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Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

How many drug cartels are there in England?

So it's not correlation now? Now that the data doesn't swing your way, there are other variables to consider? You didn't much think so before, so why the 180? Doing Clinton proud with this waffeling.
 
How is that justice? Just because you throw around words doesn't mean that you've used them correctly. You ain't god, and government force is limited. Or is that a lesson conservatives have forgotten?

You seem to think these animals are victims. They are not. They volunteer for said punishment by their actions.
 
When there is an execution, you get a dead body. When there is an abortion, you get a dead baby. Everything else is just details.
 
You seem to think these animals are victims. They are not. They volunteer for said punishment by their actions.

No, these humans do not. We use government force to enact punishment, and government is limited. Jail and justice are for society, the protections of our rights, it's not a system for revenge. Life in prison without parole serves society well, the death penalty adds nothing but waste of time, energy, resource, and money. It's completely illogical.
 
Oh poor dirtbag....His victims died much more cruelly...I hope his death was painful.

Our justice system is not for revenge.
 
No, these humans do not. We use government force to enact punishment, and government is limited. Jail and justice are for society, the protections of our rights, it's not a system for revenge. Life in prison without parole serves society well, the death penalty adds nothing but waste of time, energy, resource, and money. It's completely illogical.
Tgey know the punishment, they committed the crime. What is that but volunteering?
 
Tgey know the punishment, they committed the crime. What is that but volunteering?

Taking a risk, which is different from volunteering.
 
Those are taken care of with prison at base. Revenge is not part of justice. So what benefit?

It's not about revenge it's about exacting a price for the worst human violence. Just as some people are sentenced to 5 years, and some to 50 years, some exact the highest price for their actions. The benefits are as I already described.
 
Read more @: Arizona Inmate Joseph Wood Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona - ABC News

Another botched execution. 2 hours to die. That is cruel and unusual. The death penalty needs to go. [/FONT][/COLOR]

This story pisses me off....

If they're going to execute people they may as well just save the taxpayers the money and give these guys a lethal does of high grade heroin - that will do it - no suffering - they nod off and die. They wouldn't even need to strap them down - they'd be out in 10 seconds flat.

Hell, at least give the condemned the option of going out that way.

That's what they basically do in countries where self-assisted suicides are legal - they give them mass qualities of synthetic heroin... There is no struggle or no fighting for life..

What they do in these state sanctioned executions is paralyze the condemned and start pumping them with the "right dosages" of chemicals no one takes for recreational use - so how the hell do these quacks know if they suffer or not?

I suppose the philosophical question is if some people want them to suffer or die without suffering - I have an opinion on that but that doesn't matter. I am merely speaking here about what is effective and what is not as far as "killing" someone quick (I don't want to sound morbid either).
 
It's unlikely that he suffered because these drugs were powerful enough to render him insensible. They were just not likely to completely suppress his respirations.

Nevertheless, I agree that the death penalty should be abolished. Government officials make too many stupid mistakes to have authority over life and death.

How do you know?

It's not exactly like anyone who has ever been given those drugs have ever lived to tell about it, as a matter of fact on the contrary. The same drugs used to knock the guys out are typical drugs they uses for anesthesia when they're knocking patience out for surgery..... My dad had to have surgery when he was younger and in the military and he felt the entire operation while being paralyzed..... He said it was the most painful experience he as ever felt...

You want to kill these guys? overdose them on narcotics instead of $10,000 worth of drugs these quacks have no idea other than theory what they will do. Or at the very minimum give them 10x the suggested lethal dose to insure they're dead instead of calculating how much they may or may not need.

I mean back in the day when they used to hang people they would calculate how much rope they would need to hang someone - yet sometimes they would screw up and when they dropped the condemned their heads would pop off, which led to the so called "long drop."
 
It's not about revenge it's about exacting a price for the worst human violence. Just as some people are sentenced to 5 years, and some to 50 years, some exact the highest price for their actions. The benefits are as I already described.

Yet this "highest price" is paid by all of us. It's way more expensive to execute a prisoner than to house them for life. The DP consumes innocent life as well without providing any aggregate benefit. Any "benefit" for the prison population and employees can be solved without State sponsored killing.

So what is the point, really? Why use an archaic and flawed system that is no longer necessary? Life in prison without parole is just as good as death, with the added benefit that one falsely imprisoned can stay alive long enough to perhaps see their conviction overturned.
 
The drug companies, in keeping with their anti-death penalty stance, have made it virtually impossible for the prisons to get the required dosages of the tested, effective drugs used in execution.

Their plan, apparently, is to torture the hapless criminals by forcing us to use substandard, ineffective and untested drugs on those poor who are sentenced to death..until the outrage is so severe we just stop the death penalty.


Pfft! HAHAHAHAHAHA

So not going to happen.
 
Yet this "highest price" is paid by all of us. It's way more expensive to execute a prisoner than to house them for life. The DP consumes innocent life as well without providing any aggregate benefit. Any "benefit" for the prison population and employees can be solved without State sponsored killing.

So what is the point, really? Why use an archaic and flawed system that is no longer necessary? Life in prison without parole is just as good as death, with the added benefit that one falsely imprisoned can stay alive long enough to perhaps see their conviction overturned.

Hell, if you REALLY want to punish someone just lock em up in solitary forever.

