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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Grant said:
You didn't offer a comparison. But if you are saying that the Middle East was more stable when George Bush was President, i would concur.
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Yes the situation is even worse, having now removed in addition to Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and the attempts to remove president Assad.

The lightning-fast march of a violent al-Qaeda splinter group through the heart of Iraq is not just one new slice of bad news from the Middle East. It is a defining moment that exposes more than a decade of failed U.S. policy and leaves the Obama administration with deeply disquieting choices.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...bama-bush-malaki-editorials-debates/10408671/

If a single action accelerated the sectarian conflicts in the Middle East, it was the decision of the George W. Bush administration to topple Saddam Hussein’s regime, dismantle all structures in which Sunnis had power and then hand over the Iraqi state to Shiite religious parties.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...9c2424-7ef1-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html
 
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This is what rational Americans realize.

Just consider our situation in Iraq. As evil as Saddam Hussein was, he posed less of a threat to us than the Iran aligned regime we put in power. There is more violence in Iraq than ever before, and the Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting for centuries. The infrastructure is not as good now as it was under Saddam, and Saddam protected the Christians. After removing Hussein from power, we allowed the country to be looted, churches burned and Christians exiled.

http://www.albanyherald.com/news/2014/mar/14/bennie-gaskins-recent-us-foreign-policy-fails-in/
 
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Montecresto said:
For Pete's sake, such hyperbole. You think Bill and I are just fine with the loss of American lives. That's it j wins the debate. Lazy!! Decades of support of militant Islamic groups is the problem. Do you want to point out that 4,500 lost American lives was just fine for Bush, so he could kill the man that threatened his daddy?
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How does one get so misguided as you? Schools? Young age?
 
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Montecresto said:
This is what rational Americans realize.

Just consider our situation in Iraq. As evil as Saddam Hussein was, he posed less of a threat to us than the Iran aligned regime we put in power. There is more violence in Iraq than ever before, and the Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting for centuries. The infrastructure is not as good now as it was under Saddam, and Saddam protected the Christians. After removing Hussein from power, we allowed the country to be looted, churches burned and Christians exiled.

BENNIE GASKINS: Recent U.S. foreign policy fails in Middle East | Albany Herald
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Apologizing for a twice genocidal dictator that institutionalized rape.
 
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ecofarm said:
Apologizing for a twice genocidal dictator that institutionalized rape.
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Apologizing for him? Nobody is saying that Saddam Hussein was a good guy.
 
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Kobie said:
Apologizing for him? Nobody is saying that Saddam Hussein was a good guy.
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Claiming the country was better with a genocidal dictator that institutionalized rape is inhuman.
 
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Montecresto said:
No, it doesn't remain to be seen, but certainly US interference in the ME has strengthened militant Islamists. I've only been saying that forever.
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Yes, it does, since it's in the future. I don't think it has strengthened them, we've be there for decades, and will continue to be there as long as they have oil.
 
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Montecresto said:
This is what rational Americans realize.

Just consider our situation in Iraq. As evil as Saddam Hussein was, he posed less of a threat to us than the Iran aligned regime we put in power. There is more violence in Iraq than ever before, and the Sunnis and Shiites have been fighting for centuries. The infrastructure is not as good now as it was under Saddam, and Saddam protected the Christians. After removing Hussein from power, we allowed the country to be looted, churches burned and Christians exiled.

BENNIE GASKINS: Recent U.S. foreign policy fails in Middle East | Albany Herald
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It's never a bad thing to get rid of a Hussein. They prove to be very destructive and inflict pain on the world, especially their own countries.
 
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ecofarm said:
Claiming the country was better with a genocidal dictator that institutionalized rape is inhuman.
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better than what?
 
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poweRob said:
better than what?
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Better than fledgling democracy with human rights and desperately re-growing the social capital (critical free thinking professionals) that Saddam obliterated.
 
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ecofarm said:
Better than fledgling democracy with human rights and desperately re-growing the social capital (critical free thinking professionals) that Saddam obliterated.
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Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad? Iraq was about the only place where women could go to school in the middle east. I think the other countries in that region were far worse than his. Not that I endorse that dick... but he was better than the Taliban countries and Saudi Arabia for sure. Don't know much about the country now but in-fighting under a dictator is usually suppressed rather quickly at least providing a modicum of stability in a ****ty country.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Yeah, Clinton could have offed Osama, yet he chose not to. The real truth is we could have killed his evil ads numerous times, however we chose not to.

I think the most ironic thing about Osama is that we helped his pun ads during the Afghan/Soviet war and he attacks us? If it wasn't go the US and our aid - him and his little gang would have been slaughtered in the 80's by the Soviets.
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And the Soviet expansion would have continued into the ME. Why do you think they invested so much into Afghanistan?
 
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poweRob said:
Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad?
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Genocide, twice... 200k and 50k
Institutionalized rape
Intentional starvation... 400k
17 unscrs violated
Fake wmd program
Invaded neighbors, twice... the war with Iran costing 500k Iraqis
Countless mass killings
Countless tortured to death
 
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ecofarm said:
Genocide, twice... 200k and 50k
Institutionalized rape
Intentional starvation... 400k
17 unscrs violated
Fake wmd program
Invaded neighbors, twice... the war with Iran costing 500k Iraqis
Countless mass killings
Countless tortured to death
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I don't know anything about the institutionalized rape thing... haven't heard about that. But the whole middle east is awash in screwing over women with genital mutilation and severe oppression unlike anywhere else and women generally had it better in Iraq than their neighbors.

the slaughters/genocides... I recall the them where it was pretty much due to self preservation after the gulf war where we obliterated his defenses and there was an uprising to take him down. Not an excuse for what he did but just a realization of what was going on.

