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Raven ray Rice suspended 2 games

SMTA said:
What happened is between Rice, his wife, God, and law enforcement.

The NFL needs to stay out of the entire situation and do what they do best - screw sports fans by padding their pockets with money.

**** the NFL.
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Rice represents the Baltimore Ravens and the NFL. Therefore, the NFL has every right to be involved in this situation.
 
Roadvirus said:
Rice represents the Baltimore Ravens and the NFL. Therefore, the NFL has every right to be involved in this situation.
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Nope.

Employers have no business being in an employee's personal life.
 
Ocean007 said:
If I were Mrs. Rice, I would be very afraid at this point too, since her husband will be home a lot more often now.
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I don't like to think about this, or even wish it, but many of women who have been in relationships with men like these end up being a statistic. I wish her the best of luck.
 
Demon of Light said:
I am saying you should think of it as a physical altercation between two people and not bring in preconceptions about gender.
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Well, too bad, because it's obvious to anyone who saw the video that it was a case of a MAN punching a WOMAN in the face and knocking her unconscious. There's no other way to "think of it."
 
Ocean007 said:
Well, too bad, because it's obvious to anyone who saw the video that it was a case of a MAN punching a WOMAN in the face and knocking her unconscious. There's no other way to "think of it."
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Since there are some people who think about it differently, you are obviously wrong.
 
Demon of Light said:
Since there are some people who think about it differently, you are obviously wrong.
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You can say I'm "wrong" all you want, it isn't going to change anything. I still saw the video. It was a MAN punching a WOMAN in the face and knocking her unconscious by doing so. There's no other way FOR ME to "think of it."
 
AJiveMan said:
I don't like to think about this, or even wish it, but many of women who have been in relationships with men like these end up being a statistic. I wish her the best of luck.
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I wish her the best of luck as well, and I don't blame her at all for staying. There are many reasons a woman stays with a guy who has hit her (even once is abuse in my book), the biggest one being fear.

Perhaps the better question in domestic violence cases is not to ask her why she stays but to ask HIM why he HIT her in the first place. I seriously doubt that it was a case of self-defense, given the difference in their sizes.
 
SMTA said:
Nope.

Employers have no business being in an employee's personal life.
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Every player in the NFL has signed a "personal conduct" contractual clause with both the team and the league.
 
SMTA said:
Nope.

Employers have no business being in an employee's personal life.
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If that employee's actions hurt the bottom line, it's their business.
 
Simpleχity;1063754578 said:
Every player in the NFL has signed a "personal conduct" contractual clause with both the team and the league.
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If that is the case then they are contractually bound.

It does depend heavily on the exact verbiage of that clause.
 
Ocean007 said:
There are many reasons a woman stays with a guy who has hit her (even once is abuse in my book), the biggest one being fear.
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And in the case of Rice's wife, it's his bank account.
 
Demon of Light said:
Who said anything about "equally matched man versus man"? I certainly did not say that. Are you saying all men are equally-matched?
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(sigh). No, I don't mean that all men are equally matched, but a pro football player punching a woman? Seriously? You don't think that's worse than if he had punched a team-mate?
 
Roadvirus said:
And in the case of Rice's wife, it's his bank account.
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Even IF that is true, and I certainly don't know for a fact that it is, so what. It doesn't give HIM the right to hit her. And no, I'm not buying the "self-defense" argument. Rice looks much bigger and heavier than Mrs. Rice does.
 
Ocean007 said:
Even IF that is true, and I certainly don't know for a fact that it is, so what. It doesn't give HIM the right to hit her. And no, I'm not buying the "self-defense" argument. Rice looks much bigger and heavier than Mrs. Rice does.
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Yeah, If the person weighs more than a hundred pounds less than you, I figure some restraint is required in one's self-defense.
 
Grand Mal said:
(sigh). No, I don't mean that all men are equally matched, but a pro football player punching a woman? Seriously? You don't think that's worse than if he had punched a team-mate?
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Who said anything about a teammate? Are you just picking the kind of guys who you think could take it rather than going with what I was actually talking about?
 
