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Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.[W:351]

Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Two presidents — one a hawkish Republican and the other a dovish Democrat — have mostly made things worse.
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In fact when Bush left office things were better in Iraq and any arriving terrorists were soon killed. Now, since Obama went against the Generals advice, Iraq is a mess, along with Syria, Libya, Palestine, and most of the Middle East.

Before George W. Bush's 2003 invasion, there was no terrorist presence in Iraq, and the Busdhh administration even had the gall to take credit for it. By needlessly invading on false premises and in vain hope of installing a democracy, the U.S. destabilized the country and inspired a generation of enemies — at great cost in blood and treasure.
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Read this and see what you think. Revisionist History Prevails on Iraq Invasion - Victor Davis Hanson - Page full
Obama inherited that mess, and by failing to bring Maliki into line deepened the problem. Now, with Obama's position further weakened by his equivocal response to atrocities in Syria, he's left with a bigger mess to clean up, one that demands fresh thinking about policies of war and peace that have failed so badly.
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Again, it was not a mess and Biden even tried to take credit for the accomplishment of Iraq. Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller
 
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Montecresto said:
The glaring lesson of the war is that American ground invasions destabilize the Middle East, instead of stabilizing it. The 100,000 Iraqis who perished, the 4,500 American soldiers killed and the $1 trillion spent should have halted what Tufts University professor Daniel W. Drezner has called the "creeping militarization of American foreign policy." Instead, the civilian American institutions that failed us before Iraq have grown even weaker.

The Iraq Takeaway: American Ground Invasions Destabilize the Middle East - The Atlantic
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Do you sincerely believe that the Middle East was 'stable' at any time during your life time???
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
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Was that supposed to be a reply to me? Doesn't seem to address my post at all.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
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How is it to America's advantage to 'destabilize' the Middle East?
 
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Grant said:
Do you sincerely believe that the Middle East was 'stable' at any time during your life time???
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Montecresto said:
Same old excuses. China and Russia have both blocked our further attempts of destabilization and presumably they will do so going forward.
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They may have blocked the US's further attempts, at what you deem as destabilization by whatever measure is unclear, but have introduced their own destabilization on behalf of their own client states. All one has to do is look at Syria, favored by Russia, and the continued decimation of the rebel forces by Syrian state forces, as they continued to bomb civilians using helicopter barrel bombs.

Through great expenditure of US blood and US treasure, both Iraq and Afghanistan had a chance at democracy, a noble gesture, but seems that this chance will have been wasted on them.
 
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Grant said:
Bush was correct. Joe Biden said that Iraq was their greatest accomplishment, and then they made much political hay over them killing Osama bin Laden.

But what good did it do apart from the political posturing it allowed?

Bush had his eye on the bigger picture while Obama was all about photo ops, and still is.

It's always amusing to hear from the 28% who still support Obama and Joe Biden.
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That's funny if you seek to include me in that. I think Obama has continued the US scorched earth policy of support for militant Islamists and the destabilization of the ME. That's partisan lefties that still support Obama. Just like you were in the fraction that still supported Bush after 6 or 7 years in the WH.
 
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Grant said:
Do you sincerely believe that the Middle East was 'stable' at any time during your life time???
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Compared with the Middle East of today, only a paralyzed patron would miss that.
 
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Anthony60 said:
Was that supposed to be a reply to me? Doesn't seem to address my post at all.
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You seemed to be supporting the notion of "pre-emptive actions"! Something Russia and China won't be allowing anymore.
 
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Grant said:
How is it to America's advantage to 'destabilize' the Middle East?
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Why would a person who has failed to notice that the Middle East is in flames, far less stabile than it has been for decades, ask such a question?
 
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eohrnberger said:
They may have blocked the US's further attempts, at what you deem as destabilization by whatever measure is unclear, but have introduced their own destabilization on behalf of their own client states. All one has to do is look at Syria, favored by Russia, and the continued decimation of the rebel forces by Syrian state forces, as they continued to bomb civilians using helicopter barrel bombs.

Through great expenditure of US blood and US treasure, both Iraq and Afghanistan had a chance at democracy, a noble gesture, but seems that this chance will have been wasted on them.
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Another arrogant and condescending American sentiment that thinks the snot nosed kid on the block can deliver western style democracy to an ancient region, with ancient conflicts. Go ahead continue to support endless US military adventures in the ME, and its accompanying loss of US life and treasure, not to mention the suffering we heap upon the citizens in the name of helping the citizens.

I'm glad Russia has prevented the US from realizing the goal of "regime change" in Syria. We've done enough damage in the removal of Hussein, Mubarak and Gaddafi.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Another arrogant and condescending American sentiment that thinks the snot nosed kid on the block can deliver western style democracy to an ancient region, with ancient conflicts. Go ahead continue to support endless US military adventures in the ME, and its accompanying loss of US life and treasure, not to mention the suffering we heap upon the citizens in the name of helping the citizens.

