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Fine. Then you are right here, right now, and now you can explain how it works to all of us. Go...
 
apdst said:
Facts on the hydraulic fracturing process | ExxonMobil's Perspectives Blog
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I mean, come on. Do you expect Exxon-Mobil to tell us the truth about fracking? I didn't even bother to click on your link. It's like asking Coca-Cola if Monsanto is doing a good job with all of their GMO forced seeds of corn upon American farmers. Monsanto will tell you how good their seeds are, and Coca-Cola will tell about all the people they've made happy in other countries.

Did you seriously try to link me to Exxon-Mobil to explain the virtues of fracking?
 
apdst said:
I back up what I say with evidence.
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Well... tick tock... the clock don't stop. I'm waiting. Where is this evidence you speak of?

Millions of gallons of water.
 
Raven1 said:
I mean, come on. Do you expect Exxon-Mobil to tell us the truth about fracking? I didn't even bother to click on your link. It's like asking Coca-Cola if Monsanto is doing a good job with all of their GMO forced seeds of corn upon American farmers. Monsanto will tell you how good their seeds are, and Coca-Cola will tell about all the people they've made happy in other countries.

Did you seriously try to link me to Exxon-Mobil to explain the virtues of fracking?
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Well...its nearly impossible to talk to someone who is convinced that fracking causes earthquakes.
 
joG said:
'Happens all the time.
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All of the time? See, you can't even get your own myths in order, much less you try to direct it my way. That was what you were insinuating, yes?
 
apdst said:
Well...its nearly impossible to talk to someone who is convinced that fracking causes earthquakes.
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And yet there are record numbers of earthquakes in Oklahoma. Oklahoma! Of all places! Oklahoma, where fracking is rampant.
 
apdst said:
Obviously neither you, nor your friends understand how fracking works.
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Me thinks that you have been bested, since you provided nothing but a link to Exxon-Mobil. I clearly gave you chance after chance, and all you could say is... nothing.

EDIT: Millions of gallons of water.
 
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Raven1 said:
Well... tick tock... the clock don't stop. I'm waiting. Where is this evidence you speak of?

Millions of gallons of water.
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I have heard of a trick where an artificial lake of water gets poured to be frozen like a hockey rink, build the rig, and when the summer melts the ice effectively all of the evidence (other than the rig itself) is gone.

Could that count?

When I talked to the geologist, I put his feet to the fire on the fracking because I hear about all this destroyed farmland and aquifers, etc...

He told me that it boils down to aquifers that might have been tainted before, and many of the cases an environmental analysis is performed in spite of landowners (if they knew the person would cause problems). Don't just trust that the water comes from the ground that it is pure.

I wish I knew more myself ... I'm just repeating.
 
Raven1 said:
Me thinks that you have been bested, since you provided nothing but a link to Exxon-Mobil. I clearly gave you chance after chance, and all you could say is... nothing.

EDIT: Millions of gallons of water.
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If you think fracking is drilling, then you certainly need to educate yourself.
 
You can't have a rational discussion with enviro-whackos. Not on climate change, not on fracking, not on anything. They seem to consider human beings to be parasites on the planet. Makes you wonder why they don't do their part to free the planet of parasites by taking themselves out of the gene pool.
 
Papa bull said:
You can't have a rational discussion with enviro-whackos. Not on climate change, not on fracking, not on anything. They seem to consider human beings to be parasites on the planet. Makes you wonder why they don't do their part to free the planet of parasites by taking themselves out of the gene pool.
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Screw you. I'm no enviro-whako. I know what it takes to frack for oil, and the cost is water, millions of gallons worth. That means something in economical terms. What do you think it means?
 
Papa bull said:
You can't have a rational discussion with enviro-whackos. Not on climate change, not on fracking, not on anything. They seem to consider human beings to be parasites on the planet. Makes you wonder why they don't do their part to free the planet of parasites by taking themselves out of the gene pool.
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Eco-nazis are going to dream up whatever lie sounds good and run with it.
 
apdst said:
I drilled commercial water wells in Irion, Reagan and Crockett counties. It's illegal to produce a commercial in the public water zone, which is the top water zone. We would set steel casing--9 5/8"--from the surface, past the water zone and then drill into the lower zones. The lower zones aren't fit for human consumption, anyway.

In Loving County, we drilled into the Santa Rosa acquifer, which is straight salt water. Its not as apocolyptic as you make out.
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this is not about contaminating water sources...it is the amount of water needed for the fracking process. Not every drill site has a brackish water source to use. Even the Santa Rosa aquifer is being considered for desalination for west Texas water use.

If you don't know Texas has state-wide water problems, then you did not spend all that much time here. It's not apocalyptic, but commodities are gonna be a whole lot more expensive.

Fracking is just one concern, but ignoring it is asinine.
 
Papa bull said:
You can't have a rational discussion with enviro-whackos. Not on climate change, not on fracking, not on anything. They seem to consider human beings to be parasites on the planet. Makes you wonder why they don't do their part to free the planet of parasites by taking themselves out of the gene pool.
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You know why I'm a wacko, cause I want clean water to drink...I'm wacko that way.
 
Papa bull said:
You can't have a rational discussion with enviro-whackos. Not on climate change, not on fracking, not on anything. They seem to consider human beings to be parasites on the planet. Makes you wonder why they don't do their part to free the planet of parasites by taking themselves out of the gene pool.
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Would you like to have a sit down rational discussion while you and others call me whacko and insinuate what you think I don't know, when I know better than that? Fracking is causing earthquakes in Oklahoma! Oklahoma, where there have not been earthquakes and no threat for years. Yes, I know my geology. The best threat from earthquakes close to Oklahoma is in Arkansas.

Yes, these new occurrences are from fracking. And yes, they eat up millions of gallons of water. I don't understand how you think this is funny in some way or that I am joking. I pay for water, and I do not wish to see water used as an external cost, paid by you and I, in order for them to keep fracking and causing earthquakes. Is that funny to you?
 
Raven1 said:
Would you like to have a sit down rational discussion while you and others call me whacko and insinuate what you think I don't know, when I know better than that? Fracking is causing earthquakes in Oklahoma! Oklahoma, where there have not been earthquakes and no threat for years. Yes, I know my geology. The best threat from earthquakes close to Oklahoma is in Arkansas.

Yes, these new occurrences are from fracking. And yes, they eat up millions of gallons of water. I don't understand how you think this is funny in some way or that I am joking. I pay for water, and I do not wish to see water used as an external cost, paid by you and I, in order for them to keep fracking and causing earthquakes. Is that funny to you?
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Earthquakes are caused by the shifting of tectonic plates. What's funny to me is to hear someone loudly proclaiming that they know their geology while shrieking that fracking makes tectonic plates shift.

To date, there is no scientific certainty about any connection between fracking and oil wells. But that doesn't keep those that are unscientific from making unscientific absolute statements with the certainty that comes from ignorance.
 
1750Texan said:
this is not about contaminating water sources...it is the amount of water needed for the fracking process. Not every drill site has a brackish water source to use. Even the Santa Rosa aquifer is being considered for desalination for west Texas water use.

If you don't know Texas has state-wide water problems, then you did not spend all that much time here. It's not apocalyptic, but commodities are gonna be a whole lot more expensive.

Fracking is just one concern, but ignoring it is asinine.
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Blocking off the upper water zone has nothing to do with preventing contamination; it was about commercial wells not producing water from the top water zone in an attempt to conserve that zone for public use. Read my posts more carefully.
 
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