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US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’ [W:326]

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TheNextEra said:
Oh so you're saying NONE of the rockets fired into Israel have killed civilians? You're really going with that?
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Better read what you quoted again.
 
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Montecresto said:
Better read what you quoted again.
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Yeah you're saying the Israelis are the ones killing civlians. Sorry, but before the incursion it was Hamas firing rockets at civilians in Israel. Better check your history again.

If Hamas is going to fire from hospitals and houses, expect Israel to fire on those areas. MAybe if Hamas wasn't using Guerilla tactics, there would be less casualties on the Palestinian side.

Seems you are cheering for Hamas using this method and don't want Israel to fight back.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yeah you're saying the Israelis are the ones killing civlians. Sorry, but before the incursion it was Hamas firing rockets at civilians in Israel. Better check your history again.

If Hamas is going to fire from hospitals and houses, expect Israel to fire on those areas. MAybe if Hamas wasn't using Guerilla tactics, there would be less casualties on the Palestinian side.

Seems you are cheering for Hamas using this method and don't want Israel to fight back.
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Criticizing the vastly more powerful Israeli state does not equate to support of Hamas' indiscriminent rocket fire. However repeating propaganda doesn't advance your position, and treating the handful of Israeli civilian deaths as anywhere near the Israeli killing of one thousand eight hundred men, women and children civilians shows what you're cheering.


Jeremy Bowen's Gaza notebook: I saw no evidence of Hamas using Palestinians as human shields
The BBC's Middle East editor reports from Gaza.
 
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Grant said:
If you think this war is abut countries then you are woefully misinformed. How often need it be explained that this is about Islamists?
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We decided to fight it by invading countries, and that was the mistake.

And no evidence that they were planned in Saudi Arabia, despite your efforts to involve them somehow. This is not to say that the Saudis have clean hands but few Muslims countries do.
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No one said that. Read more carefully.

What?? The Coalition had won in Iraq. Just ask Joe Biden!!Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller
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yes both parties took credit for something not done. Shocking, I know,. But stay focused on what is being said here.

There was real change until Obama removed the troops, despite warnings from his generals. Those deaths are on Barrack Obama's head and no one else.
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No, the violence continued even then. We could hold it for ever, but that never works with a democracy. No mater how long we stayed, this was the eventuality. You guys never saw that, hence support for a flawed effort.

Like I said, you can't beat one foe if you don't tackle that foe. beating up someone weaker and not related doesn't help. That was always the problem.
 
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Grant said:
You are sounding ever more foolish. Please read this so you'll have a better understanding of what actually happened during that period. It's useless to debate if you don't understand the history. If, after reading the article, and you see any errors whatsoever, please point them out. Revisionist History Prevails on Iraq Invasion - Victor Davis Hanson - Page full
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LOL. That was funny excuse making to be sure. That Victor is always a hoot. Often wrong, but a hoot none the less. :lamo
 
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Montecresto said:
It's the Israelis killing civilians, 1600-1800!! I think Hamas has killed 70 or so Israelis with 65 or so being soldiers.
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So you think it would be more fair if the casualties were 50/50?
 
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poweRob said:
A national review stooge.... Yeah... I'll pass.
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It wasn't intended for people like yourself and never expected you to read it. But a stooge???
Victor Davis Hanson (born September 5, 1953) is an American military historian, columnist, former classics professor, and scholar of ancient warfare. He has been a commentator on modern warfare and contemporary politics for National Review and other media outlets. He was a professor of classics at California State University, Fresno, and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. He has been a visiting professor at Hillsdale College since 2004. [1] Hanson is perhaps best known for his 2001 book, Carnage and Culture.
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Only leftists feel it a virtue to remain stubbornly ignorant.
 
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j-mac said:
When the next attack happens here, and Innocent Americans die, that is squarely on Obama....
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Just like 911 and it's 3000 deaths can be placed squarely on GW Bush. Why isn't he in jail?
 
