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U.S. Considering Refugee Status for Hondurans

clownboy said:
Do I think the Brits were wise with the Mandate of Palestine? Meh, they were in a period where they were dismantling their empire and that area was a war spoil leftover from WWI and the fall of the Ottoman Empire.
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November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.
 
shrubnose said:
#1:
I didn't criticize the USA
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, I asked a simple question.

#2: I'm not from Europe, I was born and raised in the USA and right now I live in Europe.
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But just because I didn't criticize the USA doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of things that the USA has and hasn't done in the past and is or isn't doing right now that opens up the land of the free and the home of the brave to plenty of justified criticism.

I really don't have time to go down the list, it's a long one.
 
Texmex said:
There is much about the Mexican heritage that you evidently know nothing about. My wife, being Mexican, has enlightened me over the past 40+ years of marriage.

For some reason you cannot see past your racism. Too bad.
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Well, I have no problem with Mexicans - as a matter of fact my neighborhood is 70% Mexican - not to mention I grew up in a neighborhood that was 70% Mexican..

I have no problem with Mexicans, I do have a problem with Illegal aliens tho...

There are plenty of Mexicans that are good people but that doesn't excuse the fact that some jump the border and take Jobs - especially in this economy.

IMO, it has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with jobs...

US citizens should have priority on jobs over illegals (it doesn't matter where they're from) would you agree?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Well, I have no problem with Mexicans - as a matter of fact my neighborhood is 70% Mexican - not to mention I grew up in a neighborhood that was 70% Mexican..

I have no problem with Mexicans, I do have a problem with Illegal aliens tho...

There are plenty of Mexicans that are good people but that doesn't excuse the fact that some jump the border and take Jobs - especially in this economy.

IMO, it has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with jobs...

US citizens should have priority on jobs over illegals (it doesn't matter where they're from) would you agree?
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I would. But I already told you that big business benefits from the cheap labor that results from illegals being here, they aren't interested in secure borders, both parties pander to big business, so this problem won't be remedied.
 
Montecresto said:
November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nations.
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Dude, how about India while you're at it?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Well, I have no problem with Mexicans - as a matter of fact my neighborhood is 70% Mexican - not to mention I grew up in a neighborhood that was 70% Mexican..

I have no problem with Mexicans, I do have a problem with Illegal aliens tho...

There are plenty of Mexicans that are good people but that doesn't excuse the fact that some jump the border and take Jobs - especially in this economy.

IMO, it has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with jobs...

US citizens should have priority on jobs over illegals (it doesn't matter where they're from) would you agree?
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In most of the machine shops I worked in gave the job to whoever was most qualified. I live in a 90% Hispanic populated area. Most all of these men work in construction, one way or another. I actually don't know any construction workers who are not of Hispanic descent.
 
Montecresto said:
November 29, 1947 the United Nations adopted Resolution 181 (also known as the Partition Resolution) that would divide Great Britain’s former Palestinian mandate into Jewish and Arab states in May 1948 when the British mandate was scheduled to end. Under the resolution, the area of religious significance surrounding Jerusalem would remain a corpus separatum under international control administered by the United Nation
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And a few of us know a lot more about what led up to that and happened afterwards but we can't talk about it on this debate politics forum without getting infracted.

In any case nothing that any of us say will change what's going on there.
 
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Montecresto said:
I would. But I already told you that big business benefits from the cheap labor that results from illegals being here, they aren't interested in secure borders, both parties pander to big business, so this problem won't be remedied.
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There is a massive problem here with this "cheap labor" nonsense....

Do you realize that these manufacturing companies use "temporary labor" er "temp agencies?" now guess who owns the temp agencies? ****ING MEXICANS - LEGAL MEXICANS...... You know that those same temp agencies only hire MEXICANS - especially ILLEGAL MEXICANS???

Now tell me how messed up that is???

They don't even print their ads in English - They print them in Spanish, and go as far as to claim in their ad's illegals are welcome..

Yeah that is Illinois for ya..
 
shrubnose said:
And a few of us know a lot more about what led up to that and happened afterwards but we can't talk about it on this debate politics forum without getting infracted.
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Indubitably. I don't want it to be discussed, just acknowledged.
 
How about we just Puerto Rican-ize Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala? Take them as US territories and everyone is happy. We can ship jobs there, their way of life improves, we get the economic benefits and wonderful, cheap real estate for us to retire to.

This will give AZ, TX, and CA a break on the immigration front as now heading north into those States no longer will be the only option for Mexicans coming here illegally.

It's a win/win.
 
Montecresto said:
What's your point Nick?
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Dude was trying to point out the dissolving of the British territories and then you got all specific, so I was merely pointing out you forgot parts of India...

I suppose we need a thread about the Falklands now..
 