Demon of Light said:
Who said anything about a teammate? Are you just picking the kind of guys who you think could take it rather than going with what I was actually talking about?
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You said we should consider it " a physical altercation between two people and not bring in preconceptions about gender". I'm saying there's degrees. It could be an altercation between two people if the people are evenly matched but this was just a vicious assault.
 
SMTA said:
Nope.

Employers have no business being in an employee's personal life.
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In at-will employment states an employer can fire a worker for any (legal) reason. And the employee can quit for any reason.

Employers with businesses certainly need to keep their business reputations clean....employing known violent people can harm your business.
 
Ocean007 said:
I wish her the best of luck as well, and I don't blame her at all for staying. There are many reasons a woman stays with a guy who has hit her (even once is abuse in my book), the biggest one being fear.

Perhaps the better question in domestic violence cases is not to ask her why she stays but to ask HIM why he HIT her in the first place. I seriously doubt that it was a case of self-defense, given the difference in their sizes.
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She hit him first. There's no excuse for that either.

And I have no respect for her or for any woman (without kids) that stays in such a relationship. Fear or not....leave and get help.

Once kids are involved it is much harder for a woman to leave but just as important...as the kids are likely to be abused as well and to grow up thinking it's ok to hit other people.
 
Grand Mal said:
You said we should consider it " a physical altercation between two people and not bring in preconceptions about gender". I'm saying there's degrees. It could be an altercation between two people if the people are evenly matched but this was just a vicious assault.
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So, are you saying your reaction and the media reaction would be exactly the same if it was a close male friend of Ray's of similar build and ability as his fiancé?
 
Demon of Light said:
So, are you saying your reaction and the media reaction would be exactly the same if it was a close male friend of Ray's of similar build and ability as his fiancé?
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Probably not exactly, no. I was taught to not pick a fight with guys smaller than me, and never with a woman. Weren't you taught that it's particularly heinous and cowardly to beat up a woman?
 
SMTA said:
Nope.

Employers have no business being in an employee's personal life.
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you're kidding, right?

i do complete background investigations

i do drug screening

i have someone on staff who makes sure no one in the company is posting idiocy to social sites

the days are long gone when employers had no say in your "other" life

you represent our company, whether at work or not

imagine a daycare center hiring a known sex offender

or a trucking company hiring a guy with three DWI's

before we interview, we check the social networks for young graduates

gives us an idea on who we are talking to.......

yeah....george orwell had it right......between your job and the government, there isnt much privacy nowadays
 
gdgyva said:
you're kidding, right?

i do complete background investigations

i do drug screening

i have someone on staff who makes sure no one in the company is posting idiocy to social sites

the days are long gone when employers had no say in your "other" life

you represent our company, whether at work or not

imagine a daycare center hiring a known sex offender

or a trucking company hiring a guy with three DWI's

before we interview, we check the social networks for young graduates

gives us an idea on who we are talking to.......

yeah....george orwell had it right......between your job and the government, there isnt much privacy nowadays
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Good for you.

You're baking money invading other's privacy.

You must be so proud.
 
SMTA said:
Good for you.

You're baking money invading other's privacy.

You must be so proud.
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dont know about proud

but my job is to protect my company

you dont like it.....dont work for me....easy solution

everyone that walks in the door gets the same information, and has to make the same choices

some, like you, refuse to work under those conditions

others have no issue with it
 
gdgyva said:
dont know about proud

but my job is to protect my company

you dont like it.....dont work for me....easy solution

everyone that walks in the door gets the same information, and has to make the same choices

some, like you, refuse to work under those conditions

others have no issue with it
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Looks there are no tests for capitalization, punctuation, nor periods, either.
 
SMTA said:
Looks there are no tests for capitalization, punctuation, nor periods, either.
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aaaah

another child disguised as a dp poster

and another on my ignore list

one of these days, people will learn there is a difference between disagreeing and just being a-holes
 
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