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U.S. Considering Refugee Status for Hondurans

The only difference here is that Obama's policies are basically inviting illegals to come to the US... Obama's immigration policies are so lax that once illegals get to the border they turn themselves in knowing damn well they will be given an immigration hearing, but will be set free on US soil BEFORE THE HEARING - a hearing they have absolutely NO PLANS to attend.....

At least under Bush illegals were actually being deported...

And Bush's policies were inviting other unwanted problems. That's why 35% of Americans would have supported impeaching him, too!
 
Well I'm glad you're safe. A poster several pages back posted the stats debunking your assertion.

Well just so you know 70+ people were shot over the 4th of July weekend here in Chicago.

Hell last week it was a HUGE story that we didn't have a single homicide in 48 hours, but then of course the city erupted with 6 homicides (I believe) in one night after that "miracle."

No one is going to debunk anything because I read the damn paper everyday and the Chicago Tribune sure in the hell loves to plaster the previous nights violence everyday in the morning - and I suspect they only do it because they're on board with the democrats who want to ban guns and that is the Tribunes way of brainwashing people by showing them how violent Chicago is...

Of course it's all gang ****...
 
And Bush's policies were inviting other unwanted problems. That's why 35% of Americans would have supported impeaching him, too!


I'm hardly a Bush fan but what "unwanted problems" do you speak of?

If it wasn't for 9/11 I think Bush would have been a fine president.
 
Yeah right... and Chicago is how big? and Central America is how big? now maybe you should look at "per capita" rather than murder numbers in a vast region such as the whole of Central America...

Yeah Chicago has that beat...

Furthermore I don't live in the city - I'm not flipping stupid. You think I would put up what that crap? I just happen to be 20 minutes from the city but in an entirely different AND MORE SAFE county...

Let's compare Chicago to San Pedro Sula per capita rates:

Honduras Murder Rate Is Reason Enough to Give Child Migrants Asylum | New Republic

In 2013, Chicago had 15 murders per 100,000 residents, versus 90 in Honduras. In the country's second-largest city, San Pedro Sula, the murder rate is 173 per 100,000 residents—earning the city the title of the world's murder capital.



Here is another showing San Pedro Sula, Honduras has the highest per capita murder rate in the world, with Chicago not even making the cut:

• Worlds' most dangerous cities 2013, by murder rate | Statistic


It's really not even up for debate that there is a city in Honduras that has an extremely larger per capita homicide rate than Chicago. :shrug:
 
I'm hardly a Bush fan but what "unwanted problems" do you speak of?

If it wasn't for 9/11 I think Bush would have been a fine president.

Bush's war on terror produced more enemies.
 
Let's compare Chicago to San Pedro Sula per capita rates:

Honduras Murder Rate Is Reason Enough to Give Child Migrants Asylum | New Republic





Here is another showing San Pedro Sula, Honduras has the highest per capita murder rate in the world, with Chicago not even making the cut:

• Worlds' most dangerous cities 2013, by murder rate | Statistic


It's really not even up for debate that there is a city in Honduras that has an extremely larger per capita homicide rate than Chicago. :shrug:

Yeah and you don't know how Chicago murder rates are recorded statistically..

If a LONE gunman murders 4 people THAT is considered 1 homicide... You know why they changed the way they record statistics? because Chicago has gotten so out of hand that the real statistics would look absolutely ridiculous on paper - NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT TO VISIT HERE.

If you don't believe me look it up..... Hell the murder rates alone will show you that if you look at them year by year..... It's funny how the murder rates all of a sudden were sliced in half starting at the year 2000 (or around there)...

It's so bad in Chicago that people want the damn national guard here, and the idiot aldermans have tried everything from RICO laws to bringing in black ops to stop this nonsense...

Anyone from Chicago would laugh at the alleged "statistics" and how they're recorded....

You do realize in Chicago gangs have fire fights like they do in war zones? they last for hours and they use the same weaponry....
 
Yeah and you don't know how Chicago murder rates are recorded statistically..

