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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I don't know anything about the institutionalized rape thing... haven't heard about that. But the whole middle east is awash in screwing over women with genital mutilation and severe oppression unlike anywhere else and women generally had it better in Iraq than their neighbors.

the slaughters/genocides... I recall the them where it was pretty much due to self preservation after the gulf war where we obliterated his defenses and there was an uprising to take him down. Not an excuse for what he did but just a realization of what was going on.

Saddam was our bitch... a bitch which we encouraged to invade Iran.

He was a heavy handed dictator so torture seems to come with that territory. Idi Amin anyone?

Ask him to provide you with the list of atrocities committed by right wing dictators we installed in Latin America after toppling left wing democracies. These guys have selective memories.
 
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Iraq began its downward slide when Obama removed the troops. He felt that Iraq was stable and could look after itself. This was one of the greatest international political errors since Chamberlain claimed 'we have peace in our time'.

No, Iraq began its downward slide when the US State Department interrupted the AIEA and ordered them out.
 
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It's astounding how little understanding some people have of Saddam Hussein now that the history of the region is being rewritten. Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Selective memory. Just one in a very long list of right wing dictators the US installed by force to replace left leaning democracies. Your defense of this **** is filthy!


Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte, more commonly known as Augusto Pinochet (Spanish pronunciation: [auˈɣusto pinoˈtʃet];[note 1] 25 November 1915 – 10 December 2006), was dictator of Chile between 1973 and 1990 and Commander-in-Chief (Comandante en Jefe) of the Chilean Army from 1973 to 1998. He was also president of the Government Junta of Chile between 1973 and 1981.[2]

Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a U.S.-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of President Salvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.[3] Pinochet had been promoted to Commander-in-Chief of the Army by Allende on 23 August 1973, having been its General Chief of Staff since early 1972.[4] In December 1974, the ruling military junta appointed Pinochet President of Chile by joint decree, although not with the support of one of the coup's instigators, Air Force General Gustavo Leigh.[5]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_of_authoritarian_regimes
 
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Dictator appeaser.

US Government has appeased dictators forever, including Saddam Hussein until he decided he had a better idea for his oil.

Over the last century, the United States government has often provided, and continues to provide today, financial assistance, arms, and technical support to numerous authoritarian regimes across the world. A variety of reasons have been provided to justify the apparent contradictions between support for dictators and the democratic ideals expressed in the American constitution.[1]

Latin America

Porfirio Díaz (Mexico) (1876–1911)[10]
Institutional Revolutionary Party (Mexico) (1929–2000)[11]
Juan Vicente Gómez (Venezuela) (1908–35)[12]
Manuel Estrada Cabrera (Guatemala) (1898–1920)[13]
Jorge Ubico (Guatemala) (1931–44)[13]
Fulgencio Batista (Cuba) (1952–59)[14]
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic) (1930–61)[15]
Efraín Ríos Montt and the rest of the military junta in Guatemala (1954-86)[16][17]
Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador (1979–82)[18]
Hugo Banzer (Bolivia) (1971–78, 1997–2001)[19]
National Reorganization Process (Argentina) (1976–83)[20]
Brazilian military government (1964–85)[21]
Somoza family (Nicaragua) (1936–79)[22]
François Duvalier (Haiti) (1957–71)[23]
Jean-Claude Duvalier (Haiti) (1971–86)[23]
Omar Torrijos (Panama) (1968–81)[24]
Manuel Noriega (Panama) (1983–89)[24]
Alfredo Stroessner (Paraguay) (1954–89)[25]
Augusto Pinochet (Chile) (1973–90)[26]
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Why wouldn't it?
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Then why have we installed so many Hussein's in the world?

Hey, don't ask me, I voted for Romney. Not that he would have been much better, but he couldn't be this bad.
 
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Hey, don't ask me, I voted for Romney. Not that he would have been much better, but he couldn't be this bad.

Too funny!
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Too funny!

Too funny? How could Romney possible be worse?

In fact more Americans have now come to realize that Romney would have made a better President, but it's too late for that now.
 
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Too funny? How could Romney possible be worse?

In fact more Americans have now come to realize that Romney would have made a better President, but it's too late for that now.

Obviously you haven't the historic perspective between Tony and I or you would have thought it funny as well.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

US Government has appeased dictators forever, including Saddam Hussein until he decided he had a better idea for his oil.

Over the last century, the United States government has often provided, and continues to provide today, financial assistance, arms, and technical support to numerous authoritarian regimes across the world. A variety of reasons have been provided to justify the apparent contradictions between support for dictators and the democratic ideals expressed in the American constitution.[1]

Latin America

Porfirio Díaz (Mexico) (1876–1911)[10]
Institutional Revolutionary Party (Mexico) (1929–2000)[11]
Juan Vicente Gómez (Venezuela) (1908–35)[12]
Manuel Estrada Cabrera (Guatemala) (1898–1920)[13]
Jorge Ubico (Guatemala) (1931–44)[13]
Fulgencio Batista (Cuba) (1952–59)[14]
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic) (1930–61)[15]
Efraín Ríos Montt and the rest of the military junta in Guatemala (1954-86)[16][17]
Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador (1979–82)[18]
Hugo Banzer (Bolivia) (1971–78, 1997–2001)[19]
National Reorganization Process (Argentina) (1976–83)[20]
Brazilian military government (1964–85)[21]
Somoza family (Nicaragua) (1936–79)[22]
François Duvalier (Haiti) (1957–71)[23]
Jean-Claude Duvalier (Haiti) (1971–86)[23]
Omar Torrijos (Panama) (1968–81)[24]
Manuel Noriega (Panama) (1983–89)[24]
Alfredo Stroessner (Paraguay) (1954–89)[25]
Augusto Pinochet (Chile) (1973–90)[26]

So because of this, you support dictators. Got it.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

US Government has appeased dictators forever, including Saddam Hussein until he decided he had a better idea for his oil.