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Montecresto said:
In a nut shell, Israel's presence and oppression of the Palestinian people is the problem. But then you know this.
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So Israel doesn't have a right to exist?
 
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iguanaman said:
Just like 911 and it's 3000 deaths can be placed squarely on GW Bush. Why isn't he in jail?
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You are aware that Clinton made this statement hours before 9/11 right?
 
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j-mac said:
You are aware that Clinton made this statement hours before 9/11 right?
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Perhaps if Bush had tried to get Bin Laden like Clinton did I wouldn't blame him. The fact is Bush dropped the ball on Bin Laden because he was fixated on Saddam Hussein.
America paid the price for that bungling. 3000 American deaths from 911 + 4000 American deaths from the Iraqi invasion. That's 7000. He should have went to jail.
 
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Rhiannon said:
The Russians would gladly sale their nuclear arms to the highest bidder for a quick buck. No one claimed they're innocent. Most, if not all, superpowers exploit other nations which is likely why they are a superpower to start with .. they certainly didn't get there by being nice.
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I'm glad to see you think that not an iota of honest effort ever went into building a superpower.
 
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iguanaman said:
Perhaps if Bush had tried to get Bin Laden like Clinton did I wouldn't blame him. The fact is Bush dropped the ball on Bin Laden because he was fixated on Saddam Hussein.
America paid the price for that bungling. 3000 American deaths from 911 + 4000 American deaths from the Iraqi invasion. That's 7000. He should have went to jail.
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Wow are you wrong... Have fun with that.
 
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Grant said:
So you think it would be more fair if the casualties were 50/50?
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I didn't say anything close to that did I Grant, you're having difficulty with your position so you need to twist mine? Hamas is killing soldiers while Israel is killing civilians. In the meantime, you support the guys killing all the civilians. But then I've noticed there's plenty of anti humanitarian and anti democracy positions you support.
 
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Grant said:
Is that your idea of clever debate?
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It's the best response to stupid, which I keep running in to.
 
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j-mac said:
So Israel doesn't have a right to exist?
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Why do you guys ALWAYS go to extremes. I haven't heard anybody suggest that. Israel however does not have a right to exist at the expense of the Palestinians which has been the case since 1948. Why did the Palestinians have to give up their rights, and squeeze into the small places they find themselves in now (called a prison camp by David Cameron) to make room for Jews to come in and declare the Palestinian ancestral lands, the State of Israel. In fact this is damn retarded to even have to have such a conversation as this. You would never support the notion the other way around.
 
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Montecresto said:
Why do you guys ALWAYS go to extremes. I haven't heard anybody suggest that. Israel however does not have a right to exist at the expense of the Palestinians which has been the case since 1948. Why did the Palestinians have to give up their rights, and squeeze into the small places they find themselves in now (called a prison camp by David Cameron) to make room for Jews to come in and declare the Palestinian ancestral lands, the State of Israel. In fact this is damn retarded to even have to have such a conversation as this. You would never support the notion the other way around.
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Then Palestinians should go back to Jordan. Jews predate any so called Palestinians.
 
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Kobie said:
Yeah, and North Korea's been threatening to nuke us for damn near 20 years. Bluster from terrorist dirtbags is not an imminent threat.
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So your solution to a movement, that is currently invading a country and performing public beheadings, that is threatening America is to wait until they come here? Perhaps you should put the drink down.
 
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iguanaman said:
Perhaps if Bush had tried to get Bin Laden like Clinton did I wouldn't blame him. The fact is Bush dropped the ball on Bin Laden because he was fixated on Saddam Hussein.
America paid the price for that bungling. 3000 American deaths from 911 + 4000 American deaths from the Iraqi invasion. That's 7000. He should have went to jail.
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Wow, common core for the win.
 
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DrPepper said:
So your solution to a movement, that is currently invading a country and performing public beheadings, that is threatening America is to wait until they come here? Perhaps you should put the drink down.
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Yeah, that's what I said. :roll:
 
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