If a LONE gunman murders 4 people THAT is considered 1 homicide... You know why they changed the way they record statistics? because Chicago has gotten so out of hand that the real statistics would look absolutely ridiculous on paper - NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT TO VISIT HERE.

If you don't believe me look it up..... Hell the murder rates alone will show you that if you look at them year by year..... It's funny how the murder rates all of a sudden were sliced in half starting at the year 2000 (or around there)...

It's so bad in Chicago that people want the damn national guard here, and the idiot aldermans have tried everything from RICO laws to bringing in black ops to stop this nonsense...

Anyone from Chicago would laugh at the alleged "statistics" and how they're recorded....

You do realize in Chicago gangs have fire fights like they do in war zones? they last for hours and they use the same weaponry....

How long has this been a problem, and why hasn't it been addressed.
 
Bush's war on terror produced more enemies.

What are you talking about? the same people/religions/organizations that hated us 20 or 50 years ago still hate us today --- Hell what the hell do you think 9/11 was about George Bush??? do you think if a democrat was elected 9/11 would have never happened? as if such an attack was just a knee-jerk reaction?

I have news for you - Islamic radicals don't like the United States because our freedoms and our equalities contradict everything the Quran (word of God) allegedly commands.

The difference between republicans and democrats is that when the US is attacked republicans do something about it and democrats do absolutely nothing other than pander to the enemy or sanction the nations that hold them...

IF anything progressives have been more hostile to the United States and patriots than they are against the people who want to cut their dumb heads off.
 
How long has this been a problem, and why hasn't it been addressed.

It's been acknowledged and has been addressed - the problem is Chicago is a massive ghetto full of people who just don't care about anything other than their free government money or their union contracts... Besides the same people you would complain to are the same ones who decided to change the statistics and how homicides (all violent crimes) are recorded.

Chicago is so corrupt issues like these don't even matter....

The only time they even addressed this problem was in the early 90's when they started culling gang bangers to the suburbs with their project born evil gangsta ****... Guess what happened? crime rates in the suburbs skyrocketed.. Now the suburbs have the same gangs that were in the city.... However that is a minor problem now in the burbs - the gangs are nothing more than a bunch of punks...
 
What are you talking about? the same people/religions/organizations that hated us 20 or 50 years ago still hate us today --- Hell what the hell do you think 9/11 was about George Bush??? do you think if a democrat was elected 9/11 would have never happened? as if such an attack was just a knee-jerk reaction?

I have news for you - Islamic radicals don't like the United States because our freedoms and our equalities contradict everything the Quran (word of God) allegedly commands.

The difference between republicans and democrats is that when the US is attacked republicans do something about it and democrats do absolutely nothing other than pander to the enemy or sanction the nations that hold them...

IF anything progressives have been more hostile to the United States and patriots than they are against the people who want to cut their dumb heads off.

Easy bud, I'm not picking on your man. Decades of US policy of supporting militant Islamic groups have given us our problems. I think living in proximity to Chicago has got you cranky.
 
It's been acknowledged and has been addressed - the problem is Chicago is a massive ghetto full of people who just don't care about anything other than their free government money or their union contracts... Besides the same people you would complain to are the same ones who decided to change the statistics and how homicides (all violent crimes) are recorded.

Chicago is so corrupt issues like these don't even matter....

The only time they even addressed this problem was in the early 90's when they started culling gang bangers to the suburbs with their project born evil gangsta ****... Guess what happened? crime rates in the suburbs skyrocketed.. Now the suburbs have the same gangs that were in the city.... However that is a minor problem now in the burbs - the gangs are nothing more than a bunch of punks...

Well it needs to be fixed, its not becoming of America. Anyway, you know the UN is pressuring the US to give refugee status right?
 
Well it needs to be fixed, its not becoming of America. Anyway, you know the UN is pressuring the US to give refugee status right?

I could care LESS about the UN - the UN also wants global redistribution of wealth with their "climate change" nonsense..

I would tell the UN to go blow it out their ass.