Mr.Nick said:
Dude was trying to point out the dissolving of the British territories and then you got all specific, so I was merely pointing out you forgot parts of India...

I suppose we need a thread about the Falklands now..
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Ooh, my apologies.
 
ChezC3 said:
How about we just Puerto Rican-ize Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala? Take them as US territories and everyone is happy. We can ship jobs there, their way of life improves, we get the economic benefits and wonderful, cheap real estate for us to retire to.

This will give AZ, TX, and CA a break on the immigration front as now heading north into those States no longer will be the only option for Mexicans coming here illegally.

It's a win/win.
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Oh no, more imperialism, ;)
 
Texmex said:
In most of the machine shops I worked in gave the job to whoever was most qualified. I live in a 90% Hispanic populated area. Most all of these men work in construction, one way or another. I actually don't know any construction workers who are not of Hispanic descent.
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Because the Mexicans took their jobs.... You're probably using a temp service on top of that - owned by Mexicans.

My mother is a CFO of a manufacturing company and they use a Mexican owned temp service and I give her bull**** over that every time she brings up her work when I see her...... It's wrong and I don't like it, and she agrees but she is a CFO and has nothing to do with any of that, which I don't buy for a second considering I went in "undercover" to investigate weather or not items were being ripped off (the books said stuff was getting "lost" or "ripped off") but when I was working there and told my mother there was not so great working conditions -- all of a sudden there were Gatoraide breaks - so yeah.... I don't buy the whole "I can't stop this illegal madness stuff"

I should just start my own temp agency for US citizens.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Dude was trying to point out the dissolving of the British territories and then you got all specific, so I was merely pointing out you forgot parts of India...

I suppose we need a thread about the Falklands now..
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In general I like the South, but the Falklands are just a little too far South for me.
The weathers kind of nasty there.
 
shrubnose said:
In general I like the South, but the Falklands are just a little too far South for me.
The weathers kind of nasty there.
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The Falklands war was one of the dumbest concepts......... I don't know why either side actually gave a damn about the Island.

The worst part is that people died over that nonsense.

IMO, one of the most unnecessary conflicts in modern times.
 
ChezC3 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/world/americas/administration-weighs-plan-to-move-processing-of-youths-seeking-entry-to-honduras-.html


A bus ride from their home to the consulate and an American tax payer paid trip to America with citizenship and all the fixins..


I'm beyond words...
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I think it's a good idea. The USA has always been a beacon of light for refugees. We took in the Irish, and if not for that, I wouldn't be here today, since my grandfather came here from Ireland. The only time we turned down refugees was when we turned the ship The St. Louis away. If was full of Jewish refugees, who were later slaughtered at Hitler's extermination camps.
 
danarhea said:
I think it's a good idea. The USA has always been a beacon of light for refugees. We took in the Irish, and if not for that, I wouldn't be here today, since my grandfather came here from Ireland. The only time we turned down refugees was when we turned the ship The St. Louis away. If was full of Jewish refugees, who were later slaughtered at Hitler's extermination camps.
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Of course it's a good idea when you don't factor in economy and population, crime, disease etc...
 
danarhea said:
I think it's a good idea. The USA has always been a beacon of light for refugees. We took in the Irish, and if not for that, I wouldn't be here today, since my grandfather came here from Ireland. The only time we turned down refugees was when we turned the ship The St. Louis away. If was full of Jewish refugees, who were later slaughtered at Hitler's extermination camps.
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No, it is a terrible precedence.

Yes, but when did you ever go to them? Never.

That's not a selling point. :2razz:

MS-13 and a government who won't handle their business are now Nazi's too. This cheapens the tragedy that happen.
 
Lakryte said:
Again, you repeat the genetic fallacy. Your excuse is a fallacy, plain as can be.
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bias is bais period end of story.

PS you still have yet to address anything on topic? in fact you haven't even addressed my post to you about this thread at all. your off topic discussion is just that offtopic. have a nice day.

you can continue with your own fallacy.
 
Montecresto said:
Busted an argument? You've had it proven to you by multiple posters that the US is largely responsible for the conditions in Central America. And I admitted nothing. I pointed out that there are no other viable options for these refugees, that the UN is right on this and you'll have to scoot over and make room for these people because they're coming, and are already here.
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Your argument was that it is the violence in their home countries that drives them here. I've shown that to be nonsense, as there are much, much closer alternatives. Further you argue that America is responsible for the current violence in their home states. Again, nonsense. America may have in the past, as in DECADES ago, leveraged the native violence to achieve US goals. We did not create that environment, we used it to our advantage, again DECADES ago.

And no, to the UN and you. Don't have to scoot anywhere, just have to vote every politician that votes yes on this turd out of office forever.
 
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