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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I am not certain what incidence Clinton is specifically describing in that speech. But I know he was offered more chances than that to end UBL, and passed on all of them.

As for 300 innocent people...... I am..... doubtful.


Mornin' CPW. :2wave: That's Right.....like 10 times that he could have pulled the trigger on OBL. Plus don't forget this was after finding out AQ was responsible for the Attack on the USS Cole.


According to Michael Scheuer, Clinton’s administration had “about 10 chances” to kill Bin Laden in 1998 and 1999 and passed on all of them because the intelligence supposedly wasn’t good enough. I’d also like to know more specifics of what Clinton says here about his best shot at OBL.

Is he thinking, perhaps, of … Tarnak Farms? Tarnak Farms was located near Kandahar but it wasn’t a “little town.” It was Bin Laden’s training camp for terrorists. There may have been women and children there, but you could have cut a swath through AQ by bombing it at the time. In fact, the CIA might have had Osama himself onscreen from drone surveillance in 2000; drones weren’t equipped with missiles at the time, but an airstrike could have been called in.

Clinton says at one point that, had he bombed Bin Laden with civilians around him, “I would have been no better than him.” Does he still feel that way? Does he think Obama is no better than Al Qaeda for trying to neutralize threats from terrorists who take civilians as their main targets? Does Hillary think that? It’s 3 a.m. and the phone is ringing.....snip~

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/07/...-called-it-off-because-of-civilian-casualties
Noah Rothman writes over at Hot Air.
 
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Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

So Bill Clinton was also the President of NATO?
I would be willing to bet that Clinton knew exactly what was happening. NATO is under our control and I have no problem at all with the decision to do so.
 
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No, they have fewer and more accurately placed missiles which results in fewer civilians in harms way. You obviously don't know how drones work.

The Hellfire missile has been in operation since 1984. It's the same missile Obama uses now.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I would be willing to bet that Clinton knew exactly what was happening. NATO is under our control and I have no problem at all with the decision to do so.


Mornin' Jack. :2wave: He did. Make no mistake about that.

Although.....its what else was going on with the D.O. and the CIA. From the NY Times.....do you think the left will still be all touchy feely and in need of emotional rescue after one of their own brought out even more trouble Bilbo had that led to Bush having the same problem?


C.I.A. Unit on bin Laden Is Understaffed, a Senior Official Tells Lawmakers
September 15, 2004 <<<<< !

Mr. Scheuer, a 22-year veteran of the C.I.A., served as the first chief of the agency's bin Laden unit from 1996 until 1999.

This year, with the publication of his book, "Imperial Hubris," which he wrote under the name Anonymous, Mr. Scheuer has become the C.I.A.'s leading in-house critic. After he granted news media interviews following the book's publication, the C.I.A. curbed his access to the press. He initially wrote the latest letter in May as an op-ed article. The C.I.A. refused to clear it for publication, but allowed him to send it as a letter to the Congressional oversight committees.

In the letter, Mr. Scheuer provides a number of new details about the history of the C.I.A.'s counterterrorism operations before Sept. 11. For example, he said that the C.I.A.'s bin Laden unit was ordered to be disbanded in the spring of 1998, and that its operations were about to be folded into a small branch office when the C.I.A. director, George J. Tenet, found out about the proposed move. Mr. Tenet reversed the decision just before the August 1998 attacks on two American embassies in East Africa by Al Qaeda. Mr. Scheuer also said that in 1996, the C.I.A.'s bin Laden unit obtained detailed information about Al Qaeda's efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. He said that an intelligence report on the matter was initially suppressed within the C.I.A., and was later distributed in an abbreviated form.

"Three officers of the agency's bin Laden cadre protested this decision in writing, and forced an internal review," Mr. Scheuer wrote. "It was only after this review that this report was provided in full to community leaders, analysts and policy makers.".....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/15/politics/15cia.html?pagewanted=print&position=&_r=1&


Its always the children and women that brings out their so called best. :roll:
 
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Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

It's hard to say now what could have happened. Maybe it could have prevented 9/11 or maybe it would have fueled the fire more. We can play 'what if' and go back and forth all day but it doesn't change anything. It is strange though that such a wanted man could be let go time and time again, I wonder how much his prominent Saudi family had to do with that, I know they disowned him and all but you never know.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

It's hard to say now what could have happened. Maybe it could have prevented 9/11 or maybe it would have fueled the fire more. We can play 'what if' and go back and forth all day but it doesn't change anything. It is strange though that such a wanted man could be let go time and time again, I wonder how much his prominent Saudi family had to do with that, I know they disowned him and all but you never know.