What the hell has the UN ever done anyways? They're nothing more than a bunch of hippie clowns that want a one world government..

As it already is the United States is already subsidizing the world - so how dare the UN even have the audacity to stick their nose in our business.

The UN is nothing more than a debate club at a high school in my opinion...
 
Yeah and you don't know how Chicago murder rates are recorded statistically..

If a LONE gunman murders 4 people THAT is considered 1 homicide... You know why they changed the way they record statistics? because Chicago has gotten so out of hand that the real statistics would look absolutely ridiculous on paper - NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT TO VISIT HERE.

If you don't believe me look it up..... Hell the murder rates alone will show you that if you look at them year by year..... It's funny how the murder rates all of a sudden were sliced in half starting at the year 2000 (or around there)...

It's so bad in Chicago that people want the damn national guard here, and the idiot aldermans have tried everything from RICO laws to bringing in black ops to stop this nonsense...

Anyone from Chicago would laugh at the alleged "statistics" and how they're recorded....

You do realize in Chicago gangs have fire fights like they do in war zones? they last for hours and they use the same weaponry....

Ok even if you take the current ( or 'alleged' :)) per capita Chicago rate of 15 and times it by 4 you still only come up with 60 per capita which is still about 127 lower than the per capita rate of San Pedro Sula, who many critics also contend the rate is much higher due to the same reasons as you have for chicago. Now I am not trying to downplay Chicago's violence and their high murder rate but you have to admit that it is still not on par with San Pedro Sula.
 
I could care LESS about the UN - the UN also wants global redistribution of wealth with their "climate change" nonsense..

I would tell the UN to go blow it out their ass.

What the hell has the UN ever done anyways? They're nothing more than a bunch of hippie clowns that want a one world government..

As it already is the United States is already subsidizing the world - so how dare the UN even have the audacity to stick their nose in our business.

The UN is nothing more than a debate club at a high school in my opinion...

Lol, you sure love it when the UN sticks their nose in other countries business.
 
Easy bud, I'm not picking on your man. Decades of US policy of supporting militant Islamic groups have given us our problems. I think living in proximity to Chicago has got you cranky.

Well you're right about one thing dropping munitions to Islamic radicals during the Soviet/Afghan war was not the smartest idea in hindsight, however it did collapse the Soviet Union, considering the Soviets fought that war till they went broke...... On a side note I'm surprised hardcore Marxists haven't taken a note of that - meaning that the socialist model doesn't generate revenue - hence the fall of the USSR.

Back on topic tho, Bush is "not my man" as a matter of fact I think he was stupid for signing the Patriot Act which pretty much turned every government agency into a paramilitary force that wipes their ass with the Bill of Rights and Constitution. However I don't believe that was his intent tho - it was certainly the progressives intent tho - they looked at that document and said: "hey man we can now have our authoritarian socialist nation now and if anyone doesn't like it we can just throw them in prison."
 
Lol, you sure love it when the UN sticks their nose in other countries business.

What? I think of the UN as a bunch of clowns...... Some countries are just dumb enough to listen to what they want...

If anything I laugh at the UN and any nation that even considers listening to what they have to say.

Those clowns are a bunch of idiots that have never seen reality outside of a news article or a TV screen.... They sit there and eat the best food and drink the best booze while the world is going to hell and they are so full of themselves and so arrogant that they actually believe they're smarter than anyone hence they think they should be making decisions...

The UN is a joke..
 
Well you're right about one thing dropping munitions to Islamic radicals during the Soviet/Afghan war was not the smartest idea in hindsight, however it did collapse the Soviet Union, considering the Soviets fought that war till they went broke...... On a side note I'm surprised hardcore Marxists haven't taken a note of that - meaning that the socialist model doesn't generate revenue - hence the fall of the USSR.

Back on topic tho, Bush is "not my man" as a matter of fact I think he was stupid for signing the Patriot Act which pretty much turned every government agency into a paramilitary force that wipes their ass with the Bill of Rights and Constitution. However I don't believe that was his intent tho - it was certainly the progressives intent tho - they looked at that document and said: "hey man we can now have our authoritarian socialist nation now and if anyone doesn't like it we can just throw them in prison."