Over the last century, the United States government has often provided, and continues to provide today, financial assistance, arms, and technical support to numerous authoritarian regimes across the world. A variety of reasons have been provided to justify the apparent contradictions between support for dictators and the democratic ideals expressed in the American constitution.[1]

Latin America

Porfirio Díaz (Mexico) (1876–1911)[10]
Institutional Revolutionary Party (Mexico) (1929–2000)[11]
Juan Vicente Gómez (Venezuela) (1908–35)[12]
Manuel Estrada Cabrera (Guatemala) (1898–1920)[13]
Jorge Ubico (Guatemala) (1931–44)[13]
Fulgencio Batista (Cuba) (1952–59)[14]
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic) (1930–61)[15]
Efraín Ríos Montt and the rest of the military junta in Guatemala (1954-86)[16][17]
Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador (1979–82)[18]
Hugo Banzer (Bolivia) (1971–78, 1997–2001)[19]
National Reorganization Process (Argentina) (1976–83)[20]
Brazilian military government (1964–85)[21]
Somoza family (Nicaragua) (1936–79)[22]
François Duvalier (Haiti) (1957–71)[23]
Jean-Claude Duvalier (Haiti) (1971–86)[23]
Omar Torrijos (Panama) (1968–81)[24]
Manuel Noriega (Panama) (1983–89)[24]
Alfredo Stroessner (Paraguay) (1954–89)[25]
Augusto Pinochet (Chile) (1973–90)[26]
You obviously haven't examined the reality behind this cut and paste or you would never have posted it.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

You obviously haven't examined the reality behind this cut and paste or you would never have posted it.

And what's it called when you provide a link? You've been confused from day one on US interference in Latin America. And you think that because you sell dream vacations out of CR, you've got some expertise in Latin American/US relations, lol. Stop wasting time.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

And what's it called when you provide a link? You've been confused from day one on US interference in Latin America. And you think that because you sell dream vacations out of CR, you've got some expertise in Latin American/US relations, lol. Stop wasting time.

I've spent much of the last 20 years in Latin America, speak Spanish, and know the people well. You know nothing, and it shows.
 
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I've spent much of the last 20 years in Latin America, speak Spanish, and know the people well. You know nothing, and it shows.

You're a Canadian....................nuff said. Btw, did you notice that Bill Clinton could have killed OBL, but resisted the opportunity to spare 300 civilians?
 
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You're a Canadian....................nuff said. Btw, did you notice that Bill Clinton could have killed OBL, but resisted the opportunity to spare 300 civilians?

Yeah, and over 3000 people were killed later and many more in the response to the attack. We know.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Yeah, and over 3000 people were killed later and many more in the response to the attack. We know.

Progressive compassion never extends to our own...Blame it on complete dumb asses like Noam Chomsky, and Ward Churchill are allowed to teach our kids.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Progressive compassion never extends to our own...Blame it on complete dumb asses like Noam Chomsky, and Ward Churchill are allowed to teach our kids.

Because Bill Clinton could tell the future .

Your hackery knows no limits.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Because Bill Clinton could tell the future .

Your hackery knows no limits.

Well, that's the problem Kobie, progressives like you and Clinton never consider the consequences of their inaction/action and how it will effect the future. They only look for the feel good excuse of the moment.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Because Bill Clinton could tell the future .

Your hackery knows no limits.

Do you think then it was a failure of imagination on Clinton's part (really everyone in government at that time but, I guess the ball has to stop somewhere). I mean, Bin Laden had already attacked the US and it's interests multiple times, and had spoken of killing many more Americans. Perhaps it was naivety instead, to assume that it wouldn't ever happened?
 
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Well, that's the problem Kobie, progressives like you and Clinton never consider the consequences of their inaction/action and how it will effect the future. They only look for the feel good excuse of the moment.

"Progressives like me," eh?

I wonder if your sainted George W. Bush had considered the consequences of leaving a giant sucking power vacuum in the middle east, he would have done the same thing. I guess he was just looking for the feel-good excuse.

Oh, that's right. You hacks have absolved yourself of all of his sins (that you HAPPILY voted for), only to scream "progressive" (as if that's an insult) at anyone who disagrees with you. Get bent.
 
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"Progressives like me," eh?

I wonder if your sainted George W. Bush had considered the consequences of leaving a giant sucking power vacuum in the middle east, he would have done the same thing. I guess he was just looking for the feel-good excuse.

Oh, that's right. You hacks have absolved yourself of all of his sins (that you HAPPILY voted for), only to scream "progressive" (as if that's an insult) at anyone who disagrees with you. Get bent.

Awwww, don't go away mad Kobie, just go away....:lol:
 
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Awwww, don't go away mad Kobie, just go away....:lol:

You're no different than the rest. You have no interest in having reasonable, honest discussion. You just want to flame liberals and barf up GOP talking points.

Go to hell.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

You're no different than the rest. You have no interest in having reasonable, honest discussion. You just want to flame liberals and barf up GOP talking points.

Go to hell.


:lamo Not at all friend....Anyway...Gotta go to work...Hope you have a nice day....:lamo
 
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