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Inmate Dies 2 Hours After Execution in Arizona

Not half as ****ed up that you would actually post it.

This man deserved to die. I have sympathy for his victims and their families. You don't.

You'll also notice I didn't cheer about how he died. But I have no sympathy for him.

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The bolded statement made my jaw drop. That is categorically ridiculous, and beyond stunning that you would accuse Rob of having no sympathy for the victims and their families simply because he is personally against the death penalty. Why on earth would you issue such a disingenuous and obviously untrue allegation against someone that you do not even know?

Personally, I like you, but what you are doing here makes absolutely zero sense to me.
 
Fortunately the founding fathers weren't so stupid as to make the constitution one giant appeal to emotion and instead focused on the rational decision making of law.

You know, considering Obama's actions as "President", how much liberals have supported them and how little they have held him accountable to the constitution, your statement would incredibly hilarious if it was so disturbingly, heartbreakingly hypocritical.
 
Those two people don't matter anymore. They are gone. They had earthly justice, and the killer is dead.

But there still remains the issue of death penalty, and if these type of reactions to experimental execution drugs will be the norm. And if it becomes the norm, is that acceptable?



It doesn't?

I'll bet it mattered to the 2 people he killed, and their friends, and their families.
 
Those two people don't matter anymore. They are gone. They had earthly justice, and the killer is dead.

But there still remains the issue of death penalty, and if these type of reactions to experimental execution drugs will be the norm. And if it becomes the norm, is that acceptable?

And people wonder why we're saying the victim's don't matter to you. That part about "earthly" justice is a little creepy, though. Seems like you're saying that their death was earthly justice. Do you know something about the victims the rest of us don't?
 
Fortunately the founding fathers weren't so stupid as to make the constitution one giant appeal to emotion and instead focused on the rational decision making of law.

Oh, almost forgot. Of course I used an emotional appeal. I was speaking to a leftist. Everyone knows that logic and reason are never considered by the left.
 
The same could be said of you. However, many lifers aren't really pro life because they value life, think all life is equal and no life should ever be dehumanized, etc. They are anti abortion because they think women should pay a price for having sex, that there should be consequences for women and those consequences keep society in balance through as a means of social engineering, they support patriarchy, traditionalism, family values, etc., so in the case of death penalty, you feel morally justified in arguing for death of a person and even for human suffering. It coincides with the anti abortion mentality of punishment and consequence.

Other people, like me, support legal access to abortion, but morally oppose abortion on a personal level. I am also opposed to the death penalty. I am a pragmatic, analytical person when it comes it my personal ethics.

So, it's exactly as I said. You support the “right” to kill an innocent child, even though you rather meaninglessly claim to “morally oppose abortion on a personal level”; but you're opposed to putting the very worst criminal to death. You value the murderer's life more than that of the innocent child.
 
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You're being emotional. You admit to being an emotional person, but come on. I didn't call you a murderer.


Cry me a river. I've just been told I am the same as the murderer. Top that.
 
You're being emotional. You admit to being an emotional person, but come on. I didn't call you a murderer.

Naw, you just said I had the exact same sociopathic qualities as a murderer, and not just any murderer, a capital murderer. Personally, I'd think I'd be a lot more sympathetic to the killer if I was just like him. If I'm sociopathic as you claim, why would I be bothered at all by his actions?
 
Umm, they got justice because their murderer was tried, convicted, and killed.

We can't do anything else for the victims or change the past. I am not saying their lives didn't matter, or the murder didn't matter.

I am trying to point out the going concern about the future of lethal injection and experimental drugs, and pondering the future of the death penalty. That is the conversation that matters to us as a nation.






[QUOTW=X Factor;1063561305]And people wonder why we're saying the victim's don't matter to you. That part about "earthly" justice is a little creepy, though. Seems like you're saying that their death was earthly justice. Do you know something about the victims the rest of us don't?[/QUOTE]
 
Umm, they got justice because their murderer was tried, convicted, and killed.

We can't do anything else for the victims or change the past. I am not saying their lives didn't matter, or the murder didn't matter.

I am trying to point out the going concern about the future of lethal injection and experimental drugs, and pondering the future of the death penalty. That is the conversation that matters to us as a nation.




And people wonder why we're saying the victim's don't matter to you. That part about "earthly" justice is a little creepy, though. Seems like you're saying that their death was earthly justice. Do you know something about the victims the rest of us don't?

It's odd that you call the murderer's death justice, when, if it were up to you, it wouldn't ever have happened.
 
Reportedly he was conscious: "he was apparently left conscious long after the drugs were administered."