I'm glad Russia has prevented the US from realizing the goal of "regime change" in Syria. We've done enough damage in the removal of Hussein, Mubarak and Gaddafi.
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does'nt russia have its own problems to deal with? for instance the fact that the central asian countries of Uzbekistan, tajikistan, kyrgzstan are problems waiting to happen?
 
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Yeah, Clinton could have offed Osama, yet he chose not to. The real truth is we could have killed his evil ads numerous times, however we chose not to.

I think the most ironic thing about Osama is that we helped his pun ads during the Afghan/Soviet war and he attacks us? If it wasn't go the US and our aid - him and his little gang would have been slaughtered in the 80's by the Soviets.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
does'nt russia have its own problems to deal with? for instance the fact that the central asian countries of Uzbekistan, tajikistan, kyrgzstan are problems waiting to happen?
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Sure they do. I doubt that they wanted to have to intervene in Syria. But along with China, they saw that the US need to be stopped.
 
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Montecresto said:
Sure they do. I doubt that they wanted to have to intervene in Syria. But along with China, they saw that the US need to be stopped.
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how close are russia and uzbekistan in terms of political relations? how much does Putin trust Uzbekistan's tyrant...i mean president, Islam Karimov?
 
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Sorry for some of my weird grammar, I'm typing on my phone and that "auto spell check/correct" thing just changes words.....
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Another arrogant and condescending American sentiment that thinks the snot nosed kid on the block can deliver western style democracy to an ancient region, with ancient conflicts. Go ahead continue to support endless US military adventures in the ME, and its accompanying loss of US life and treasure, not to mention the suffering we heap upon the citizens in the name of helping the citizens.

I'm glad Russia has prevented the US from realizing the goal of "regime change" in Syria. We've done enough damage in the removal of Hussein, Mubarak and Gaddafi.
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Oh do please enjoy your next Russian occupation. Your pleas for help will, hopefully, fall on deaf American ears.
Same when you have an Earthquake or other natural disaster. Don't come begging our way. Just don't start anything in our country, or history will likely be repeated.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Oh do please enjoy your next Russian occupation. Your pleas for help will, hopefully, fall on deaf American ears.
Same when you have an Earthquake or other natural disaster. Don't come begging our way. Just don't start anything in our country, or history will likely be repeated.
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Don't know what country you're in, here in Oklahoma though, we have had several fracking related earthquakes, usually minor though, we won't likely need to beg help.

I don't fancy we'll have a Russian occupation either.

What country are you in again?
 
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Coin said:
Imo with Osama killed on that time there would be like three or four 9/11s.
Being hidden for so long time after 9/11 brought down a lot the reputation of OBL and his loss was so normal afterward.
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Osama's influence did seem to wane when he went under ground.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Don't know what country you're in, here in Oklahoma though, we have had several fracking related earthquakes, usually minor though, we won't likely need to beg help.

I don't fancy we'll have a Russian occupation either.

What country are you in again?
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You sure sounded like you were from the ME. Maybe we would help you out in an Earthquake or Tornado after all. :)
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Compared with the Middle East of today, only a paralyzed patron would miss that.
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You didn't offer a comparison. But if you are saying that the Middle East was more stable when George Bush was President, i would concur.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
Why would a person who has failed to notice that the Middle East is in flames, far less stabile than it has been for decades, ask such a question?
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That's not answering the question.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Yeah, Clinton could have offed Osama, yet he chose not to. The real truth is we could have killed his evil ads numerous times, however we chose not to.

I think the most ironic thing about Osama is that we helped his pun ads during the Afghan/Soviet war and he attacks us? If it wasn't go the US and our aid - him and his little gang would have been slaughtered in the 80's by the Soviets.
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So then, it's all Reagan's fault. :lamo
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Montecresto said:
You seemed to be supporting the notion of "pre-emptive actions"! Something Russia and China won't be allowing anymore.
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That remains to be seen, as in, post Obama. If he was President after 9/11, Al Qaeda would have opened their own airport here.
 
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Grant said:
That's not answering the question.
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Thats because you're not genuine, as it has escaped you that US interference in the ME is exacerbating things, and not improving them.
 
Re: Bill Clinton: "I could have killed" Osama bin Laden.

Anthony60 said:
That remains to be seen, as in, post Obama. If he was President after 9/11, Al Qaeda would have opened their own airport here.
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No, it doesn't remain to be seen, but certainly US interference in the ME has strengthened militant Islamists. I've only been saying that forever.
 
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