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POLL: one-third say Impeach Obama

ObamacareFail said:
haymarket said:
You must live in a alternate universe because the USA I live in saw the Dems do basically nothing with their big numbers and solid control of Congress.

You are kidding, right? To start with they passed a very unpopular healthcare bill against the wishes of the vast majority of Americans and without a single republican vote. That is one of the biggest reasons the democrats are in so much trouble leading into the midterms.
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Two years with big majorities in both houses and all we got was a watered down and compromised bill which started out as an idea from a conservative think tank.

I doubt that you can even tell the difference between a mainstream conservative and a far right radical.
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What difference? A six inch pile of horse dung and a twelve inch pile of elephant dung both stink to high heaven.
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ObamacareFail said:
Agreed. It has been hyperpartisan since Clinton. The only thing that will change it is congressional term limits if they are ever enacted.
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I am not sure that would even work. Not when the districts have been so gerrymandered as to guarantee hyper-partisan candidates get elected. Moderates for the most do not exist in congress anymore.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I am amused that the left has suddenly found they have an aversion to gerrymandering. They loved gerrymandering when they were able to use it to their major advantage for five long decades. Suddenly as a result of the 2010 midterms and all of the state and local races, the republicans gained the gerrymandering advantage and suddenly to the democrats it's an evil tool that must be abolished.
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Unless gerrymandering of districts is ended - this problem will be with us for the foreseeable future. A hyperpartisan response such as yours only underlines the problem.
 
MTAtech said:
Your viewpoint is laughable. The people you call "incompetent" are incompetent in your eyes because they don't hold your narrow political viewpoint.

Sorry, DHS was established to head-off terrorism, not to keep kids, who surrender to authorities the minute they cross the boarder.

The current head of DHS is Jeh Johnson. The first Sec'y of DHS was Tom Ridge, who raised the alert color every time Bush's poll numbers dropped. He was followed by Michael Chertoff and Janet Napolitano.

Again, they are incompetent in your eyes because they don't hold share your politics. What is ironic is that you denounce Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry when "Mushroom Clouds" Condoleezza Rice -- who hyped invading Iraq -- a country that didn't need to be invaded and Colin L. Powell who told false statements to the U.N. about Iraqi plans that turned out to be 100% wrong -- all while Clinton and Kerry were saying invading Iraq was a bad idea.

Eric Holder is far more appealing than Alberto R. Gonzales, who prosecuted Democratic politicians because they were Democrats and was soft on Republicans. He also fired Assistant Attorney Generals who refused to do his bidding on these matters.

Yes, let's bring up the IRS.
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You're watching to much MSNBC or you're a Groucho Marxist.
 
ObamacareFail said:
As a conservative, I say "Do not impeach Obama". Let him suffer out the remainder of his second term....especially if the republicans gain control of the senate. Even Obama has admitted that with the GOP controlling both house of congress, his last two years in office would be torture.
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First, that's looking less likely with each passing week, and in 2016 the map will favor Democrats.
Second, the votes just aren't there to convict Obama. So, if you want a backlash against Republicans, go ahead and impeach.

This is from the link above:

The race for the Senate, at least right now, is stable. There aren’t many polls asking whether voters would prefer Democrats or Republicans to control Congress, but the Democrats appear to maintain a slight edge among registered voters. Democratic incumbents in red Republican states, who would be all but doomed in a Republican wave, appear doggedly competitive in places where Mitt Romney won by as much as 24 points in 2012.
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But as July turns to August, the G.O.P. is now on the clock. If there is to be a wave this November, the signs of a shift toward the G.O.P. ought to start to show up, somewhere, soon. Every day that goes by without a shift toward the G.O.P. increases the odds that there will not be a wave at all.


How could the Democrats dodge a wave, given the president’s weak ratings and the long history of the president’s party losing in midterms?


Part of it might come from the unpopularity of the Republican Party. The G.O.P. is less popular today than it was in 2010, when G.O.P. favorability ratings increased and Democratic ratings faltered in advance of the midterms. Mr. Obama’s approval ratings might also be deceptive: They’re mainly low because of minimal support from Republican leaners, not because Mr. Obama has lost an unusual amount of ground among his own supporters.
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MTAtech said:
Your viewpoint is laughable. The people you call "incompetent" are incompetent in your eyes because they don't hold your narrow political viewpoint.

