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US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’ [W:326]

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Islam and its Jihadists are the connection. If you only watch MSNBC and the MSN you would never know this, and thus your question is quite understandable.

Doesn't answer the question.
 
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by your logic then your sentence is wrong and doesn't matter at all because you said it before now and circumstances have changed since you wrote it.

btw... circumstances have absolutely no bearing in a discussion about someone making an accurate prediction of the future. 1994 Cheney WAS right. Later Cheney and you ARE wrong. done.. and ... done.

Try reading this to the end. Revisionist History Prevails on Iraq Invasion - Victor Davis Hanson - Page full
 
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Certainly is does. Or do you have an alternate explanation?

I do: when Saudis attack us with Pakistani money, we concern ourself with how to stop that instead of invading Iraq.
 
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I do: when Saudis attack us with Pakistani money, we concern ourself with how to stop that instead of invading Iraq.

Did the Saudi Arabia attack the US? When was that?
 
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when Saudis attack us with Pakistani money,

That doesn't make sense. Saudis are rich and Pakistanis are dirt poor.
 
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That doesn't make sense. Saudis are rich and Pakistanis are dirt poor.

but pakistan is rich with the money they recieve from us to be our allies in the war on terror.

guess how well that turned out?
 
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but pakistan is rich with the money they recieve from us to be our allies in the war on terror.

Compared to Saud oil money, that's chump change. And in case you didn't notice... Pakistan is a craphole.
 
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but pakistan is rich with the money they recieve from us to be our allies in the war on terror.

guess how well that turned out?
The US did not make Pakistan rich. It is still a poor country.
 
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Compared to Saud oil money, that's chump change. And in case you didn't notice... Pakistan is a craphole.

the same can be said about most of Saudi arabia.

and pakistan has nukes...
 
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the same can be said about most of Saudi arabia.

But the same can be said about all of Pakistan.

and pakistan has nukes...

What does that have to do with Pakistan being an armpit?
 
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Did the Saudi Arabia attack the US? When was that?

Neither did Iraq. But those who did were Saudis.
 
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That doesn't make sense. Saudis are rich and Pakistanis are dirt poor.

Doesn't change what happened.
 
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Why does anyone with even a modest amount of intelligence think that the USofA can intervene in areas like Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Afghanistan without it causing more issues than it "fixes"?

Why does anyone think "we" can "fix" anything in countries with those kinds of cultures, histories, and beliefs?

It's just plain silly.

There are several reasons why US foreign policies probably can't work in the ME. 1) There doesn't appear to be any leadership there that understand the concept of liberty. The ancestors of the people living there now probably had more liberty when they lived in local tribes. 2) There is both a lack of ethics and a rule of law, except that given by religious leaders, and a lot of people there think murder is okay. Our leaders seem to think that the leaders there have people who can just take over when we leave, after we have changed their system to suit us. Can't and probably won't happen.

So that boils down to only three choices: liberty, tyranny and/ or chaos. Since liberty is not understood, that leaves only the last two. We have seen tyranny, which we mistakenly thought we had eliminated; now we're seeing chaos, which will probably last a long time. When we get rid of a country's regime, which has happened in many countries including Iran, Iraq, Egypt, [and we are trying in Syria], what replaces that except violence? We don't understand them, and they probably think we're pipe dreamers to be tolerated until we depart. Then they go back to what they have always known.

You are right, Dragonfly, it's just plain silly to think we can fix things over there!
 
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Neither did Iraq. But those who did were Saudis.

That's not true. Saudi Arabia had 15, United Arab Emirates 2, Egypt 1, and Lebanon 1. Their connection was Islam.
 
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There's never been a bigger bunch of in-fighting what do you mean they're on the same page?

This week on Sesame street: In fighting brought to you by the letters CIA.
 
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That's not true. Saudi Arabia had 15, United Arab Emirates 2, Egypt 1, and Lebanon 1. Their connection was Islam.

Thanks for proving my point. It wasn't Iraq, and it wasn't Afghanistan. Invading those countries did not, and will not correct the problem. In fact, it made it worse. It was reckless, and largely lazy. It's harder to build than destroy. As long as you think in terms of countries, this will continue.
 
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Thanks for proving my point. It wasn't Iraq, and it wasn't Afghanistan. Invading those countries did not, and will not correct the problem. In fact, it made it worse. It was reckless, and largely lazy. It's harder to build than destroy. As long as you think in terms of countries, this will continue.
Was not Afghanistan given the opportunity to hand OBL over to the US following 9/11?

Was not Saddam Hussein given the opportunity to come clean with his programs on multiple occasion, as well as the chance to step down and go onto exile?

You're kind always looks to blame your own first without any objectivity.

