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U.S. Considering Refugee Status for Hondurans

ludin said:
we didn't do anything except for laxing our immigration laws to the point that they think they can come here and not be deported.
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Perhaps you should actually read the article Montecresto posted before you make claims like that. You might actually learn something.
 
shrubnose said:
Exactly what makes the USA better than any South American country?

Fill us in.
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For one thing the language of the countries. They need to remain where their native language is spoken. That in and of itself makes the South American countries a better place to send those people. Why don't you volunteer to take them in your European country of retreat? eh?
 
Lakryte said:
Perhaps you should actually read the article Montecresto posted before you make claims like that. You might actually learn something.
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the huffpo? nothing more than a liberal rag right up there with the daily kos as far as reliability goes.

i know plenty the US has done nothing to incurr these people to cross the border except to not enforce our immigration laws.
in fact this administration has given them more reason to cross with the president saying he won't deport any minor brought here against their will.

those are facts.
 
ludin said:
the huffpo? nothing more than a liberal rag right up there with the daily kos as far as reliability goes.

i know plenty the US has done nothing to incurr these people to cross the border except to not enforce our immigration laws.
in fact this administration has given them more reason to cross with the president saying he won't deport any minor brought here against their will.

those are facts.
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What in the article is false? Please be specific. You are committing the genetic fallacy.
 
shrubnose said:
I'm not.

International laws dictate how refugees must be treated.

Are you suggesting that the USA ignore those laws?

Fill us in.
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Why don't you share those laws with us? Fill us in.
 
Montecresto said:
Blame a crisis of US making on someone else as you will, you're in good company here with that.


The 57,000 children from Central America who have streamed across the U.S.-Mexico border this year were driven in large part by the United States itself. While Democrats and Republicans have been pointing fingers at each other, in reality the current wave of migration from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras has its roots in six decades of U.S. policies carried out by members of both parties.

Since the 1950s, the U.S. has sown violence and instability in Central America. Decades of Cold War gamesmanship, together with the relentless global war on drugs, have left a legacy of chaos and brutality in these countries. In many parts of the region, civil society has given way to lawlessness. It's these conditions the children are escaping.

Here's How The U.S. Sparked A Refugee Crisis On The Border, In 8 Simple Steps
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I bet if you asked every last one of those people that crossed the border about this, not one would know what you are talking about.
 
ludin said:
the huffpo? nothing more than a liberal rag right up there with the daily kos as far as reliability goes.

i know plenty the US has done nothing to incurr these people to cross the border except to not enforce our immigration laws.
in fact this administration has given them more reason to cross with the president saying he won't deport any minor brought here against their will.

those are facts.
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Actually, if you had opened the link you'd have seen that its not a Huffpo article, they just picked it up, you also would have seen that its not a partisan piece, its criticle of both democratic and republican administrations thru the years.
 
ocean515 said:
Your slip is not just showing, it's around your ankles....:peace
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You too are denying the CIA's role in overthrowing left leaning democratic governments in Central America. You guys are something. Here's why there's one party with two wings. Replacing left leaning democracies with right wing dictatorships was a long running US policy through both democratic and republican administrations. Damn it man, if we could ever get the partisan out of the damn way, we might just fix Washington.
 
I could be wrong, but don't most if not all first world nations recognize the UN Refugee Agency as the authority for declaring such status on peoples displaced from their home country due to civil war or some other type of humanitarian disaster?

I don't believe Canada has ever unilaterally made such a declaration.

Good luck with this brilliant idea.
 
Mason66 said:
I bet if you asked every last one of those people that crossed the border about this, not one would know what you are talking about.
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China. Like to respond to the article. Think these children would be aware of US intrigue in their country decades before they were born?
 
shrubnose said:
No, in other words, I'm not going to do anyone's work for them.

I'm retired, look that up in your dictionary.
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You don't seem to trust dictionaries, or you make up your own definitions. Since you've received evidence that you don' t know the definition of refugee, you better stay retired and sit out this topic.
 
Montecresto said:
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China. Like to respond to the article. Think these children would be aware of US intrigue in their country decades before they were born?
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Your point is that these people are coming to the US because of things the US has done.

These people know nothing about any of that stuff, other than the fact that they think the streets are paved with gold in the US.

They are not running from anything, they are running to the good life.
 
Mason66 said:
Your point is that these people are coming to the US because of things the US has done.

These people know nothing about any of that stuff, other than the fact that they think the streets are paved with gold in the US.

They are not running from anything, they are running to the good life.
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Did you just say that. Did you just say that with a straight face. They aren't running from anything!! Damn I'm glad your not in charge of anything. Good gawd, how will we ever repair anything.

http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTLAC/Resources/FINAL_VOLUME_I_ENGLISH_CrimeAndViolence.pdf
 
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Montecresto said:
Did you just say that. Did you just say that with a straight face. They aren't running from anything!! Damn I'm glad your not in charge of anything. Good gawd, how will we ever repair anything.
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What, in your view, might need to be repaired?
 
AlabamaPaul said:
What, in your view, might need to be repaired?
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I know your just jumping in this one, read all my posts in this thread and if the answer to that still escapes you let me know.
 
Montecresto said:
I know your just jumping in this one, read all my posts in this thread and if the answer to that still escapes you let me know.
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Why not just answer a simple question?
 
Montecresto said:
Again? No thanks, I've been doing that for seven pages, look for yourself if you really care.
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Actually, I don't care , and obviously neither do you, if you don't care to repeat a point. I'm not going to read seven pages to understand your point of view...
 
CanadaJohn said:
I could be wrong, but don't most if not all first world nations recognize the UN Refugee Agency as the authority for declaring such status on peoples displaced from their home country due to civil war or some other type of humanitarian disaster?
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Nope. Every nation decides how to handle refugees and asylum. UNHCR can coordinate, fund etc. They do not require nations to accept refugees, they do not supplant existing legal structures, they do not decide whether or not someone will be granted asylum by another nation.

The decision to grant asylum is up to a US court. That is the current hold-up. The courts are overwhelmed, and the kids often have insufficient legal representation at those courts, which causes further delays.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Actually, I don't care , and obviously neither do you, if you don't care to repeat a point. I'm not going to read seven pages to understand your point of view...
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I think I've got a dozen or more posts in this thread articulating my position. I knew you didn't care from the beginning. That's why I didn't take the effort that you wouldn't.
 
Montecresto said:
I think I've got a dozen or more posts in this thread articulating my position. I knew you didn't care from the beginning. That's why I didn't take the effort that you wouldn't.
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Yet, you decline to rearticulate it. Is there a reason why?
 
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