No TV, no books, nothing.

They will.absolutely go barking mad.

Which is probably a better deterrent than a clean ending.

Maybe make a week on that block mandatory for first timers. Include it in the scared straight program.

"Yes. If you commit crimes heinous enough we will put you in a cell and leave you there forever. With high pressure sprayers keep you and the cell clean and crappy food thrown through a little door. So you can spend the rest of your sanity thinking about what you did."
 
It'll only "create empathy" for those already pre-disposed to have empathy for him. The rest of us are like, "meh". We view him as being on death row due to his own actions. Personal responsibility and all that other stuff that I know is complete gobbledygook to some.

He is on death row for his own actions, but he is still protected by the constitution. When I saw Gaddafi dragged through the streets, I was not surprised that that is how his life ended. He was beaten to death, and such an end for him was excepted and easily foreseeable. However, I felt kind of disgusted watching it, regardless if I thought his actions brought him there. I cannot watch a person die like that and feel happiness or cause for celebration... :shrug:
 
I oppose the death penalty in most cases, and I oppose abortion, in most cases. I am practical and pragmatic person. I try to see the whole issue and the unintended ramifications of being hardheaded on issues that involve areas of grey. I am not an emotional decision maker. I think abortion laws and the death penalty should be applied to society practically and in a utilitarianism manner.

I prefer pro death penalty arguments like, "the death penalty should applied to protect society from truly sociopathic individuals who cannot be rehabilitated, and will most likely cause society danger by influencing others from within the prison system."

I prefer an argument like that as opposed to the emotional, erratic arguments revolving around the victim's family and their emotional state and knee jerk reactions.


So, it's exactly as I said. You support the “right” to kill an innocent child, even though you rather meaninglessly claim to “morally oppose abortion on a personal level”; but you're opposed to putting the very worst criminal to death. You value the murderer's life more than that of the innocent child.
 
Sociopathy is a mental illness. I don't think you seem sociopathic. Furthermore, not every person in prison is sociopathic. You are simply being emotional and putting words in my mouth.

Naw, you just said I had the exact same sociopathic qualities as a murderer, and not just any murderer, a capital murderer. Personally, I'd think I'd be a lot more sympathetic to the killer if I was just like him. If I'm sociopathic as you claim, why would I be bothered at all by his actions?
 
The drug companies, in keeping with their anti-death penalty stance, have made it virtually impossible for the prisons to get the required dosages of the tested, effective drugs used in execution.

Their plan, apparently, is to torture the hapless criminals by forcing us to use substandard, ineffective and untested drugs on those poor who are sentenced to death..until the outrage is so severe we just stop the death penalty.


Pfft! HAHAHAHAHAHA

So not going to happen.

I have no problem with that. I'm against the death penalty, but even if you are for it you should support companies standing for what they believe in and doing what they think is right. If they know the state will use their products to kill people and they would very much not like to be responsible for such a thing it is best they not do business with the state. If they instead do business with the state it is very hard to argue their actions did not assist in the state killing someone.

If they stay out of it and the state still finds drugs to kill people with the drug companies are not in any sort of way responsible.
 
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The guy was a sick ****, and perhaps mentally ill. I make no excuses for him. I think what he did was disgusting. I know a lot of women who have dealt with domestic violence. I have seen domestic violence, and I constantly see stupid ass people saying that those women are dumb for not getting out. It's hard to get it. It's dangerous to get out. Unfortunately not many people try to actually empathize with the victims of domestic violence or rape for that matter. A lot of people don't actually understand DV, and I dearly wish they did.

They guy that killed that family in Texas also had a history of DV.

Instead of trying to educate ourselves as a society on DV and memorializing the victims in a positive way, we are more concerned about the perpetuators.


Me too. That asshole felt no remorse and neither do I for him. He shot two people in cold blood after what sounds like repeated domestic offenses against her and we are supposed to feel bad his execution was prolonged? As if!


Arizona execution takes nearly 2 hours - The Washington Post
 
I think it's destructive to us as a society when we engage in acts of vengeance like this and revel in the suffering of another human being. While we are no doubt better off without this human amongst us it's quite a different matter to volunteer your conscience to become a part of the faceless mob seeking this kind of pseudo justice and enjoying his torture.
 
I think it's destructive to us as a society when we engage in acts of vengeance like this and revel in the suffering of another human being. While we are no doubt better off without this human amongst us it's quite a different matter to volunteer your conscience to become a part of the faceless mob seeking this kind of pseudo justice and enjoying his torture.

It would be wrong to knowingly torture anyone, even those who many people would acknowledge to be deserving, because it makes us (as a society) no better than those who are tortured and killed. However, I do not think in this case, torture was the goal. It was an execution and the point of executing someone using lethal injection is to make it as humane as possible. Even though it took him this long to die, he was very likely unconscious during the process. Barbiturates typically sedate and would nearly eliminate any potential suffering.
 
Dead bodies don't make decisions. Selfish desires vs utility.

I am an organ donor,... and we make the decision prior to death. A truly basic concept.
 
No, these humans do not. We use government force to enact punishment, and government is limited. Jail and justice are for society, the protections of our rights, it's not a system for revenge. Life in prison without parole serves society well, the death penalty adds nothing but waste of time, energy, resource, and money. It's completely illogical.

Only execution ensures they will never kill again.
 
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