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Central American leaders blame U.S. for border crisis[W:62]

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1063573425 said:
No one referred to a justification except you. (strawman)

You need to brush up on your history. The US isn't the only nation that engaged in the slave trade.

The responsibility for the slave trade was shared by colonists/Americans, Africans, South Americans, and Europeans who engaged in it. They were all wrong, period.

Maybe you and your mom should conduct more research since you talk about it "all the time" so you can become more knowledgeable.
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I said we should take some responsibility, never said we should take all of it, I partially concede my point that the U.S ****ed up Africa only because I omitted the other perpetrators, my point still stands, we have yet to really help Africa or SA catch up to the rest of the world.

SA is a ****hole, and because of that those people are migrating here. illegally and in large numbers.

That is pissing us off, then we blame them for being ****hole countries forcing their children to come up here when the reason why they are ****hole countries leads back ALMOST completely to us.

Africa doesn't illegally migrate here but that hardly means we shouldn't help them.
 
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Moot said:
They estimate there's about 30,000 to 50,000 gang members in El Salvador alone. It's the same for Honduras and Guatemala.


How would you go about rounding up 150,000 gang members and assuming you succeed, where would you put them after you do and who is going to pay to keep them all incarcerated?

US deportation of gang members after they served time in US prisons is likely what caused the gang problem in Central America in the first place.
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I don't think rounding up all gang members is the answer but seizing the power figures perhaps... putting the gangs organization in enough disarray that the government could take control again.
 
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poweRob said:
I don't think rounding up all gang members is the answer but seizing the power figures perhaps... putting the gangs organization in enough disarray that the government could take control again.
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Removing the power heads is like cutting off the head of a Hydra. With such a high murder rate the gang leaders probably don't live very long anyway and are quickly replaced.

I don't know what the answer is but perhaps legalizing pot and cutting off their weapons supply might help enormously.
 
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As we left West Yellowstone and came down the construction-laden Targhee to I-15 in Idaho all the way to Vegas last Wednesday,
the altitude--inner-ear--UV--weather changes knocked me for a loop.

As my wife drove, one of my ideas was to round up all of our gang-bangers, including the ones in prison,
and send them down there to fight theirs .
Moot said:
Removing the power heads is like cutting off the head of a Hydra. With such a high murder rate the gang leaders probably don't live very long anyway and are quickly replaced.

I don't know what the answer is but perhaps legalizing pot and cutting off their weapons supply might help enormously.
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sangha said:
I did. The children coming into our country illegally are going to be deported.
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It appears you didnt read because I said if they are given refugee status then they stay. Try to read past the first sentence next time.
 
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poweRob said:
I don't think rounding up all gang members is the answer but seizing the power figures perhaps... putting the gangs organization in enough disarray that the government could take control again.
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We tried that with Adid in Somalia remember?

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Luftwaffe said:
What the ****?

Tell me what an unarmed 100 pounder is going to do to a 220 pound 7.5 foot tall giant with a belt-fed machine gun...

And so, you become ignored for the rest of this thread until you can post something even slightly intelligent.
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LOL

Really? Boo Hoo! Geeze, grow up.

I have a different opinion, and you throw a temper tantrum.

Well done.

Perhaps you could focus more on the deeper point than on proving how shallow the "pool" is.
 
sangha said:
Information? :screwy

Are you seeing things that aren't there?
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Perhaps you shouldn't wander into posts you know nothing about. I was asking the same thing. I have no clue what the poster was referring to when they wrote about Africa not getting the information.

I guess for you, looking foolish is the price you pay for thinking you are clever.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps you shouldn't wander into posts you know nothing about. I was asking the same thing. I have no clue what the poster was referring to when they wrote about Africa not getting the information.

I guess for you, looking foolish is the price you pay for thinking you are clever.
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Hypocrisy must be a virtue for some.
 
j-mac said:
What a couple of Idiots....How about they get control of their own countries, and realize that people are fleeing their socialist countries for freedom...We, can't help them...Send the kids back.
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I think they should be declared refugees and sent to Europe, Asia, etc.
 
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apdst said:
Well, they're half right. If not for the regime pushing amnesty, this might not be happening.
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True, the last regime that pushed for amnesty admitted its failings.

According to Ronald Reagan himself, as told to his trusted long-time friend and U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, the biggest mistake of his presidency was signing the l986 amnesty for what turned out to be more than half the five million illegal immigrants in the country. Reagan was uncomfortable with the amnesty but was persuaded by some of the leaders of his own party (still living) that it would only affect a small number of illegal immigrants and would assure that Congress would follow through with more vigorous enforcement of U.S. immigration laws. The misnamed Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 was touted by its supporters as “comprehensive immigration reform” that would grant amnesty only to a few long-settled immigrants and strengthen border security and internal immigration enforcement against employers who were hiring illegal immigrants.


http://conservativetimes.org/?p=10638
 
Montecresto said:
And that's also true. But then this would be moot as soon as Americans kick their drug addiction!
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That's intellectual laziness.

Where was the mass influx of diseases illegals during the 70s ?

80s ?? 90 s ??

During every other decade where Americans wrre happily ingesting every drug possible ?
 
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Luftwaffe said:
I said we should take some responsibility, never said we should take all of it, I partially concede my point that the U.S ****ed up Africa only because I omitted the other perpetrators, my point still stands, we have yet to really help Africa or SA catch up to the rest of the world.

SA is a ****hole, and because of that those people are migrating here. illegally and in large numbers.

That is pissing us off, then we blame them for being ****hole countries forcing their children to come up here when the reason why they are ****hole countries leads back ALMOST completely to us.