Mornin AW.
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Indeed.....and for years now all have been trying to find out about all that Money Bilbo receives from the Saud to his Global Initiative Ponzi scheme.

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I will bet Prince Bandar checked for his wallet after that hug. :2razz:
 
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Clinton was just so opposed to harming innocents that he bombed Iraq on Dec 17, 1998, killing an estimated 2000 people. The reason? Clinton claimed Saddam had WMD!
The bombing also coincided with the impeachment hearings against him, and wouldn't you know, the bombings stopped the same day he was impeached. But of course he wouldn't risk killing those 300 in Kandahar right?
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I can understand Clinton's decision not to go forward with a missile strike to kill OBL our over concern for collateral damage and the possibility of world-wide political backlash. I also agreed with Pres. Obama initial decision to use targeted/surgical drone strikes to go after AQ targets. I'm re-evaluating my opinion about the policy now for various reasons.
"Concern"...its apparently a wonderfully 'relative' word.

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Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

The Hellfire missile has been in operation since 1984. It's the same missile Obama uses now.

Thanks for the info but what does that have to do with launches from drone platforms?
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Yeah, and I could've been a contender, too.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Thanks for the info but what does that have to do with launches from drone platforms?

I think he is wondering how drones work. As in, why would Hellfire missiles on a drone be so precise compared to the ones on a manned platform?
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Thanks for the info but what does that have to do with launches from drone platforms?

The casualties are a product of the warhead, not the launch platform.

But then even the tomahawk, Clinton's favorite, with a much larger warhead wouldn't kill 300 "women and children" unless they were packed in the target building like sardines.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

That maniac Koresh set that fire himself. He also shot and killed Federal officers.

Hmmmm... while that first part is true, that second part doesn't seem to differentiate him from bin Laden as much as you think.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

While I can understand why he didn't at the time, I doubt if knowing now what he did then if he'd pass up the opportunity.

Well, that's the point. It's quite reasonable to look at a town of 300 innocent people and decline the operation, as he pointed out, otherwise he's no better than OBL.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I think he is wondering how drones work. As in, why would Hellfire missiles on a drone be so precise compared to the ones on a manned platform?

In a word..Time. Drones have the ability to spend days on a target before deciding whether to fire on it.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

It doesn't matter. At the time, Bin Laden was the head of the organization that attacked us on 9/11. You can't really say what the effect that would of had on the organization in terms of morale, if the top guy is taken out.

Right, he's been gone a long time and they're stronger than ever! Have a look around.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

How many people that defend Clintons decision to not risk hurting civilians also defend Obama's decision to use drones to take out possible terror targets?

The drone program is unethical at least and criminal at worst.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Are you saying that Clinton shouldn't get any credit for blowing up the Chinese Embassy ?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the CIA who blew up the aspirin factory and used a Shell gas station road map to blow up the Chinese Embassy ?

Well now we know that the embassy was deliberately targeted on the charge that they were aiding Milosevic.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Who's to say 300 people would have died? What waa he going to do, carpet bomb the place?

Let us know if you think those 300 terrorists and terrorist supporters were worth 3,000 Americans.

Bill Clinton specifically said they were women and children. Not that that concerns you I suppose.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

I do. The Sudanese offered him to us on a platter, and there was at least one other opportunity offered as well, both of which were turned down.



Nah. I'm not arrogant enough :lol: Nor am I willing to work in the NCR if I can avoid it at all. I'm on the military side of the community.

Decades of support for militant Islamists.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

If Clinton had drones available he would have ordered the strike. Civilian casualties are minimalized with drone attacks compared to conventional air attacks.

Quite the opposite is true!


(CNN) -- U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed far more people than the United States has acknowledged, have traumatized innocent residents and largely been ineffective, according to a new study released Tuesday.
The study by Stanford Law School and New York University's School of Law calls for a re-evaluation of the practice, saying the number of "high-level" targets killed as a percentage of total casualties is extremely low -- about 2%.
 
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My old man was an officer in the RAF and based on a signals base in Cyprus and they would debrief the CIA on the location of Bin Laden on a regular basis and he was there till 1999. Anyone that thinks the US didn't know where he was is a fool, they underestimated the threat that much is certain.

He was actually a useful tool.
 
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