Concerning the Patriot Act. There were two men initially opposed to it, that could have prevented it, Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. Coincidentally both of their offices got anthraxed. That crime was never solved. The anthrax however was traced to a US military installation.
 
What? I think of the UN as a bunch of clowns...... Some countries are just dumb enough to listen to what they want...

If anything I laugh at the UN and any nation that even considers listening to what they have to say.

Those clowns are a bunch of idiots that have never seen reality outside of a news article or a TV screen.... They sit there and eat the best food and drink the best booze while the world is going to hell and they are so full of themselves and so arrogant that they actually believe they're smarter than anyone hence they think they should be making decisions...

The UN is a joke..

Ok, if that means you didn't support UN resolutions on Iraq and Libya then you are consistent.
 
Concerning the Patriot Act. There were two men initially opposed to it, that could have prevented it, Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. Coincidentally both of their offices got anthraxed. That crime was never solved. The anthrax however was traced to a US military installation.

There were more than just two... Yeah don't forget Ron Paul and several others.
 
Ok, if that means you didn't support UN resolutions on Iraq and Libya then you are consistent.

The UN never crosses my mind - what the hell would they do if they didn't support Iraq?

Attack the US? with what and by whom?

What exactly can the UN do to the US?

Oh yeah, nothing.

The UN is nothing more than a bunch of children playing "house."
 
I dont' have to refute anything that is a history if bias in it. why don't you actually address the thread instead i haven't seen you make one on topic post yet.
Again, you repeat the genetic fallacy. Your excuse is a fallacy, plain as can be.
 
It's difficult to debate a hypocritical poster. You reject facts that don't meet your "smell test" and then demand others accept your own when they apply the same standard. Something to think about.
What facts did I reject? And by all means explain to me how the facts in the article I gave are incorrect. So far nobody has done that.
 
Illegal aliens need to stop being pandered to....... These progressives care more about illegal aliens from Mexico or Central America than they do the Vets, the homeless and the jobless US citizens....

Deport these people - I don't even care, but the argument will be: " It's too expensive" or "it's impossible" considering Obama wants 3 billion dollars to buy hotels that would cost any US citizen 200 a night to stay in.... So I don't buy those excuses.

This border nonsense is bull**** - send these illegals back to their own countries.... Let them "change" their own countries - which is highly ironic considering that idiot Obama is all about "change" yet he takes in a bunch of people who run away from their countries? if he's so damn fond of change then he would send these illegals back to change THEIR countries...

However we all damn well know exactly why these progressive con-men in congress want them here.... It's not for sympathy or apathy - it's for democrat votes.

The worst part is that progressives cant even see the real elitists...... Those progressive fools on capitol hill who think they're some sort of ****ing royalty, and who think they're smarter than us - that's why they talk AT US not TO US..

These democrats damn well know these illegals that are jumping the border are usually not the smartest individuals and will do as they're told especially for a few bucks.. Not to mention the only party an illegal can vote for is the democrat party because they're the only ones who will tolerate illegals voting.

If anyone thinks that is bull**** - I have observed it for the last 20 years and at one point in my life actually supported it..
 
Yeah right... and Chicago is how big? and Central America is how big? now maybe you should look at "per capita" rather than murder numbers in a vast region such as the whole of Central America...

Yeah Chicago has that beat...

Furthermore I don't live in the city - I'm not flipping stupid. You think I would put up what that crap? I just happen to be 20 minutes from the city but in an entirely different AND MORE SAFE county...

Hey now...

You're sounding very Naperville-ish...;)
 
There were more than just two... Yeah don't forget Ron Paul and several others.

Ron Paul was never in a position to prevent it from even coming up for a vote. Only two men were. They both had their offices anthraxed, and you didn't speak to that?!? But yes Ron Paul and several others opposed the Patriot Act, myself included.
 
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