Sorry, DHS was established to head-off terrorism, not to keep kids, who surrender to authorities the minute they cross the boarder.

The current head of DHS is Jeh Johnson. The first Sec'y of DHS was Tom Ridge, who raised the alert color every time Bush's poll numbers dropped. He was followed by Michael Chertoff and Janet Napolitano.

Again, they are incompetent in your eyes because they don't hold share your politics. What is ironic is that you denounce Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry when "Mushroom Clouds" Condoleezza Rice -- who hyped invading Iraq -- a country that didn't need to be invaded and Colin L. Powell who told false statements to the U.N. about Iraqi plans that turned out to be 100% wrong -- all while Clinton and Kerry were saying invading Iraq was a bad idea.

Eric Holder is far more appealing than Alberto R. Gonzales, who prosecuted Democratic politicians because they were Democrats and was soft on Republicans. He also fired Assistant Attorney Generals who refused to do his bidding on these matters.

Yes, let's bring up the IRS.
APACHERAT said:
You're watching to {sic} much MSNBC or you're a Groucho Marxist.
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TRANSLATION: APACHERAT can't intelligent debate what MTAtech wrote, so he'll just call MTAtech a Marxist instead. Oh, and learn the different forms in our language, "to" is not the same as "too." Oh, oh, you can never watch too much MSNBC-- unless it is "Lockup."
 
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haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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1/3 is probably an accurate percentage representing the low hanging fruit each side has at its disposal. Thank goodness there are enough in the middle to thwart the crazies.
 
ObamacareFail said:
I am amused that the left has suddenly found they have an aversion to gerrymandering. They loved gerrymandering when they were able to use it to their major advantage for five long decades. Suddenly as a result of the 2010 midterms and all of the state and local races, the republicans gained the gerrymandering advantage and suddenly to the democrats it's an evil tool that must be abolished.
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It's only a matter of time when voters in the red states start defeating Republican legislators and governors who decided not to have health care exchanges or expand Medicaid. Their policies put those states at a disadvantage to states that started exchanges and expand Medicaid.

Those health care exchanges are is very popular in Kentucky, where low income voters couldn't afford coverage.
 
Perotista said:
I am not sure that would even work. Not when the districts have been so gerrymandered as to guarantee hyper-partisan candidates get elected. Moderates for the most do not exist in congress anymore.
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Congressional term limits would at least change the guard on occasion. It would be a start. Most of the hyperpartisanship and corruption comes from entrenched politicians. With term limits, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, and McConnell would be gone.
 
MTAtech said:
First, that's looking less likely with each passing week, and in 2016 the map will favor Democrats.
Second, the votes just aren't there to convict Obama. So, if you want a backlash against Republicans, go ahead and impeach.

This is from the link above:
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Perhaps you should read before you respond. Which part of "As a conservative, I say "Do not impeach Obama". Let him suffer out the remainder of his second term" did you not understand? As much as I think Obama is an ass, I don't think the republicans should be wasting time planning impeachment of Obama. And the truth is that they are not. The democrats are just invoking fears of impeachment proceedings as a desperate ploy to raise money and get their base to comer out and vote in the midterms. It's a little early for making hard predictions in regards to 2016, however at this point, I don't think it looks good for the democrats. They will still have the 1200 lb gorilla (obamacare) on their backs as they do now. And the employer mandate will be very much in the news then.
 
joG said:
There are alway those for and against a politician. Why, there were people out there that wanted to keep Nixon in office.

But I wonder if impeachment shouldn't be a legal decision rather than by popular majority.
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Impeachment is a political decision to solve a political problem.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Congressional term limits would at least change the guard on occasion. It would be a start. Most of the hyperpartisanship and corruption comes from entrenched politicians. With term limits, Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, and McConnell would be gone.
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It would be worth a try only because anything is better than what we have now. What is the old saying? Desperate times calls for desperate measures.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Perhaps you should read before you respond. Which part of "As a conservative, I say "Do not impeach Obama". Let him suffer out the remainder of his second term" did you not understand? As much as I think Obama is an ass, I don't think the republicans should be wasting time planning impeachment of Obama. And the truth is that they are not. The democrats are just invoking fears of impeachment proceedings as a desperate ploy to raise money and get their base to comer out and vote in the midterms. It's a little early for making hard predictions in regards to 2016, however at this point, I don't think it looks good for the democrats. They will still have the 1200 lb gorilla (obamacare) on their backs as they do now. And the employer mandate will be very much in the news then.
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Perhaps you should read before you respond. Just because I added "the votes just aren't there to convict Obama. So, if you want a backlash against Republicans, go ahead and impeach," doesn't mean that I thought that was your view -- although I can see how someone could have that impression. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "if one" instead of "you."
 