I bet you blame Israel for the current conflict too don't you?

Pathetic.
 
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Was not Afghanistan given the opportunity to hand OBL over to the US following 9/11?

Was not Saddam Hussein given the opportunity to come clean with his programs on multiple occasion, as well as the chance to step down and go onto exile?

You're kind always looks to blame your own first without any objectivity.

I bet you blame Israel for the current conflict too don't you?

Pathetic.

Afghanistan was, and gave counter proposals. There was a possibility. We will never know

As for Iraq, we had inspectors on the ground. Inspectors who said we didn't need to invade and that they were making progress. So, there is no excuse for Iraq.

As I don't think of myself as being imperial, I do tend to focus at home first. I remove the blank from my own eye before I go after the sty in someone else's eye. We were wrong. It's just that simple.

As for Israel and Palestine, if you can show me a good guy I'd be happy to see it. As best I can tell, both sides have no hesitancy to killing innocent people. If being against that is wrong to you, I'm sorry for you.
 
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Thanks for proving my point. It wasn't Iraq, and it wasn't Afghanistan. Invading those countries did not, and will not correct the problem. In fact, it made it worse. It was reckless, and largely lazy. It's harder to build than destroy. As long as you think in terms of countries, this will continue.

Your 'point' was that they were Saudis. They were not.

Where do you believe the plans for this exercise took pace? Were you aware of earlier attempts?
 
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Afghanistan was, and gave counter proposals. There was a possibility. We will never know
Speak for yourself. The Taliban did have the option to turn over those who had participated and chose not to.

As for Iraq, we had inspectors on the ground. Inspectors who said we didn't need to invade and that they were making progress. So, there is no excuse for Iraq.
You are distorting reality. In fact Saddam was also given the same opportunity to leave but chose not to.

You also appear to not know that Hamas has been sending rockets into Israel for several weeks before Israel finally responded.
 
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Your 'point' was that they were Saudis. They were not.

Where do you believe the plans for this exercise took pace? Were you aware of earlier attempts?

Actually, that wasn't my point, and 15 of 19 were. My point was we didn't attack the those responsible. We attacked countries. It doesn't work.

And yes, there were earlier attempts, and they were planned all over the world. The plan was to get us to come there so they coukd do more damage. We add 4000 mire deaths to the three thousand for no real change. All we accomplished was to better train those who fought us. It was an ignorant and reckless move.

So, once again my point was you don't beat Tarzan by beating up the hooker on the corner.
 
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Speak for yourself. The Taliban did have the option to turn over those who had participated and chose not to.

You are distorting reality. In fact Saddam was also given the same opportunity to leave but chose not to.

You also appear to not know that Hamas has been sending rockets into Israel for several weeks before Israel finally responded.

I see you fail to read the first one accurately as well. Try again.

Listen to yourself. Iraq didn't belong to us. It wasn't our place to demand he leave. And your response there has nothing to do with it.

And I understand what has been going on in Israel and Palestine just find. You aren't throwing anything not known. But please read what I said again, you seem to be missing important information.
 
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Actually, that wasn't my point, and 15 of 19 were. My point was we didn't attack the those responsible. We attacked countries. It doesn't work.
If you think this war is abut countries then you are woefully misinformed. How often need it be explained that this is about Islamists?

And yes, there were earlier attempts, and they were planned all over the world.
And no evidence that they were planned in Saudi Arabia, despite your efforts to involve them somehow. This is not to say that the Saudis have clean hands but few Muslims countries do.

The plan was to get us to come there so they coukd do more damage.
What?? The Coalition had won in Iraq. Just ask Joe Biden!!Watch Joe Biden Call Iraq "One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" | The Daily Caller

We add 4000 mire deaths to the three thousand for no real change. All we accomplished was to better train those who fought us. It was an ignorant and reckless move.
There was real change until Obama removed the troops, despite warnings from his generals. Those deaths are on Barrack Obama's head and no one else.

So, once again my point was you don't beat Tarzan by beating up the hooker on the corner.
You're still in high school, right?
 
Re: US and Islamic State: ‘We did see this coming’

I see you fail to read the first one accurately as well. Try again.

Listen to yourself. Iraq didn't belong to us. It wasn't our place to demand he leave. And your response there has nothing to do with it.

And I understand what has been going on in Israel and Palestine just find. You aren't throwing anything not known. But please read what I said again, you seem to be missing important information.
You are sounding ever more foolish. Please read this so you'll have a better understanding of what actually happened during that period. It's useless to debate if you don't understand the history. If, after reading the article, and you see any errors whatsoever, please point them out. Revisionist History Prevails on Iraq Invasion - Victor Davis Hanson - Page full
 
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