Africa doesn't illegally migrate here but that hardly means we shouldn't help them.
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You really need to bone up on that history. We didn't take slaves from Africa. We BOUGHT them from middlemen (largely the Dutch) who did for the WORLD slave trade. We have no responsibility towards Africa.

As to SA, again, bull****. It has ALWAYS been a bit of a ****hole, back into pre-history and well before the US even existed.
 
Fenton said:
That's intellectual laziness.

Where was the mass influx of diseases illegals during the 70s ?

80s ?? 90 s ??

During every other decade where Americans wrre happily ingesting every drug possible ?
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How could a lack of demand be a bad thing?
 
Montecresto said:
How could a lack of demand be a bad thing?
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Your'e ignoring my question for some reason and making non-sequitur rebuttals to boot.

Throughout the last 4 decades massive amounts of illegal drugs were brought in from Central American countries

Why are we responsible all of the sudden for illegals again ?
 
Fenton said:
Your'e ignoring my question for some reason and making non-sequitur rebuttals to boot.

Throughout the last 4 decades massive amounts of illegal drugs were brought in from Central American countries

Why are we responsible all of the sudden for illegals again ?
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You took issue with my comment that America's drug addiction is fueling the crime that's involved with supplying it. How is that not true. We can move on to your other questions after that. The thread is dealing with Central American countries claim that the US shares blame in the crisis, and I pointed out one of the ways (there's more) that that is indeed true.
 
Montecresto said:
You took issue with my comment that America's drug addiction is fueling the crime that's involved with supplying it. How is that not true. We can move on to your other questions after that. The thread is dealing with Central American countries claim that the US shares blame in the crisis, and I pointed out one of the ways (there's more) that that is indeed true.
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The only reason we " share blame " in this Crisis is because we're NOT enforcing our Immigration laws.

Its that simple. It has nothing to do with American drug addicts.

If the illegals from Mexico and central America KNEW that a attempt to enter into America illegally would result in their immediate imprisonment then they would think twice before breaking our laws
 
Fenton said:
The only reason we " share blame " in this Crisis is because we're NOT enforcing our Immigration laws.

Its that simple. It has nothing to do with American drug addicts.

If the illegals from Mexico and central America KNEW that a attempt to enter into America illegally would result in their immediate imprisonment then they would think twice before breaking our laws
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Well to be fair we do have an active 'war of drugs' and where do the drugs come from? If we did something about that, it would help control the reason and the number of illegal immigrants from Central America.
 
Montecresto said:
You took issue with my comment that America's drug addiction is fueling the crime that's involved with supplying it. How is that not true. We can move on to your other questions after that. The thread is dealing with Central American countries claim that the US shares blame in the crisis, and I pointed out one of the ways (there's more) that that is indeed true.
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So, in your view the demand preceded and caused the supply? Just how did these addicts become addicted if the supply didn't precede the demand? The drug dealing by these nations precedes the US demand. We are just one more customer, albeit a huge customer. It was THEY who CHOSE to become drug peddlers to the world. There was no outside force involved in that choice.

If the US magically woke up tomorrow with no taste for the drugs they peddle, they would still be in the drug business the day after.
 
americanwoman said:
Well to be fair we do have an active 'war of drugs' and where do the drugs come from? If we did something about that, it would help control the reason and the number of illegal immigrants from Central America.
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Not likely, a few illegals may bring drugs with them as a way to finance their crossing, but most of the mules go back, they do not stay.
 
clownboy said:
Not likely, a few illegals may bring drugs with them as a way to finance their crossing, but most of the mules go back, they do not stay.
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But to say ( as Fenton claimed) that it is soley our immigration policy and nothing to do with drugs is simply not the case, or no? If there were no drugs involved do you think the immigration rates would be the same or not? Yes, our immigration laws are broken but it is also the drug violence that many try to escape from. We have a war on drugs, yet that is also a failed program, but if it wasn't so failed I think it would help somewhat of the problem. I can't say for sure one way or another but knowing how it is atleast in Mexico, I think being proactive in that war years ago could have helped the current situation. Now it's a huge mess.
 
Fenton said:
The only reason we " share blame " in this Crisis is because we're NOT enforcing our Immigration laws.

Its that simple. It has nothing to do with American drug addicts.

If the illegals from Mexico and central America KNEW that a attempt to enter into America illegally would result in their immediate imprisonment then they would think twice before breaking our laws
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Well I'm certainly not going to present you with any argument that the US has been failing to enforce immigration laws. I'm the one that has pointed out in every thread this subject has popped up in that decades of unsecured borders (a failure on the part of BOTH parties) has resulted in 15-20 million individuals illegally crossing our borders. And that the reason for that is that its beneficial to big business and both parties pander to big business. Which means we have a systemic problem, not a democratic or republican problem.

However, denying US covert interference for decades in Latin America is irresponsible, and denying that America's drug addiction is responsible for at least 70% of the problem, is quite laughable.
 
clownboy said:
So, in your view the demand preceded and caused the supply? Just how did these addicts become addicted if the supply didn't precede the demand? The drug dealing by these nations precedes the US demand. We are just one more customer, albeit a huge customer. It was THEY who CHOSE to become drug peddlers to the world. There was no outside force involved in that choice.

If the US magically woke up tomorrow with no taste for the drugs they peddle, they would still be in the drug business the day after.
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Albeit with a 70% reduction in business. Lol, you guys will go to any extreme to cover up American responsibility, including making excuses for American drug addiction! :lamo
 
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PoS said:
It appears you didnt read because I said if they are given refugee status then they stay. Try to read past the first sentence next time.
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They aren't being given refugee status

try to post something that is true
 
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