Saddam was our bitch... a bitch which we encouraged to invade Iran.

He was a heavy handed dictator so torture seems to come with that territory. Idi Amin anyone?
 
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poweRob said:
I don't know anything about the institutionalized rape thing... haven't heard about that.
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Under Saddam, women were sentenced, in court, to gang rape to be carried out by his cronies (generally for "false" claims of rape). He also permitted his sons and other officials to kidnap and rape young women at will, they were passed down the ranks and then killed. You never heard of his rape palaces?

the slaughters/genocides... I recall the them where it was pretty much due to self preservation after the gulf war where we obliterated his defenses and there was an uprising to take him down.
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The Marsh Arabs were in no position to 'take him down'. They rebelled. He drained their land, destroying the marshland and killing 50k. The genocide against the Kurds (200k) was in the late '80s.

Saddam was our bitch... a bitch which we encouraged to invade Iran.
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I don't do female pejoratives. Good day.
 
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ecofarm said:
Under Saddam, women were sentenced, in court, to gang rape to be carried out by his cronies (generally for "false" claims of rape). He also permitted his sons and other officials to kidnap and rape young women at will, they were passed down the ranks and then killed. You never heard of his rape palaces?
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no. I have heard about the other countries where mercy killings were pretty much socially welcomed... where the woman gets raped then a family member kills her because the family is shamed at her being raped... all while the rapist is a-ok and left to his devices... or vices as it were.
 
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Montecresto said:
Yes the situation is even worse, having now removed in addition to Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and the attempts to remove president Assad.

The lightning-fast march of a violent al-Qaeda splinter group through the heart of Iraq is not just one new slice of bad news from the Middle East. It is a defining moment that exposes more than a decade of failed U.S. policy and leaves the Obama administration with deeply disquieting choices.

Iraq exposes failed U.S. policy: Our view


If a single action accelerated the sectarian conflicts in the Middle East, it was the decision of the George W. Bush administration to topple Saddam Hussein’s regime, dismantle all structures in which Sunnis had power and then hand over the Iraqi state to Shiite religious parties.

Fareed Zakaria: U.S. fuel to the Middle East fire - The Washington Post
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Iraq began its downward slide when Obama removed the troops. He felt that Iraq was stable and could look after itself. This was one of the greatest international political errors since Chamberlain claimed 'we have peace in our time'.
 
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poweRob said:
Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad? Iraq was about the only place where women could go to school in the middle east. I think the other countries in that region were far worse than his. Not that I endorse that dick... but he was better than the Taliban countries and Saudi Arabia for sure. Don't know much about the country now but in-fighting under a dictator is usually suppressed rather quickly at least providing a modicum of stability in a ****ty country.
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It's astounding how little understanding some people have of Saddam Hussein now that the history of the region is being rewritten. Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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poweRob said:
I don't know anything about the institutionalized rape thing... haven't heard about that. But the whole middle east is awash in screwing over women with genital mutilation and severe oppression unlike anywhere else and women generally had it better in Iraq than their neighbors.

the slaughters/genocides... I recall the them where it was pretty much due to self preservation after the gulf war where we obliterated his defenses and there was an uprising to take him down. Not an excuse for what he did but just a realization of what was going on.

Saddam was our bitch... a bitch which we encouraged to invade Iran.

He was a heavy handed dictator so torture seems to come with that territory. Idi Amin anyone?
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You didn't know about the institutionalized rape? And you blame the US for the war between Iran and Iraq?

What are they teaching you in your school?
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

poweRob said:
Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad? Iraq was about the only place where women could go to school in the middle east. I think the other countries in that region were far worse than his. Not that I endorse that dick... but he was better than the Taliban countries and Saudi Arabia for sure. Don't know much about the country now but in-fighting under a dictator is usually suppressed rather quickly at least providing a modicum of stability in a ****ty country.
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Dictator appeaser.
 
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j-mac said:
How does one get so misguided as you? Schools? Young age?
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American schools and young age is responsible for the patronizing that sets presidents on a pedestal. It's what has you folks following guys like Bush into unjustified wars.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

poweRob said:
Dictators tend to become heavy handed but as far as heavy handed dictators... you think Saddam was that bad? Iraq was about the only place where women could go to school in the middle east. I think the other countries in that region were far worse than his. Not that I endorse that dick... but he was better than the Taliban countries and Saudi Arabia for sure. Don't know much about the country now but in-fighting under a dictator is usually suppressed rather quickly at least providing a modicum of stability in a ****ty country.
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It doesn't matter. The Bush folly must be defended at the expense of embarrassment.
 
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ecofarm said:
Apologizing for a twice genocidal dictator that institutionalized rape.
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Mis characterization, criticizing failed foreign policy.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Anthony60 said:
Yes, it does, since it's in the future. I don't think it has strengthened them, we've be there for decades, and will continue to be there as long as they have oil.
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Thanks for acknowledging what your buddy's have been denying forever.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Anthony60 said:
It's never a bad thing to get rid of a Hussein. They prove to be very destructive and inflict pain on the world, especially their own countries.
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Then why have we installed so many Hussein's in the world?
 
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