Damn I just can't find it in me to give a **** about his suffering. Hell, more states should use that drug recipe.
 
I wonder what the 8th Amendment has to say about it? Is human experimentation on someone fails, then lead to slowly killing someone isnt cruel and unusual?

For people like you, holding anyone accountable, aside conservatives, Christians and police offices is cruel and unusual.
 
I wonder what the 8th Amendment has to say about it? Is human experimentation on someone fails, then lead to slowly killing someone isnt cruel and unusual?

Well give it a chance. After enough times with the same result, it won't be so unusual any more.
 
The states just cant get good drugs these days.
 
lets see...scumbag with a history of domestic battery shoots and kills first her father, then his girlfriend. He is dead now.

The end.

Who brought s'mores?
 
wow, that's cheap

1000 bullets @65 dollars
1000 Primers @ 26 dollars
3500 grains of powder (half pound)=9 dollars

100 dollars for 1000 rounds
1 dollar for ten rounds

10C a round

For some applications I cast my own bullets from wheel weight lead. I own an auto repair shop and help other shops with technical issues so it's free to me. Just picked up 150 pounds yesterday from a local tire shop, originally the deal was $25 but he had a truck there they had been throwing parts at and still couldn't get it right. I pointed him to the problem in a couple of minutes and lead became free. WWL is ideal for 45 and 380 and for light 9mm loads. We also cast 30 cal for 30 30 and 300 blackout and stamp out gas checks from aluminum cans. The 9mm cost me $52/ 1000, 380 is less than that. Just finished a run of 45 for a guy who uses it for his backup when hog hunting (he hunts with a suppressed 30 30 and uses our subsonic 240 grain cast bullets) that are built to penetrate. They contain a steel ball that we get from used hub bearings. The ball is about .360 inch. You drop the ball in the bottom of the mold and attach a strong magnet to the bottom of the mold. The ball stays at the tip, without the magnet it would float in the molten lead. The bullet is .452 inch, so the steel never contacts the barrel. Penetration is outstanding. The ball goes thru a 6x6 wooden post. The 240 grain 30 cal is barely stable at 30 30 twist rate and tumbles on impact. Although it doesn't expand (solid cast subsonic) the tumbling gives it an effective expansion rate of 700%.
 
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lets see...scumbag with a history of domestic battery shoots and kills first her father, then his girlfriend. He is dead now.

The end.

Who brought s'mores?

I'm not interested in s'mores unless I can heat them off his smouldering remains. :twisted:
 
I'd say something about evolving but being from the right I'd have to put up with the whole not believing in evolution bit.

How about a quote from one of the founding fathers eh?

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."​

The murder and violent crime rates of today do not argue well for us having progressed of the human mind.
 
for over 60 years the UK where I reside has had no death penalty.. a Matter of politicians concience, yet without this ultimate deterrent violent crime especially murder has seen a marked increase. And of course the citizens pay around $150000 a year to keep the perps in jail all this time. Without doubt the most effective manner of execution was the guillotene. Quick messy but effective. The second tried and trusted method almost without doubt was the drop. With a skilled practitioner the victim dies instantly and without the added trauma of the preparation required by these more modern scientific "humane" methods I think in his memoirs Albert Pierpointe the UK executioner who hanged most of the Nazi war criminals, from leaving the death cell to the scaffold and finally the drop would take no more that 10 seconds. Lethal Injection, Cruel and unusual I certainly think so. leave science out of it dont fix whats not broken bring back hanging.
 
Those two people don't matter anymore. They are gone. They had earthly justice, and the killer is dead.

But there still remains the issue of death penalty, and if these type of reactions to experimental execution drugs will be the norm. And if it becomes the norm, is that acceptable?

Those 2 people actually do matter still. We can't discount their existences, or the fact that someone else ended their lives. They really had no justice.

If you're asking me do I think experimental execution drugs should be the norm, the answer is absolutely not. I believe in the death penalty in a lot of situations (heinous crime, proven guilt, etc.) but I also support a method that would provide a quick death. I'm not a vigilante and think the death is good enough. I have no desire for cruelty.
 
I am glad he did not die a quiet peaceful death. Unfortunately he probably did not realize he was squirming like a worm just before you stick a fishing hook in to one. If we are going to kill the killers why should it be "humane". If someone tells you "I am going to blow you brains out" that is a humane death as there is no suffering. As the victims often wait in terror before the killer kills then the killer should experience the same trauma. Waiting a decade or more to execute someone is the stupidest single part of our penal system. How many appeal t do the victims get other than begging for the murderers not to shoot?
 
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