MTAtech said:
It's only a matter of time when voters in the red states start defeating Republican legislators and governors who decided not to have health care exchanges or expand Medicaid. Their policies put those states at a disadvantage to states that started exchanges and expand Medicaid.

Those health care exchanges are is very popular in Kentucky, where low income voters couldn't afford coverage.
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I live in one of the red states that refused to set up an exchange. Unfortunately for your claims, every state and local politician running against obamacare is winning.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Ahem:

Obama’s Judicial Juggling
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From your own link:
What Obama failed to make clear is that he wasn’t referring to the total wait time, but only to the time his nominees have waited for a vote after first being approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Counting only the time between committee approval and confirmation, Obama’s circuit court judges waited an average of 138.5 days, more than triple the 35.3 days for Bush’s first-term nominees. For district court judges, the figures were 98.5 days for Obama, nearly (but not quite) triple the 34.9 days for Bush’s first-term picks.
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Perotista said:
It would be worth a try only because anything is better than what we have now. What is the old saying? Desperate times calls for desperate measures.
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It made a difference in regards to the executive office. No more four term presidents
 
Paxaeon said:
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POLL: Two-Thirds say Do Not Impeach Obama
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But Obama is working tirelessly to flip those numbers. I believe he will succeed.

The nation's restoration to a republican form of government can be found in Article V. We need a convention of states to propose amendments to restore constitutionally limited government. Without it the loss of individual liberty will continue until the free nation dies.
 
MTAtech said:
Perhaps you should read before you respond. Just because I added "the votes just aren't there to convict Obama. So, if you want a backlash against Republicans, go ahead and impeach," doesn't mean that I thought that was your view -- although I can see how someone could have that impression. Perhaps I should have used the phrase "if one" instead of "you."
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However once again, there is no conservative move about to impeach Obama. A poll suggesting 1/3 would favor impeachment is not a movement.....and the same poll levels existed for the previous two presidents. You are attempting to ignore my point that the democrats are only mouthing: "They wanna impeach" as a ploy to raise money and inspire their base. It is actually quite amusing.
 
ObamacareFail said:
It made a difference in regards to the executive office. No more four term presidents
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You wouldn't have that anyway. Truman choose not to run again in 1952 although he could have. Eisenhower had ill health having suffered 4 heart attacks. JFK was shot and LBJ stepped down because he would probably have lost the nomination of his party. Nixon resigned, Carter was defeated. Reagan had Alzheimer and would not have run for a third term. Bush the first was defeated, Clinton since the passage of the 22nd amendment was the only president that probably would have won a third term if he could have run. Bush the second was too unliked and would have lost if he decided to run.

Would a Clinton third term been better than Bush's first, who knows?
 
ObamacareFail said:
As a conservative, I say "Do not impeach Obama". Let him suffer out the remainder of his second term....especially if the republicans gain control of the senate. Even Obama has admitted that with the GOP controlling both house of congress, his last two years in office would be torture.
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Water boarding in not torture. We should let him enjoy it...
 
MTAtech said:
From your own link:
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Yawn. Read the entire article...not just what you think supports your point. My point is that Bush's nominees were treated as badly overall if not more so then Obama's nominees.
 
haymarket said:
Poll: One-third say impeach Obama - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com




The ever increasing radicalization of the right becomes more and more obvious every day and now this poll clearly provides more evidence of the divide in America between the right and everyone else.

65% of Americans reject the political tactic of impeachment but a full one-third of the citizenry are more that willing to go down that road. Nearly one in five simply want to use it to advance their own political objections and need no actual crimes for the process.
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In all fairness, roughly 30% is always the percentage of hardline partisans, right and left.
 
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